I'm not desperately keen on a boycott because I've paid for my season ticket and, unless I don't fancy going - which has happened a couple of times this season, I want to see the games.
Having said that the Ipswich game at Home at the end of November is on the tele so that might be the best time to make a visual statement. If the Sky cameras came and there were no home fans here it would, I imagine, have the maximum embarrassment to those running the club. If it is done properly the Sky commentators, and the pundits, would have to mention it.
I'm not sure it would change much, but it would make people notice and none of us would have to miss the game as we could watch it on the tele!
Has anyone actually described what a successful outcome of a "boycott" would be?
In other words, what is the stated purpose?
It's highly unlikely that RD is going to see that the gate is, say, 15% down against the average for the season and decide to sell the club.
Not turning up; or turning up late; or not buying a pint; or standing up and shouting at a specified time isn't going to change the ownership of the club. RD will be the owner the day before, the day of and the day after any "boycott".
If anything, a boycott would make it slightly harder for him to find a buyer.
So what is the measure of success? What will people be able to look back and say, "it was worth all the planning and effort and execution, because... " what?
The four objectives of the Black and White campaign are the starting point.
I surely can't be the only one right now who couldn't give a toss about whether they respond to all emails or not?
Boycotting the catering kiosks is, in my opinion, definitely the way to go.
Soon the time for talking will be over and some of us will need to begin planning.
That's one option, but not the answer.
I don't think we currently have any answers. The only thing we can do is start to probe and hope we find something that seems to hit the spot. I certainly think the catering is a great place to start. The club will not only feel it through reduced revenue share, but also because it will have the added bonus of the catering contractor giving them grief too.
I can see the headlines already 'Pie despair for Roland and Meire'.
I totally understand that people want to show their anger and frustration in ways that suit them, that's fine. However, for this season, staying away in a boycott as a season ticket holder will not affect RD as he has my money already. Why would he care? We all can see the gate is well down, week in week out it dwindles and still he insults us with this appointment. I will wear black and white and get involved in making our opinions as clearly as I can to him: most offensives have many fronts. However, the team need our support more than ever and I CANNOT take League 1 again!
Thats alright , coz it will only be for one season when we slide into League 2.
Boycotting the catering kiosks is, in my opinion, definitely the way to go.
Soon the time for talking will be over and some of us will need to begin planning.
That's one option, but not the answer.
I don't think we currently have any answers. The only thing we can do is start to probe and hope we find something that seems to hit the spot. I certainly think the catering is a great place to start. The club will not only feel it through reduced revenue share, but also because it will have the added bonus of the catering contractor giving them grief too.
I can see the headlines already 'Pie despair for Roland and Meire'.
'Marginal gains' ...it worked for British cycling and the Sky team
One problem as I see it is that you are all ( well most of you) thinking in a rational way. There is increasing evidence that Roland does not. He rather reminds me of WW1 generals where the hideous slaughter continued because some generals were unable to accept evidence that challenged their point of view hence they thought that more of the same would be successful. It is a characteristic of the authoritarian personality and also of those with personality disorders. But he did sell SLiege and this was for 'complicated reasons'. What exactly were those reasons? IMO, it might be useful to pursue this line of enquiry?
To all those saying that they're going to boycott and stop going to The Valley because they don't want to give roly any more of their money, I get it. We need to let the board know that this isn't good enough and we need to find a way to make RDs life that little bit more difficult some how.
But it can't be just me that sees that when the team are struggling on the pitch, that's the time when Charlton need me more than ever.
In what could be his last season playing for us, does Johnnie Jackson deserve an empty, passionless Valley?
There are several players that care about this great club, and they're not happy with what's happening behind the scenes either.
As has been said several times in recent weeks, what is a football club without its fans? I'm all for suggesting we don't spend any cash once we're in the ground, or ROLAND OUT chants from the Covered End during the Ipswich game so that the media get wind of this... But PLEASE don't stop supporting the team.
the players have to take responsibility for their poor performances, so they are part to blame.
To all those saying that they're going to boycott and stop going to The Valley because they don't want to give roly any more of their money, I get it. We need to let the board know that this isn't good enough and we need to find a way to make RDs life that little bit more difficult some how.
But it can't be just me that sees that when the team are struggling on the pitch, that's the time when Charlton need me more than ever.
In what could be his last season playing for us, does Johnnie Jackson deserve an empty, passionless Valley?
There are several players that care about this great club, and they're not happy with what's happening behind the scenes either.
As has been said several times in recent weeks, what is a football club without its fans? I'm all for suggesting we don't spend any cash once we're in the ground, or ROLAND OUT chants from the Covered End during the Ipswich game so that the media get wind of this... But PLEASE don't stop supporting the team.
I'm afraid the players are part to blame, they're the ones who have put in shite performances over these last few weeks and why are you so desperate to mother them, they're professional after all, it's their job, they get paid very well. I'm sure many of us would like to have the opportunity they have.
