The problem with remaining in the stadium is that it is easily managed. Indeed, the stadium is designed for it to be managed. The directors box, etc, and most of the press will disappear to the rear of the west stand and for the most part any post-match protest inside the stadium will be seen only by the stewards and the police in the control room.
To be effective a protest has to be seen and be inconvenient to the club, in my view. In front of their guests and the other club's VIPs it will embarrass them.
At the moment I'm a non attending supporter (this will continue whilst these horrible people are in place) but I feel the need to join protests. I won't attend the game but I will attend after final whistle and join whatever protest is agreed upon. I'm sure I'll be able to get in to the ground.
So there's ideas for a 2.30 protest, a do not enter the stadium protest, a full boycott, stay at home protest, a black and white protest, a funeral march protest, a sit in the ground after the game protest, a sit outside the ground after the game protest, any more I have forgotten?
What a convoluted mess this is. Whatever you are trying to achieve won't work if you change what you do every week, the owner will just think you are confused as to what you actually want.
I'm not protesting myself as I don't agree with it, but anyone wanting to protest, it needs to be a single unified message that can be repeated.
The problem with remaining in the stadium is that it is easily managed. Indeed, the stadium is designed for it to be managed. The directors box, etc, and most of the press will disappear to the rear of the west stand and for the most part any post-match protest inside the stadium will be seen only by the stewards and the police in the control room.
To be effective a protest has to be seen and be inconvenient to the club, in my view. In front of their guests and the other club's VIPs it will embarrass them.
So there's ideas for a 2.30 protest, a do not enter the stadium protest, a full boycott, stay at home protest, a black and white protest, a funeral march protest, a sit in the ground after the game protest, a sit outside the ground after the game protest, any more I have forgotten?
What a convoluted mess this is. Whatever you are trying to achieve won't work if you change what you do every week, the owner will just think you are confused as to what you actually want.
I'm not protesting myself as I don't agree with it, but anyone wanting to protest, it needs to be a single unified message that can be repeated.
So there's ideas for a 2.30 protest, a do not enter the stadium protest, a full boycott, stay at home protest, a black and white protest, a funeral march protest, a sit in the ground after the game protest, a sit outside the ground after the game protest, any more I have forgotten?
What a convoluted mess this is. Whatever you are trying to achieve won't work if you change what you do every week, the owner will just think you are confused as to what you actually want.
I'm not protesting myself as I don't agree with it, but anyone wanting to protest, it needs to be a single unified message that can be repeated.
Why do you not agree with protesting?
My own reasons which I have posted on here before.
So there's ideas for a 2.30 protest, a do not enter the stadium protest, a full boycott, stay at home protest, a black and white protest, a funeral march protest, a sit in the ground after the game protest, a sit outside the ground after the game protest, any more I have forgotten?
What a convoluted mess this is. Whatever you are trying to achieve won't work if you change what you do every week, the owner will just think you are confused as to what you actually want.
I'm not protesting myself as I don't agree with it, but anyone wanting to protest, it needs to be a single unified message that can be repeated.
Why do you not agree with protesting?
My own reasons which I have posted on here before.
could you elaborate again? I'm genuinely interested in to how anyone can be happy with the current situation.
So there's ideas for a 2.30 protest, a do not enter the stadium protest, a full boycott, stay at home protest, a black and white protest, a funeral march protest, a sit in the ground after the game protest, a sit outside the ground after the game protest, any more I have forgotten?
What a convoluted mess this is. Whatever you are trying to achieve won't work if you change what you do every week, the owner will just think you are confused as to what you actually want.
I'm not protesting myself as I don't agree with it, but anyone wanting to protest, it needs to be a single unified message that can be repeated.
Why do you not agree with protesting?
My own reasons which I have posted on here before.
could you elaborate again? I'm genuinely interested in to how anyone can be happy with the current situation.
So there's ideas for a 2.30 protest, a do not enter the stadium protest, a full boycott, stay at home protest, a black and white protest, a funeral march protest, a sit in the ground after the game protest, a sit outside the ground after the game protest, any more I have forgotten?
What a convoluted mess this is. Whatever you are trying to achieve won't work if you change what you do every week, the owner will just think you are confused as to what you actually want.
I'm not protesting myself as I don't agree with it, but anyone wanting to protest, it needs to be a single unified message that can be repeated.
But the numerous expressions of fan anger and disenchantment - which I admit are varied - are hardly a "convoluted mess." Agree that we need to do things in a more unified way as momentum builds but that is precisely the point of this call for a sit-in protest surely?
So there's ideas for a 2.30 protest, a do not enter the stadium protest, a full boycott, stay at home protest, a black and white protest, a funeral march protest, a sit in the ground after the game protest, a sit outside the ground after the game protest, any more I have forgotten?
What a convoluted mess this is. Whatever you are trying to achieve won't work if you change what you do every week, the owner will just think you are confused as to what you actually want.
I'm not protesting myself as I don't agree with it, but anyone wanting to protest, it needs to be a single unified message that can be repeated.
Why do you not agree with protesting?
My own reasons which I have posted on here before.
could you elaborate again? I'm genuinely interested in to how anyone can be happy with the current situation.
I've had this discussion (argument) with another fan over xmas. His response ... without RD/KM we would not have a club; they saved us; KM is a very personable and impressive person; there have been no other approaches from other investors; why protest when we have always been a selling club; nothing has changed from the Gliksten years - this is no worse; how can we complain when they have invested so much; the fault is not with the owners or the manager - it is the fault of the players for underperforming; we have a strong enough squad and need no more players.
