I cant imagine Roland would want to reduce the capacity from its current amount, because of the income large away followings bring. You could say he can simply relocate the away fans and have a small new Jimmy Seed stand, but the police would probably block any relocation due to the way the away fans are perfectly segregated and easily manageable there.
There's plenty of space down that end to build the flats and have a similarly sized stand, or indeed larger. It's a question of what the final capacity of The Valley should be.
Why would Roland bother with a multi-year plan of running a club into the ground just so he could build some flats in London. Hes a rich man, If thats what he wanted to do surely he could just build some flats somewhere, and never bother buying a football club in the first place? Wouldnt that be cheaper and faster?
Why would Roland bother with a multi-year plan of running a club into the ground just so he could build some flats in London. Hes a rich man, If thats what he wanted to do surely he could just build some flats somewhere, and never bother buying a football club in the first place? Wouldnt that be cheaper and faster?
Because if they do it at the valley then Cahones can run up to Roland and say look how good I am!!
Hopefully any money made from these flats (if built) will lower the "losses" RD has made at Charlton and therefore lowers the overall price potential buyers would have to pay for the club as There would be less debt to cover
Hopefully any money made from these flats (if built) will lower the "losses" RD has made at Charlton and therefore lowers the overall price potential buyers would have to pay for the club as There would be less debt to cover
Was that a pig I jsut saw flying past the Valley?
Just as the £9m expenditure on players is given as gross not net this will be shown as money spent by Roland with no mention of what income there has been.
And while Tony Cahones may be leading on this I think it is Roland's idea. it is similar to what he has done elsewhere and I'm not sure Tony has the brains or originality to think it up by himself.
I still believe he will sell the football club but retain the Valley and lease it back. The same as Barry Hearn has done at Orient, and what RD has done at St T.
Asked a friend who works for DNC about Cahones, and the message back is pretty vicious in its criticism of him, and the surprise he's been allowed near the top of any organisation
Hopefully any money made from these flats (if built) will lower the "losses" RD has made at Charlton and therefore lowers the overall price potential buyers would have to pay for the club as There would be less debt to cover
IMO the opposite effect would happen.
Once residents have moved in you have granted permanent and far reaching rights. Would cost a lot to change back, that's if the residents were willing to sell.
I am unaware of any such split use currently in domestic game. Any one got any examples?
St Trudien hate Staprix, well apart from one fan/employee we all know very well.
They got promoted and they hate the fella for messing about with their club.
I've seen our arguments dismissed in the media as typical grumbling by fans wanting the club to over-stretch themselves on players. That's not the case at all. We could be in the same position in footballing terms, I.e. Struggling, and we would accept it. The alterior motives of the owner are the worrying factors.
Seems to me St Trudien and Charlton fans both despise Staprix for turning their clubs into a retail outfit to make RD some coin.
If Greenwich BC allow Staprix to develop residential units then it is the beginning of the end IMO.
Asked a friend who works for DNC about Cahones, and the message back is pretty vicious in its criticism of him, and the surprise he's been allowed near the top of any organisation
And there we have it! Now promoted to a level of incompetence as Chief Operations Officer or similar job title.
Why would Roland bother with a multi-year plan of running a club into the ground just so he could build some flats in London. Hes a rich man, If thats what he wanted to do surely he could just build some flats somewhere, and never bother buying a football club in the first place? Wouldnt that be cheaper and faster?
Because as someone who doesn't follow football for the same reasons as 99% of domestic football fans he thinks his idea of a multiplex shopping/sports/gastronomic venture is a good one.
In our Premier League days there was a proposal to build another tier on the East Stand and build a new Jimmy Seed/South/Open End stand. I think the capacity would have gone up to around 36/37,000. IMO this latest idea shows RD has no intention of ever getting back to the Premier. 1st Division, low wages and overheads and the Masterplan of an academy producing a non stop stream of talented youngsters to be sold for millions. I wonder why other "visionaries" haven't thought of this before.......
Wasn't Cahones the unimpressive bloke who spoke at the beginning of the last Fans Forum ? Presumably he'll be there at the next one, which Katrien has promised to video and make available online. I expect the club will simply try to bat away questions by saying that it's all at a very preliminary stage and that it would premature to elaborate on any plans etc.
We'll have to see what Duchâtelet proposes but this news does send a bit of a shiver down the spine, given the complete lack of trust in this regime. A reduction in capacity in the South Stand - or, indeed, the removal the scope for any future expansion - would be entirely consistent with his complete lack of any football ambition for CAFC. "Premiership ambitions " my arse. Who'd a thought a couple of months ago that part of the ticket office would now be an NHS call centre.
The greatest concern, however, would be that articulated by Dansk-Red, namely, the Club losing the ownership of the Valley. Maybe Duchâtelet intends nothing of the sort but once you create a climate of mistrust, supporters are always likely to assume the worst.