I find it very difficult not to feel I'm being shafted by club, staff and players and for that reason "I'm out"
and before anyone uses the old cliche "you're not a true supporter, unless you support the team through thick and thin" well I've done that for the best part of 40 years. right at this moment I don't see why I should be duped into feeling guilty. Cleary the club and players don't, despite the drivel that spews forth from our custodians.
I think we are mugs, to just blindly turn up week in week out, as most of you no doubt will!
Supporting the team is supporting the Belgians. It is his team.
No, it's our team.
What benefit would season ticket holders nor turning up do, other than making our chances of staying up by winning at home even worse? As for catering, the large queues and terrible service are normally the reason why people don't buy anything, a few fans boycotting would just make it easier for the other fans to buy something.
As for everyone going to away games instead, hmm let's see how many people go to Huddersfield and Burnley away...
Today, I'm not angry, I'm upset. Upset that I've been forced in to a decision that means after 22 years, I won't be attending games until the current regime has finished with their experiment.
I'll still check-in and look out for our results and still consider myself a distant fan, but I refuse to line the pockets of a megalomaniac who has no interest in the well being of our club.
Experiment?!?! How about an alternate way to run a business? What you and countless other fans are advocating is that the owners should "pony-up" money for the "good of the club." This model put us into trouble in the first place. Instead of developing a sound business model that would sustain relegation Murray et. al. built up a Premier League infrastructure and wage bill could not be supported on revenue from the lower leagues. While it clear that Charlton require substantial funds to move forward who is going to pay for it remains the question. Murray et. al employed the benefactor model, Roland, I would argue, is employing more of a "moneyball" approach.
Studying the figures swissramble.blogspot.co.uk compiled even during the heydays of the Premier League revenue has been insufficient to cover costs. Losses need to be compensated by increasing commercial revenue or by profiting on player sales.
I would you and other loyal fans like myself to reconsider your position.
Today, I'm not angry, I'm upset. Upset that I've been forced in to a decision that means after 22 years, I won't be attending games until the current regime has finished with their experiment.
I'll still check-in and look out for our results and still consider myself a distant fan, but I refuse to line the pockets of a megalomaniac who has no interest in the well being of our club.
Experiment?!?! How about an alternate way to run a business? What you and countless other fans are advocating is that the owners should "pony-up" money for the "good of the club." This model put us into trouble in the first place. Instead of developing a sound business model that would sustain relegation Murray et. al. built up a Premier League infrastructure and wage bill could not be supported on revenue from the lower leagues. While it clear that Charlton require substantial funds to move forward who is going to pay for it remains the question. Murray et. al employed the benefactor model, Roland, I would argue, is employing more of a "moneyball" approach.
Studying the figures swissramble.blogspot.co.uk compiled even during the heydays of the Premier League revenue has been insufficient to cover costs. Losses need to be compensated by increasing commercial revenue or by profiting on player sales.
I would you and other loyal fans like myself to reconsider your position.
There is no strategy, grand plan or understanding about football - five managers in two years - poor decision after poor decision. Spin after spin, lie after lie, contempt after contempt. Continued uncertainty and mostly poor football - Sorry This is no " alternate" model but chaotic arrogance.
Boycotting the catering kiosks is, in my opinion, definitely the way to go.
Soon the time for talking will be over and some of us will need to begin planning.
That's one option, but not the answer.
I don't think we currently have any answers. The only thing we can do is start to probe and hope we find something that seems to hit the spot. I certainly think the catering is a great place to start. The club will not only feel it through reduced revenue share, but also because it will have the added bonus of the catering contractor giving them grief too.
I can see the headlines already 'Pie despair for Roland and Meire'.
Yes, but what's the point of the boycott ? What are you asking for ?
Boycotting for the sake of boycotting is pointless - there needs to be an end goal. Ultimately we probably want them to leave, but that's unlikely to be for a while (possibly a long time). In the meantime we need some realistic goals that will help re-establish the connection with the club that has been brutally severed for so many fans. Starting with the very achievable goals of the black & white campaign is a good start and the boycott of the kiosks could be one of the methods we use to achieve those goals.
So we boycott the food and drink, dont buy merchandise, dont buy programmes, dont go to matches, and then in January complain because no money has been spent on the team, and about the choice of beer and food available in the kiosks which are closed or understaffed.
Boycotting the catering kiosks is, in my opinion, definitely the way to go.
Soon the time for talking will be over and some of us will need to begin planning.
That's one option, but not the answer.
I don't think we currently have any answers. The only thing we can do is start to probe and hope we find something that seems to hit the spot. I certainly think the catering is a great place to start. The club will not only feel it through reduced revenue share, but also because it will have the added bonus of the catering contractor giving them grief too.
