If they refuse to let in anyone who attends a demonstration they'll soon have empty stands.
The club does not have the technology or time to carry out a sophisticated face-recognition process even if it wanted to. And the protesters have not done anything wrong. I suspect if it was the club filming then it was in case anything kicked off.
I can see a situation where they clear the car park behind the West Stand at, say, 5.15 citing safety issues. As it is private land then they could try this, although it seems unlikely the police would get involved in that unless it started getting nasty ... and you suspect some of the current stewards would like nothing more than that.
The police are there at the moment to prevent breach of the peace and left the last 2 home games by 6. They are more than happy to let the protest continue in the car park provided there's no trouble.
If the club want to cause problems by forcing everyone out of the car park, then we all go into Harvey Gardens, where the road would be blocked causing issues for the police and local residents. The police would not look kindly on this, hence it would cause problems, with possibly more resources required and unnecessary issues.
I'm sure the safety officer at the club and the local police liaison officer have discussed this already. A common sense approach is required from all parties.
The guys on here and on social media who were geeing up the fans are clever enough not to break the law themselves, and as night follows day i was wondering who the person would be, who would throw the first bottle or smoke bomb. Well the person who did on Saturday, will get a knock on the door in the next couple of months like the fans at Palace did recently. will that help or hinder ? Strangely in the world of social media, it will garner some support, but will lose, rank and file CAFC supporters who don't want to be associated with wanton vandalism.
Having been at every protest, and also stated on here, use you brain not your brawn, The jury is out on whether that was a own goal, or there's no such thing as bad publicity.
The Daily Mail and Express may go with the former.
PS. Looked like a cracked window to me. the smash noise was the bottle, with the smoke it was hard to tell at the time,
Why wont you let us take photos during our day out Katrien? Most restaurants allow groups to take photos of eachother..
They do but they would probably ask you to stop if you were taking photos of their staff including security. They would, probably, also ask you to stop taking photos of events that painted them in a bad light.
I'm not supporting those running the club but it is a little unrealistic for us to expect them to lie down and take it when we are looking to cause them as much trouble as possible. Even if KM isn't arrogant and belligerent (and her behaviour makes me think she is both) she was always going to try to combat the protests.
As has been said the protests need to be 100% legal and acceptable to normal people. but if they remain so then they will continue to gather support.
In truth I think I'd be a little disappointed if the club didn't put up some kind of fight!
at the protest I saw the police and a video camera man on the first level of stairs so I went over, stood under the, shouted smile please and snapped them with my phone, their reaction was to smile, no problem at all, so it probably is more club originated than a police thing
How can I carry a banner, a camera, a flask AND a blanket ?
Use a extra large satchel Maybe we could have some special "Roland Out" limited edition ones made up. Handy to put your Banner,Flask,Camera,Blankets,Flares,programmes in.
Unless there are signs prohibiting photography,like you get at concerts,museums,etc.they cant stop it,what about the loads of fans taking photos of the players on the pitch,what about the players happily posing for selfies with the fans,tell the jobsworths to piss off.
Heavy-handed they may be but literally within their rights.
http://www.cafc.co.uk/tickets/ground-regulations.aspx --- Notice: Entry to the Ground is expressly subject to acceptance by the visitor of these Ground Regulations and the rules and regulations of FIFA, UEFA, The Football Association, The Premier League and The Football League in respect of the relevant competition.
... 16 Mobile telephones are permitted within the Ground, provided that they are used for personal and private use only and provided that no audio, visual or audio-visual material captured by a mobile telephone may be published or otherwise made available to any third parties including, without limitation, via social networking sites.
... 19 Save as set out in paragraph 16 above, no person (other than a person who holds an appropriate licence) may bring into the Ground or use within the Ground any equipment, which is capable of recording or transmitting (by digital or other means) any audio, visual or audio-visual material or any information or data in relation to the Match or the Ground. Copyright, database rights and any other intellectual property rights in any unauthorised recording or transmission is assigned (by way of present assignment of future rights to the Club and The Football League. You further agree (if and whenever required to do so by the Club and/or The Football League) to promptly execute all instruments and do all things necessary to vest the right, title and interest in such rights to the Club and The Football League absolutely and with full title guarantee.
Simple solution, get under 18s who cannot legally enter into a contract (and therefore not bound by those T&Cs) to take any photos. Will be doubly effective as stewards will be more hesitant about man handling under 18s (don't think the clubs really wants headlines about how bully stewards beat up kids and stole their phones)
Fond, as I am, of a good conspiracy theory (or even a poor one), you'd almost think the rules on banners and picture taking had been put in place with an expectation of fan unrest.
Of course, that couldn't be the case....
I'm sure they are regulations of long-standing and, more importantly, I am confident that our current "leadership" are not that astute.
Shocking. How can it be an offence to take pictures?
It's not; it's private property so the club have the right to turf out whoever they want, unfortunately they seem to think it's in their best interests to turf out the fans.