It's great that Airman has alerted us to this development and it is one that will add further impetus to the present campaign. It will also, no doubt, be picked up by the press.
Maybe when the doubters finally realise that this mob are ready to build on The Valley (I reckon within 2 years), they'll manage to foregona cheese roll and a pint of pissy Fosters for more than 10 minutes. Oh no, too late by then.
Not sure that stacks up. Should this nonsense go ahead I'm not sure how a football stand / block of flats could be incorporated into a development that doesn't include a football pitch.
In our Premier League days there was a proposal to build another tier on the East Stand and build a new Jimmy Seed/South/Open End stand. I think the capacity would have gone up to around 36/37,000. IMO this latest idea shows RD has no intention of ever getting back to the Premier. 1st Division, low wages and overheads and the Masterplan of an academy producing a non stop stream of talented youngsters to be sold for millions. I wonder why other "visionaries" haven't thought of this before.......
we don't need 37000 to be in the PL. I doubt we'd fill such a capacity most weeks anyway
Maybe when the doubters finally realise that this mob are ready to build on The Valley (I reckon within 2 years), they'll manage to foregona cheese roll and a pint of pissy Fosters for more than 10 minutes. Oh no, too late by then.
Not sure that stacks up. Should this nonsense go ahead I'm not sure how a football stand / block of flats could be incorporated into a development that doesn't include a football pitch.
Indeed and we shouldn't credit them with any grand strategy - just look at the evidence and the calibre of leadership.
Experienced Stadium and venue operator, responsible for managing and developing all aspects of venue services.
Focused on identifying opportunities and maximising returns by understanding what the customer needs, providing clarity & empowerment to management and forming effective confident front line teams to engage customers and provide excellent service experiences. Accomplished at setting up and leading working teams to deliver intricate projects, which include contract openings, mobilisation of new business, property acquisition, planning application and construction programs, organisational development & structural change, new software & system integrations and building refurbishment.
Weaknesses............ Low self esteem
Strengths........... Modesty and talks fluent Bollox
In our Premier League days there was a proposal to build another tier on the East Stand and build a new Jimmy Seed/South/Open End stand. I think the capacity would have gone up to around 36/37,000. IMO this latest idea shows RD has no intention of ever getting back to the Premier. 1st Division, low wages and overheads and the Masterplan of an academy producing a non stop stream of talented youngsters to be sold for millions. I wonder why other "visionaries" haven't thought of this before.......
we don't need 37000 to be in the PL. I doubt we'd fill such a capacity most weeks anyway
You don't need to fill it most weeks, though, and the reality is that many PL clubs have and are looking to expand their capacity. West Ham, Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea, all being obvious examples. If The Valley becomes limited to 30k then it will be less attractive to some of the big players interested in buying a football club in London - hence the use of the peninsular stadium as a hook to try to attract them in the past. It may mean that can only happen by leaving The Valley.
I don't think the Belgians have any plan to leave The Valley or convert it all into residential. I don't have the detail of what they are planning here and I don't think they do at this stage, either. But as they discover that the costs of development at the Jimmy Seed end are more than they thought, which I expect is what will happen, they may move further and further towards residential use in order to get a return. They may think, in League One and with gates dwindling, why not just build a walkway across the south end and hand the east stand over to away fans? We can still accommodate 18,000 or so home fans in the north and west. That's all we are going to need. Just as Roger Alwen used to argue that a 15,000 capacity would be enough for Charlton.
I don't know, but I am very sure that I don't trust them to put the long-term interests of the club first.
Time scale is important here - even if a formal application were made tomorrow the council would then consult widely and probably not even formally consider the scheme for 12 months. Based on the level of local objections that arise now on most significant schemes it could take RD 2-3 years to get a consent, even if he goes to appeal.
The UK has a very different planning system to Belgium (and everywhere else). Another surprise perhaps for Roland, given how seriously he underestimated the strength of UK football in the second tier?
To be honest, though, redeveloping this part of the ground isn't that remarkable a proposal given what Spurs are up to or what Orient have already done. I'm not sure opposing it ''in principle'' would cut any ice.....but it could slow the idea down.
In the meantime we need to support Riga and the team in staying up this season.
@Rothko re 'Cahones' the CAFC staff think very much the same as the DNC people you spoke too, he is not popular at the valley and that is putting it very mildly!!
Experienced Stadium and venue operator, responsible for managing and developing all aspects of venue services.
Focused on identifying opportunities and maximising returns by understanding what the customer needs, providing clarity & empowerment to management and forming effective confident front line teams to engage customers and provide excellent service experiences. Accomplished at setting up and leading working teams to deliver intricate projects, which include contract openings, mobilisation of new business, property acquisition, planning application and construction programs, organisational development & structural change, new software & system integrations and building refurbishment.
