Government proposal for supporters say in running their club

DENCH

I'm not so good a following where topics should be put so forgive me if this has been posted somewhere. It mentions supports will get two mandatory meeting with the clubs top 2 officials. Would with mean RM and KM or would Roland have to get involved as well?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3405680/Football-fans-poised-power-surge-government-proposals-supported-FA-Premier-League-Football-League.html

WestCountryAddick

Sounds like RD would have to be involved being THE top official. I guess it depends on the wording of the document. No doubt he will try to get out of it somehow.

Miserableoldgit

Valley Gold......
Now this........

Don't know why I bother......

MountsfieldPark

My bold below. The most important part of the document is about when clubs enter admin and helping supporters have a realistic chance to buy the club. The bit about 2 meetings a year is below.
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3.33 The Leagues will recommend to their member clubs that the 2012 undertaking and the subsequent application of the relevant League rules will be met by meeting a representative group of supporters at least twice a year to discuss major issues.

3.34 The Leagues will recommend that this representative group of supporters includes the club's Supporters Trust. The Leagues will advise clubs that no individuals should be excluded from the meetings without good reason, and, if attendances at these meetings is restricted to a small group of supporters – which is the preference of SD/FSF– a significant proportion of this representative group of supporters should be elected, selected or invited to these meetings in line with basic democratic principles.

3.35 Senior representatives from the clubs – either club owners / directors and/or senior executive management should represent the club at these meetings. The Group recognises the importance of Supporter Liaison Officers and their roles in providing a key interface between clubs and fans on a wide range of issues - and this should continue - but this formal, structured dialogue should be led by owners / directors / senior executive management.

3.36 The Group recognises that there is not a 'one size fits all' approach to either clubs or Leagues and that the fans’ appetite for specific information, and to discuss specific issues will vary from club to club. Whilst SD and FSF believe these meetings would be most productive with a tighter, independently democratically elected representative group of supporters with an interest in strategic and governance issues, the PL and FL support clubs having the flexibility to invite a broad and open group of supporters.

3.37 Each of the Leagues will therefore provide a template to clubs outlining the minimum level of information which should be shared at these meetings. Although the focus of these meetings will be on strategic and major issues, all parties will be able to table additional topics where relevant and timely, to ensure that the issues which matter to supporters and clubs are discussed.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/493213/Football_Supporter_Ownership_and_Engagement_2015_FINAL__1_.docx

T_C_E

Shocking use of words such as, supporters and fans. No mention of us customers.

kentaddick

T.C.E said:

Shocking use of words such as, supporters and fans. No mention of us customers.

if there's no mention of a complimentary bovril and blanket I'm done with football, lost it's soul

bobmunro

MountsfieldPark said:

My bold below. The most important part of the document is about when clubs enter admin and helping supporters have a realistic chance to buy the club. The bit about 2 meetings a year is below.
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3.33 The Leagues will recommend to their member clubs that the 2012 undertaking and the subsequent application of the relevant League rules will be met by meeting a representative group of supporters at least twice a year to discuss major issues.

3.34 The Leagues will recommend that this representative group of supporters includes the club's Supporters Trust. The Leagues will advise clubs that no individuals should be excluded from the meetings without good reason, and, if attendances at these meetings is restricted to a small group of supporters – which is the preference of SD/FSF– a significant proportion of this representative group of supporters should be elected, selected or invited to these meetings in line with basic democratic principles.

3.35 Senior representatives from the clubs – either club owners / directors and/or senior executive management should represent the club at these meetings. The Group recognises the importance of Supporter Liaison Officers and their roles in providing a key interface between clubs and fans on a wide range of issues - and this should continue - but this formal, structured dialogue should be led by owners / directors / senior executive management.

3.36 The Group recognises that there is not a 'one size fits all' approach to either clubs or Leagues and that the fans’ appetite for specific information, and to discuss specific issues will vary from club to club. Whilst SD and FSF believe these meetings would be most productive with a tighter, independently democratically elected representative group of supporters with an interest in strategic and governance issues, the PL and FL support clubs having the flexibility to invite a broad and open group of supporters.

3.37 Each of the Leagues will therefore provide a template to clubs outlining the minimum level of information which should be shared at these meetings. Although the focus of these meetings will be on strategic and major issues, all parties will be able to table additional topics where relevant and timely, to ensure that the issues which matter to supporters and clubs are discussed.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/493213/Football_Supporter_Ownership_and_Engagement_2015_FINAL__1_.docx

Surely the Fans Forum covers the highlighted points.

Nothing in these guidelines talks about honesty or effectiveness of the meetings.

IAgree

T.C.E said:

Shocking use of words such as, supporters and fans. No mention of us customers.

Supporters?? Fans?? Involvement??

All plain weird!

MountsfieldPark

bobmunro said:

MountsfieldPark said:

My bold below. The most important part of the document is about when clubs enter admin and helping supporters have a realistic chance to buy the club. The bit about 2 meetings a year is below.
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3.33 The Leagues will recommend to their member clubs that the 2012 undertaking and the subsequent application of the relevant League rules will be met by meeting a representative group of supporters at least twice a year to discuss major issues.

3.34 The Leagues will recommend that this representative group of supporters includes the club's Supporters Trust. The Leagues will advise clubs that no individuals should be excluded from the meetings without good reason, and, if attendances at these meetings is restricted to a small group of supporters – which is the preference of SD/FSF– a significant proportion of this representative group of supporters should be elected, selected or invited to these meetings in line with basic democratic principles.

3.35 Senior representatives from the clubs – either club owners / directors and/or senior executive management should represent the club at these meetings. The Group recognises the importance of Supporter Liaison Officers and their roles in providing a key interface between clubs and fans on a wide range of issues - and this should continue - but this formal, structured dialogue should be led by owners / directors / senior executive management.

3.36 The Group recognises that there is not a 'one size fits all' approach to either clubs or Leagues and that the fans’ appetite for specific information, and to discuss specific issues will vary from club to club. Whilst SD and FSF believe these meetings would be most productive with a tighter, independently democratically elected representative group of supporters with an interest in strategic and governance issues, the PL and FL support clubs having the flexibility to invite a broad and open group of supporters.

3.37 Each of the Leagues will therefore provide a template to clubs outlining the minimum level of information which should be shared at these meetings. Although the focus of these meetings will be on strategic and major issues, all parties will be able to table additional topics where relevant and timely, to ensure that the issues which matter to supporters and clubs are discussed.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/493213/Football_Supporter_Ownership_and_Engagement_2015_FINAL__1_.docx

Surely the Fans Forum covers the highlighted points.

Nothing in these guidelines talks about honesty or effectiveness of the meetings.

I agree. This isn't a set of rules, just recommendations that the Leagues would have to turn into rules and then hope they can get the clubs to vote for. 3.36 is clearly a big get-out clause, because they know there are extreme cases like Oyston out there. He's not going to have a constructive dialogue with any organised group of fans. Anyway, I can't see there being any sanctions, even in the case of flagrant failure to comply. In practice, English football these days is dominated by Scudamore of the PL company, who can force whatever outcome he wants on the FL.