All bullshit I know and I gave every reason why his rationale was flawed but he would not listen - this applies not just to him but the block of 5 fans that he goes with. There are none so blind as those that won't see ... but these are the arguments from the dark side
So there's ideas for a 2.30 protest, a do not enter the stadium protest, a full boycott, stay at home protest, a black and white protest, a funeral march protest, a sit in the ground after the game protest, a sit outside the ground after the game protest, any more I have forgotten?
What a convoluted mess this is. Whatever you are trying to achieve won't work if you change what you do every week, the owner will just think you are confused as to what you actually want.
I'm not protesting myself as I don't agree with it, but anyone wanting to protest, it needs to be a single unified message that can be repeated.
Why do you not agree with protesting?
My own reasons which I have posted on here before.
could you elaborate again? I'm genuinely interested in to how anyone can be happy with the current situation.
Not being funny, but I don't get why I should have to explain myself, but anyway...
Basically stems from seeing it as RD not being a very good owner but one who has a plan, rather than having a crackpot like Cellino or a full on asset stripper like S&J would have probably gone on to be.
Badge and kit colour is the same, stadium and pitch, training ground and youth system invested in, but poor managerial appointments have led to where we are.
Other clubs have had similar turmoil, look at Cardiff with they're crap they've had recently, look at Boltons financial problems, look at where Portsmouth have gone in the past 6-7 years, look at Blackpool, Newcastle and even Aston Villa to a certain extent.
It's not nice that we are in that category, but I also feel we could be even worse off, and I don't see a Charlton Clad saviour riding in to invest tens of millions of pounds into the club, so for the moment I want to see RD and his reign come to fruition.
I can understand why people are protesting, but it's not what I want to do
So there's ideas for a 2.30 protest, a do not enter the stadium protest, a full boycott, stay at home protest, a black and white protest, a funeral march protest, a sit in the ground after the game protest, a sit outside the ground after the game protest, any more I have forgotten?
What a convoluted mess this is. Whatever you are trying to achieve won't work if you change what you do every week, the owner will just think you are confused as to what you actually want.
I'm not protesting myself as I don't agree with it, but anyone wanting to protest, it needs to be a single unified message that can be repeated.
Why do you not agree with protesting?
My own reasons which I have posted on here before.
could you elaborate again? I'm genuinely interested in to how anyone can be happy with the current situation.
Not being funny, but I don't get why I should have to explain myself, but anyway...
Basically stems from seeing it as RD not being a very good owner but one who has a plan, rather than having a crackpot like Cellino or a full on asset stripper like S&J would have probably gone on to be.
Badge and kit colour is the same, stadium and pitch, training ground and youth system invested in, but poor managerial appointments have led to where we are.
Other clubs have had similar turmoil, look at Cardiff with they're crap they've had recently, look at Boltons financial problems, look at where Portsmouth have gone in the past 6-7 years, look at Blackpool, Newcastle and even Aston Villa to a certain extent.
It's not nice that we are in that category, but I also feel we could be even worse off, and I don't see a Charlton Clad saviour riding in to invest tens of millions of pounds into the club, so for the moment I want to see RD and his reign come to fruition.
I can understand why people are protesting, but it's not what I want to do
I know football is about opinions but having blind faith at least probably stops you going absolutely ballistic like thousands of others.
I disagree entirely with sam3110's opinion, but he/she is entitled to it. They've restated their opinion as requested, I'm not sure what's to be gained from (another) cross-examination of that view.
What we need is a group to lead, over on twitter they are planning a protest before the game outside the west stand at 2:30, here it's an after game protest, maybe both will work but whichever way it needs to be organised to get numbers to turn up otherwise it will look like a disjointed mess.
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To be effective a protest has to be seen and be inconvenient to the club, in my view. In front of their guests and the other club's VIPs it will embarrass them.
What a convoluted mess this is. Whatever you are trying to achieve won't work if you change what you do every week, the owner will just think you are confused as to what you actually want.
I'm not protesting myself as I don't agree with it, but anyone wanting to protest, it needs to be a single unified message that can be repeated.
All bullshit I know and I gave every reason why his rationale was flawed but he would not listen - this applies not just to him but the block of 5 fans that he goes with. There are none so blind as those that won't see ... but these are the arguments from the dark side
Basically stems from seeing it as RD not being a very good owner but one who has a plan, rather than having a crackpot like Cellino or a full on asset stripper like S&J would have probably gone on to be.
Badge and kit colour is the same, stadium and pitch, training ground and youth system invested in, but poor managerial appointments have led to where we are.
Other clubs have had similar turmoil, look at Cardiff with they're crap they've had recently, look at Boltons financial problems, look at where Portsmouth have gone in the past 6-7 years, look at Blackpool, Newcastle and even Aston Villa to a certain extent.
It's not nice that we are in that category, but I also feel we could be even worse off, and I don't see a Charlton Clad saviour riding in to invest tens of millions of pounds into the club, so for the moment I want to see RD and his reign come to fruition.
I can understand why people are protesting, but it's not what I want to do
Are you on a wind up!!
This statement rings out for me.
Sod the fans
Sod the league
Sod the football rivalries
Sod the passion and history of Charlton Athletic Football club.
Hang your head in shame Richard Murray.
Good luck with it
What if we win 5-0 with goals from Sarr, Makienok (2), Ba and Ceballos