What a load of bollocks. Looking past the succession of hackneyed corporate buzzwords, what is actually being said?
Surprised he didn't use 'sustainability' in there to complete a full house of utter bullshit
Asked a friend who works for DNC about Cahones, and the message back is pretty vicious in its criticism of him, and the surprise he's been allowed near the top of any organisation
And there we have it! Now promoted to a level of incompetence as Chief Operations Officer or similar job title.
I've worked for successful blue chip companies as far as perceived reputation goes, that have been littered with promoting the incompetent, the militant that shout about how everything that they do wrong is someone else's fault, the brown nosers, the people that go on and on about how great their work is when it's the work of their colleagues. They promote these various different types of imbecile up and up the corporate ranks.
At the same time, good people get sick of things and move on to pastures new. How do these companies still function and make profit?
In our Premier League days there was a proposal to build another tier on the East Stand and build a new Jimmy Seed/South/Open End stand. I think the capacity would have gone up to around 36/37,000. IMO this latest idea shows RD has no intention of ever getting back to the Premier. 1st Division, low wages and overheads and the Masterplan of an academy producing a non stop stream of talented youngsters to be sold for millions. I wonder why other "visionaries" haven't thought of this before.......
we don't need 37000 to be in the PL. I doubt we'd fill such a capacity most weeks anyway
You don't need to fill it most weeks, though, and the reality is that many PL clubs have and are looking to expand their capacity. West Ham, Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea, all being obvious examples. If The Valley becomes limited to 30k then it will be less attractive to some of the big players interested in buying a football club in London - hence the use of the peninsular stadium as a hook to try to attract them in the past. It may mean that can only happen by leaving The Valley.
I don't think the Belgians have any plan to leave The Valley or convert it all into residential. I don't have the detail of what they are planning here and I don't think they do at this stage, either. But as they discover that the costs of development at the Jimmy Seed end are more than they thought, which I expect is what will happen, they may move further and further towards residential use in order to get a return. They may think, in League One and with gates dwindling, why not just build a walkway across the south end and hand the east stand over to away fans? We can still accommodate 18,000 or so home fans in the north and west. That's all we are going to need. Just as Roger Alwen used to argue that a 15,000 capacity would be enough for Charlton.
I don't know, but I am very sure that I don't trust them to put the long-term interests of the club first.
I'm not sure Spurs, Liverpool and Chelsea are exactly comparable to us in terms of supporter base. Even West Ham are a significantly bigger club than us, they already sell out 35k, and with their taxpayer funded Olympic Stadium are in a perfect place to attract the PL casual watchers
The majority of clubs at "our level" are between 25k and 33k, and the likes of Watford and Swansea around 21k.
Maybe when the doubters finally realise that this mob are ready to build on The Valley (I reckon within 2 years), they'll manage to foregona cheese roll and a pint of pissy Fosters for more than 10 minutes. Oh no, too late by then.
Not sure that stacks up. Should this nonsense go ahead I'm not sure how a football stand / block of flats could be incorporated into a development that doesn't include a football pitch.
Indeed and we shouldn't credit them with any grand strategy - just look at the evidence and the calibre of leadership.
We have to watch Duchatelet & Meire's every move carefully because his/her strategy is based on stealth. What appears to be nothing at first can easily be turned into another nightmare by these most sneaky of snakes who obviously have never had any intention in getting Charlton back to the Premier League. I lost trust in them as soon as Kermo went for all the wrong reasons.
I cant imagine Roland would want to reduce the capacity from its current amount, because of the income large away followings bring. You could say he can simply relocate the away fans and have a small new Jimmy Seed stand, but the police would probably block any relocation due to the way the away fans are perfectly segregated and easily manageable there.
There's plenty of space down that end to build the flats and have a similarly sized stand, or indeed larger. It's a question of what the final capacity of The Valley should be.
At least 40,000 to be attractive to people who do have proper football ambitions for the club.
In our Premier League days there was a proposal to build another tier on the East Stand and build a new Jimmy Seed/South/Open End stand. I think the capacity would have gone up to around 36/37,000. IMO this latest idea shows RD has no intention of ever getting back to the Premier. 1st Division, low wages and overheads and the Masterplan of an academy producing a non stop stream of talented youngsters to be sold for millions. I wonder why other "visionaries" haven't thought of this before.......
we don't need 37000 to be in the PL. I doubt we'd fill such a capacity most weeks anyway
You don't need to fill it most weeks, though, and the reality is that many PL clubs have and are looking to expand their capacity. West Ham, Spurs, Liverpool, Chelsea, all being obvious examples. If The Valley becomes limited to 30k then it will be less attractive to some of the big players interested in buying a football club in London - hence the use of the peninsular stadium as a hook to try to attract them in the past. It may mean that can only happen by leaving The Valley.
