Pure speculation, but Ujpest are doing well under Vinny (whatever his name is) and I wonder whether Duchatalet Jr. brought him into the office and showed him a bit of the supporter reaction to him and our distain for Karel, before asking whether he wouldn't rather stay in place. Then broke the news to daddy dearest.
That would fit the Hungarian version.
I dont' think the "KM persuaded RD" line is remotely possible. If that were the case, it would never have got out that he was a candidate in the first place. They are not stupid, even if they don't know enough about football. Roderick's wife is COO of Ujpest, is also Belgian, about the same age as KM, and they are connections on LinkedIn. Don't tell me they didn't discuss this before Nobby had his meeting with Roderick.
We are doing a great job, and we can influence them, but I think it's smart not to over-estimate what we are achieving unless the evidence is cast-iron, otherwise at some point we will look a bit silly and maybe a bit of support.
For what it's worth, my take on yesterday was that someone at the club saw that the volcano was boiling over (maybe Katrien, after all, she's gonna take the flack against Blackburn) and alerted Roly that he was pointlessly stirring up a shit-storm when it would be posible to get an equally cheap and naff manager with a Bristish Passport, and buy the club some time and peace. (The other versión that the Serbian could'nt get the papers to work in the UK is a good runner, but the first one ties with Airman. Is it a Watergate moment? Woodward and Bernstein spent a long, long time uncovering that scandal, and it must have felt as if they were going nowhere. However, they had spies in the White House who told them the regime was feeling the heat, and suffering. For us, the Black and White protest, those miserable first few car park protests, etc, must have felt as if they were going no where too. But thanks to the intransigence of the regime over Fraeye, the pressure has built, and while from outside, it looks as if the Belgians are bunkered down and sitting us out, maybe they are genuinely worried, and were'nt expecting the season to go quite so badly against them. As Henry Irving said, Katrien has managed to unite every fan against the current owners. So now we need to ramp up the protests. (Easy for me to say, I'm in Spain and won't be back for a while ). No time for dialogue when the theives are going out the door with your 80" plasma TV. We have half a transfer window to sabe the season, half a squad, no manager and a CEO who seems to have gone of with Jimmy Hoffa. CARD have this perfect. Let's turn up the heat.
I really can't see that RD decided against this guy, but this guy ( that nobody has ever heard of, unless you played in the Indoor Canadian league) was sensible enough not to want the Charlton job. There are a lot of cynical people where I sit, saying that RD either wants us to go up or go down - as he could make money both ways. If we go up we will get the treasures of the premiership. If we go down , the support will be reduce, the ground will then be too big for us, so he could sell it for a fortune and then rebuild another smaller one near the O2 and the likes of Mr Murray could also get his money back. I really don't want to believe these people but when you see the type of managers that we employ or try to employ it does make you think.
The British manager thing is going to prove a difficult avenue to walk down for the club in its current state.
Who would conduct the interviews?
No doubt Katrien. But her complete incompetency has been well publicised along with her complete lack of football knowledge. Should any adequate candidates decide to take up an interview, her presence along with the clubs current strategy model will most certainly demean any chance of getting them on board.
The subject of money/wages?
This will be a real sticking point,should anyone be mad enough to take it on. Roland, in his current mind set has no intention of shelling out hundreds of thousands of pounds on any aspect of staff budget. It's what his whole model is based upon. A manager outside the cult network,will not settle for peanuts,just for the chance to work for the great Roland Duchatelet. Knowing our current position along with Roland's wealth the screw will really be turned.
This leads on to complete control of the playing side?
The new man would be expecting pretty much complete control. Could Roland bear to let that happen? Again it goes against his 'I pick them. You coach them' ideology.
I'm sure there are more sticking points.
I said British. But what I really mean is suitably experienced and worth his salt. In a nutshell, to get the individual this club need and deserve is going to prove a very difficult task for a regime currently filled to the top with inadequacies.
I think it could be Katrien convincing Roland not to appoint the Serbian. She will know that it'd basically be the final straw for the supporters, and for some of the players too.
I've no evidence or inside knowledge, but my gut feel says that some of the senior pros (Jackson, Diarra, Hendo, backed up by newer arrivals such as Johnson) might have tipped the balance. When the Ujpest guy was being touted, I seriously questioned how well this might go down with the players, and while we know that players will often put up & shut up, they are human beings and will surely have had enough of the situation. Tuesday won't have been enjoyable for any of them - and don't think for one minute that a good pay cheque would compensate (I was at my most miserable at my peak earning point in my own job).