As I say, just underlines what a sad state of affairs this is. What on earth is wrong with taking photos? An hour later there was about 2,000 people looking at the same thing..
The club really are deluded if they feel a photo on twitter of the barricade was going to make any difference.
There is a specific restriction against photography in the ground regs, particularly if it finds its way to social media (although enforcement would be tricky). In theory you can get a stadium ban for it, but would be way ott.
Does anyone really think the club is committed to the Target 20k deal, given what it became?
I like the idea of coordinated flash photography btw.
I thought the bods being asked to stop taking snaps was because the security had to keep the stairwells clear to enable fans to leave. Maybe that's quite a naive view now. But the manner they removed the banner (hey that rhymes) was something out of a police state and it seemed like everyone was nervous about protesting. I think we all need to grow some balls here and support our fellow protesters if this occurs again. I agree that everyone should take a banner to the next match and drape them everywhere and defend our right to do so.
The regs regarding videos and photos are there to protect media rights so I am sure the club might find it difficult to use them in the car park ie outside the "Ground".
Shocking. How can it be an offence to take pictures?
It's not; it's private property so the club have the right to turf out whoever they want, unfortunately they seem to think it's in their best interests to turf out the fans.
As I say, just underlines what a sad state of affairs this is. What on earth is wrong with taking photos? An hour later there was about 2,000 people looking at the same thing..
The club really are deluded if they feel a photo on twitter of the barricade was going to make any difference.
There is a specific restriction against photography in the ground regs, particularly if it finds its way to social media (although enforcement would be tricky). In theory you can get a stadium ban for it, but would be way ott.
Does anyone really think the club is committed to the Target 20k deal, given what it became?
I like the idea of coordinated flash photography btw.
It just seems like one of the rules that's there to keep the Football League and The Press happy and is really never going to be enforced; some of the posters on here used to have some top notch photographs from matches. I saw it was in the ground regs on the club site, but the chap who was turfed out above was in the car park - it's no more ridiculous than me getting escorted out of an Asda car park for taking a photo.
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If the club want to cause problems by forcing everyone out of the car park, then we all go into Harvey Gardens, where the road would be blocked causing issues for the police and local residents. The police would not look kindly on this, hence it would cause problems, with possibly more resources required and unnecessary issues.
I'm sure the safety officer at the club and the local police liaison officer have discussed this already. A common sense approach is required from all parties.
i was wondering who the person would be, who would throw the first bottle or smoke bomb.
Well the person who did on Saturday, will get a knock on the door in the next couple of months like the fans at Palace did recently.
will that help or hinder ?
Strangely in the world of social media, it will garner some support,
but will lose, rank and file CAFC supporters who don't want to be associated with wanton vandalism.
Having been at every protest, and also stated on here, use you brain not your brawn, The jury is out on whether that was a own goal, or there's no such thing as bad publicity.
The Daily Mail and Express may go with the former.
PS. Looked like a cracked window to me. the smash noise was the bottle,
with the smoke it was hard to tell at the time,
I'm not supporting those running the club but it is a little unrealistic for us to expect them to lie down and take it when we are looking to cause them as much trouble as possible. Even if KM isn't arrogant and belligerent (and her behaviour makes me think she is both) she was always going to try to combat the protests.
As has been said the protests need to be 100% legal and acceptable to normal people. but if they remain so then they will continue to gather support.
In truth I think I'd be a little disappointed if the club didn't put up some kind of fight!
How can I carry a banner, a camera, a flask AND a blanket ?
Maybe we could have some special "Roland Out" limited edition ones made up.
Handy to put your Banner,Flask,Camera,Blankets,Flares,
programmesin.http://www.cafc.co.uk/tickets/ground-regulations.aspx
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Notice: Entry to the Ground is expressly subject to acceptance by the visitor of these Ground Regulations and the rules and regulations of FIFA, UEFA, The Football Association, The Premier League and The Football League in respect of the relevant competition.
...
16 Mobile telephones are permitted within the Ground, provided that they are used for personal and private use only and provided that no audio, visual or audio-visual material captured by a mobile telephone may be published or otherwise made available to any third parties including, without limitation, via social networking sites.
...
19 Save as set out in paragraph 16 above, no person (other than a person who holds an appropriate licence) may bring into the Ground or use within the Ground any equipment, which is capable of recording or transmitting (by digital or other means) any audio, visual or audio-visual material or any information or data in relation to the Match or the Ground. Copyright, database rights and any other intellectual property rights in any unauthorised recording or transmission is assigned (by way of present assignment of future rights to the Club and The Football League. You further agree (if and whenever required to do so by the Club and/or The Football League) to promptly execute all instruments and do all things necessary to vest the right, title and interest in such rights to the Club and The Football League absolutely and with full title guarantee.
Of course, that couldn't be the case....
I'm sure they are regulations of long-standing and, more importantly, I am confident that our current "leadership" are not that astute.
Does anyone really think the club is committed to the Target 20k deal, given what it became?
I like the idea of coordinated flash photography btw.
Power to the People!