I don't think the Belgians have any plan to leave The Valley or convert it all into residential. I don't have the detail of what they are planning here and I don't think they do at this stage, either. But as they discover that the costs of development at the Jimmy Seed end are more than they thought, which I expect is what will happen, they may move further and further towards residential use in order to get a return. They may think, in League One and with gates dwindling, why not just build a walkway across the south end and hand the east stand over to away fans? We can still accommodate 18,000 or so home fans in the north and west. That's all we are going to need. Just as Roger Alwen used to argue that a 15,000 capacity would be enough for Charlton.
I don't know, but I am very sure that I don't trust them to put the long-term interests of the club first.
I'm not sure Spurs, Liverpool and Chelsea are exactly comparable to us in terms of supporter base. Even West Ham are a significantly bigger club than us, they already sell out 35k, and with their taxpayer funded Olympic Stadium are in a perfect place to attract the PL casual watchers
The majority of clubs at "our level" are between 25k and 33k, and the likes of Watford and Swansea around 21k.
Yes, I get that, but I wonder if you asked them what the optimum would be how many would say that their current capacity is ideal. Apart from physical constraints, one of the problems in the past has been the fact those clubs can't rely on staying in the PL.
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There would be less debt to cover
Just as the £9m expenditure on players is given as gross not net this will be shown as money spent by Roland with no mention of what income there has been.
And while Tony Cahones may be leading on this I think it is Roland's idea. it is similar to what he has done elsewhere and I'm not sure Tony has the brains or originality to think it up by himself.
Once residents have moved in you have granted permanent and far reaching rights. Would cost a lot to change back, that's if the residents were willing to sell.
I am unaware of any such split use currently in domestic game. Any one got any examples?
St Trudien hate Staprix, well apart from one fan/employee we all know very well.
They got promoted and they hate the fella for messing about with their club.
I've seen our arguments dismissed in the media as typical grumbling by fans wanting the club to over-stretch themselves on players. That's not the case at all. We could be in the same position in footballing terms, I.e. Struggling, and we would accept it. The alterior motives of the owner are the worrying factors.
Seems to me St Trudien and Charlton fans both despise Staprix for turning their clubs into a retail outfit to make RD some coin.
If Greenwich BC allow Staprix to develop residential units then it is the beginning of the end IMO.
It's total shite IMO.
IMO this latest idea shows RD has no intention of ever getting back to the Premier. 1st Division, low wages and overheads and the Masterplan of an academy producing a non stop stream of talented youngsters to be sold for millions. I wonder why other "visionaries" haven't thought of this before.......
We'll have to see what Duchâtelet proposes but this news does send a bit of a shiver down the spine, given the complete lack of trust in this regime. A reduction in capacity in the South Stand - or, indeed, the removal the scope for any future expansion - would be entirely consistent with his complete lack of any football ambition for CAFC. "Premiership ambitions " my arse. Who'd a thought a couple of months ago that part of the ticket office would now be an NHS call centre.
The greatest concern, however, would be that articulated by Dansk-Red, namely, the Club losing the ownership of the Valley. Maybe Duchâtelet intends nothing of the sort but once you create a climate of mistrust, supporters are always likely to assume the worst.
It's great that Airman has alerted us to this development and it is one that will add further impetus to the present campaign. It will also, no doubt, be picked up by the press.
Strengths........... Modesty and talks fluent Bollox
I don't think the Belgians have any plan to leave The Valley or convert it all into residential. I don't have the detail of what they are planning here and I don't think they do at this stage, either. But as they discover that the costs of development at the Jimmy Seed end are more than they thought, which I expect is what will happen, they may move further and further towards residential use in order to get a return. They may think, in League One and with gates dwindling, why not just build a walkway across the south end and hand the east stand over to away fans? We can still accommodate 18,000 or so home fans in the north and west. That's all we are going to need. Just as Roger Alwen used to argue that a 15,000 capacity would be enough for Charlton.
I don't know, but I am very sure that I don't trust them to put the long-term interests of the club first.
The UK has a very different planning system to Belgium (and everywhere else). Another surprise perhaps for Roland, given how seriously he underestimated the strength of UK football in the second tier?
To be honest, though, redeveloping this part of the ground isn't that remarkable a proposal given what Spurs are up to or what Orient have already done. I'm not sure opposing it ''in principle'' would cut any ice.....but it could slow the idea down.
In the meantime we need to support Riga and the team in staying up this season.
Surprised he didn't use 'sustainability' in there to complete a full house of utter bullshit
He's to the far right of squirrel face.
At the same time, good people get sick of things and move on to pastures new. How do these companies still function and make profit?
The majority of clubs at "our level" are between 25k and 33k, and the likes of Watford and Swansea around 21k.