RD & KM can hide from supporters and ignore our vitriol, but you can't do that with the players. I sense that at some point reality has set in that a Brit appointment is the only way forward. Whether RD or our Serbian friend made the final call is possibly irrelevant - the underlying factor is a realisation that it really wouldn't work.
Also, I don't see much upside for RD from relegation - the 'sell The Valley & downsize' option would be a huge and time-consuming gamble, and with a Labour mayor a good possibility he wouldn't be counting on too many favours politically.
Pure speculation, but Ujpest are doing well under Vinny (whatever his name is) and I wonder whether Duchatalet Jr. brought him into the office and showed him a bit of the supporter reaction to him and our distain for Karel, before asking whether he wouldn't rather stay in place. Then broke the news to daddy dearest.
That would fit the Hungarian version.
I dont' think the "KM persuaded RD" line is remotely possible. If that were the case, it would never have got out that he was a candidate in the first place. They are not stupid, even if they don't know enough about football. Roderick's wife is COO of Ujpest, is also Belgian, about the same age as KM, and they are connections on LinkedIn. Don't tell me they didn't discuss this before Nobby had his meeting with Roderick.
We are doing a great job, and we can influence them, but I think it's smart not to over-estimate what we are achieving unless the evidence is cast-iron, otherwise at some point we will look a bit silly and maybe a bit of support.
Ms Meire has admitted herself that she never wins an argument with M. Duchatelet. I can't see that changing just because she is having a panic attack over the new manager. Although, I think its a good think we are reducing her to a state of panic!
The only person at that club who knows what it takes to succeed as part of the coaching team is Keith Peacock. He should be at the interviews.
I'm sure I heard from BBC Radio London they have an appointed board to make the decision - so not just RD alone
Might be true, yet we know that ultimately, Roly get what Roly wants. It's his club, he can do what the hell he likes. He might be prepared to give a bit, but if he doesn't like someone, they aren't gonna get the job.
The only person at that club who knows what it takes to succeed as part of the coaching team is Keith Peacock. He should be at the interviews.
I'm sure I heard from BBC Radio London they have an appointed board to make the decision - so not just RD alone
That is correct, in the Rick interview on BBC Radio London last night, he said he had heard a board would now be conducting the interviews as against KM herself. If this is true, and I have no reason to doubt it, who would be on this board?
The only person at that club who knows what it takes to succeed as part of the coaching team is Keith Peacock. He should be at the interviews.
I'm sure I heard from BBC Radio London they have an appointed board to make the decision - so not just RD alone
That is correct, in the Rick interview on BBC Radio London last night, he said he had heard a board would now be conducting the interviews as against KM herself. If this is true, and I have no reason to doubt it, who would be on this board?
I really can't see that RD decided against this guy, but this guy ( that nobody has ever heard of, unless you played in the Indoor Canadian league) was sensible enough not to want the Charlton job. There are a lot of cynical people where I sit, saying that RD either wants us to go up or go down - as he could make money both ways. If we go up we will get the treasures of the premiership. If we go down , the support will be reduce, the ground will then be too big for us, so he could sell it for a fortune and then rebuild another smaller one near the O2 and the likes of Mr Murray could also get his money back. I really don't want to believe these people but when you see the type of managers that we employ or try to employ it does make you think.
There is no "fortune" to be made selling The Valley for redevelopment, relative to the club's debts. While it could generate some money and it's not impossible to see him offsetting some losses by trying to play at Millwall, for example, conversion costs and land values don't make it sensible for him to build a replacement stadium - of any size.
Murray is "only" owed £2.5m or thereabouts at this stage and chasing that debt is not his main motivation, IMO. The other ex-directors have no immediate leverage but they would get their money on sale of The Valley, which collectively is half the likely value realised.
I've no evidence or inside knowledge, but my gut feel says that some of the senior pros (Jackson, Diarra, Hendo, backed up by newer arrivals such as Johnson) might have tipped the balance. When the Ujpest guy was being touted, I seriously questioned how well this might go down with the players, and while we know that players will often put up & shut up, they are human beings and will surely have had enough of the situation. Tuesday won't have been enjoyable for any of them - and don't think for one minute that a good pay cheque would compensate (I was at my most miserable at my peak earning point in my own job).
RD & KM can hide from supporters and ignore our vitriol, but you can't do that with the players. I sense that at some point reality has set in that a Brit appointment is the only way forward. Whether RD or our Serbian friend made the final call is possibly irrelevant - the underlying factor is a realisation that it really wouldn't work.
Also, I don't see much upside for RD from relegation - the 'sell The Valley & downsize' option would be a huge and time-consuming gamble, and with a Labour mayor a good possibility he wouldn't be counting on too many favours politically.
Totally agree – player power plus R.M. K.M. must have been aware the appointment of the Serbian would have provoked a near riot outside the Valley at the next home game. Quite how long the beleaguered K.M. can survive the recent debacle is anyone’s guess
It shows what a shit situation we are in that Jackson is playing let alone being considered as Manager, nothing against him been absolute quality for us, but his legs are gone, most shocking part of interview with Henderson was he said the team on Tuesday bar Cousins was our strongest, this included Johnson and Jackson, neither has 30 yards in them.
I don't think Hendo was thinking straight because he didn't mention Diarra, Bauer or Lookman....all of whom would walk into our strongest XI.
It shows what a shit situation we are in that Jackson is playing let alone being considered as Manager, nothing against him been absolute quality for us, but his legs are gone, most shocking part of interview with Henderson was he said the team on Tuesday bar Cousins was our strongest, this included Johnson and Jackson, neither has 30 yards in them.
I don't think Hendo was thinking straight because he didn't mention Diarra, Bauer or Lookman....all of whom would walk into our strongest XI.
Walk being the important word here..as those three would be hobbling.
Not a chance imo that the players have personally gone against RD and said "get a British manager or else"
For people saying JJ as club captain may have said enough is enough etc., do you think Rooney has a say in who should be ManUre manager? Or Jordan Henderson at Liverpool?
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I dont' think the "KM persuaded RD" line is remotely possible. If that were the case, it would never have got out that he was a candidate in the first place. They are not stupid, even if they don't know enough about football. Roderick's wife is COO of Ujpest, is also Belgian, about the same age as KM, and they are connections on LinkedIn. Don't tell me they didn't discuss this before Nobby had his meeting with Roderick.
We are doing a great job, and we can influence them, but I think it's smart not to over-estimate what we are achieving unless the evidence is cast-iron, otherwise at some point we will look a bit silly and maybe a bit of support.
Couldhave done worse.Is it a Watergate moment? Woodward and Bernstein spent a long, long time uncovering that scandal, and it must have felt as if they were going nowhere. However, they had spies in the White House who told them the regime was feeling the heat, and suffering. For us, the Black and White protest, those miserable first few car park protests, etc, must have felt as if they were going no where too. But thanks to the intransigence of the regime over Fraeye, the pressure has built, and while from outside, it looks as if the Belgians are bunkered down and sitting us out, maybe they are genuinely worried, and were'nt expecting the season to go quite so badly against them. As Henry Irving said, Katrien has managed to unite every fan against the current owners.
So now we need to ramp up the protests. (Easy for me to say, I'm in Spain and won't be back for a while
I really don't want to believe these people but when you see the type of managers that we employ or try to employ it does make you think.
Who would conduct the interviews?
No doubt Katrien. But her complete incompetency has been well publicised along with her complete lack of football knowledge. Should any adequate candidates decide to take up an interview, her presence along with the clubs current strategy model will most certainly demean any chance of getting them on board.
The subject of money/wages?
This will be a real sticking point,should anyone be mad enough to take it on. Roland, in his current mind set has no intention of shelling out hundreds of thousands of pounds on any aspect of staff budget. It's what his whole model is based upon. A manager outside the
cultnetwork,will not settle for peanuts,just for the chance to work for the great Roland Duchatelet. Knowing our current position along with Roland's wealth the screw will really be turned.This leads on to complete control of the playing side?
The new man would be expecting pretty much complete control. Could Roland bear to let that happen? Again it goes against his 'I pick them. You coach them' ideology.
I'm sure there are more sticking points.
I said British. But what I really mean is suitably experienced and worth his salt.
In a nutshell, to get the individual this club need and deserve is going to prove a very difficult task for a regime currently filled to the top with inadequacies.
RD & KM can hide from supporters and ignore our vitriol, but you can't do that with the players. I sense that at some point reality has set in that a Brit appointment is the only way forward. Whether RD or our Serbian friend made the final call is possibly irrelevant - the underlying factor is a realisation that it really wouldn't work.
Also, I don't see much upside for RD from relegation - the 'sell The Valley & downsize' option would be a huge and time-consuming gamble, and with a Labour mayor a good possibility he wouldn't be counting on too many favours politically.
If this is true, and I have no reason to doubt it, who would be on this board?
Murray is "only" owed £2.5m or thereabouts at this stage and chasing that debt is not his main motivation, IMO. The other ex-directors have no immediate leverage but they would get their money on sale of The Valley, which collectively is half the likely value realised.
Quite how long the beleaguered K.M. can survive the recent debacle is anyone’s guess
For people saying JJ as club captain may have said enough is enough etc., do you think Rooney has a say in who should be ManUre manager? Or Jordan Henderson at Liverpool?