I can see the headlines already 'Pie despair for Roland and Meire'.
Yes, but what's the point of the boycott ? What are you asking for ?
Boycotting for the sake of boycotting is pointless - there needs to be an end goal. Ultimately we probably want them to leave, but that's unlikely to be for a while (possibly a long time). In the meantime we need some realistic goals that will help re-establish the connection with the club that has been brutally severed for so many fans. Starting with the very achievable goals of the black & white campaign is a good start and the boycott of the kiosks could be one of the methods we use to achieve those goals.
I think an initial boycott to show the depth of feeling is compatible with a longer term campaign of protest and that there should be an agenda to guide this. This needs planning, commitment and leadership.
Supporting the team is supporting the Belgians. It is his team.
No, it's our team.
What benefit would season ticket holders nor turning up do, other than making our chances of staying up by winning at home even worse? As for catering, the large queues and terrible service are normally the reason why people don't buy anything, a few fans boycotting would just make it easier for the other fans to buy something.
As for everyone going to away games instead, hmm let's see how many people go to Huddersfield and Burnley away...
well season ticket holders aren't making any difference at the moment, we're still losing. so not sure I understand your argument.
Boycotting the catering kiosks is, in my opinion, definitely the way to go.
Soon the time for talking will be over and some of us will need to begin planning.
That's one option, but not the answer.
I don't think we currently have any answers. The only thing we can do is start to probe and hope we find something that seems to hit the spot. I certainly think the catering is a great place to start. The club will not only feel it through reduced revenue share, but also because it will have the added bonus of the catering contractor giving them grief too.
I can see the headlines already 'Pie despair for Roland and Meire'.
Yes, but what's the point of the boycott ? What are you asking for ?
Boycotting for the sake of boycotting is pointless - there needs to be an end goal. Ultimately we probably want them to leave, but that's unlikely to be for a while (possibly a long time). In the meantime we need some realistic goals that will help re-establish the connection with the club that has been brutally severed for so many fans. Starting with the very achievable goals of the black & white campaign is a good start and the boycott of the kiosks could be one of the methods we use to achieve those goals.
I agree the Black and White campaign is a good starting point. For me I want clarity on their vision. I want to understand why they keep making the same mistakes over and over both in terms of player recruitment and manager appointments. I would like to find out what the big secret is, why are they actively avoiding a proper dialogue with the fans. These are my main worries right now.
The football is dire. The club hierarchy hold the fans in contempt. My discretionary income is limited. I can, for example see the men they couldn't hang for £20 with a guarantee of enjoyment. It's a no brainer for me.
Until the owners value me and my dosh it's going elsewhere.
So I have no plan to go to the game anyway as have family plans but can someone clarify for me if I would be allowed to if my plans change on the day ?
If I go, am I allowed to buy a programme, have a beer at H/T and wear non monochrome clothing ?
Should people not be able to do what they want to without a debate around who is right or wrong ? If you want to go then go, if it is upsetting to attend then don't go. If you want to hurl a stuffed badger onto pitch feel free and if you want to get book a table in a lounge crack on.
All these threads - "what can I do on Saturdays now", "This is the worst I've seen it in 249 years", "I'll never eat a Robin in the ground again".....just do what you want to do.
If the overall sentiment is for or against then it will show over time. What are the other Charlton fan boards trying to organise out of interest ?
In addition, in my opinion, if The Trust endorses or pushes any form of protest then they can say goodbye to dialogue with the club for pretty much ever, survey results or not.
So I have no plan to go to the game anyway as have family plans but can someone clarify for me if I would be allowed to if my plans change on the day ?
If I go, am I allowed to buy a programme, have a beer at H/T and wear non monochrome clothing ?
Should people not be able to do what they want to without a debate around who is right or wrong ? If you want to go then go, if it is upsetting to attend then don't go. If you want to hurl a stuffed badger onto pitch feel free and if you want to get book a table in a lounge crack on.
All these threads - "what can I do on Saturdays now", "This is the worst I've seen it in 249 years", "I'll never eat a Robin in the ground again".....just do what you want to do.
If the overall sentiment is for or against then it will show over time. What are the other Charlton fan boards trying to organise out of interest ?
In addition, in my opinion, if The Trust endorses or pushes any form of protest then they can say goodbye to dialogue with the club for pretty much ever, survey results or not.
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Having said that the Ipswich game at Home at the end of November is on the tele so that might be the best time to make a visual statement. If the Sky cameras came and there were no home fans here it would, I imagine, have the maximum embarrassment to those running the club. If it is done properly the Sky commentators, and the pundits, would have to mention it.
I'm not sure it would change much, but it would make people notice and none of us would have to miss the game as we could watch it on the tele!
http://www.supporters-direct.org/news-article/kidderminster-harriers-fc-to-support-hereford-fans-protest
I'd do it myself but I'm rubbish at art - got an Unclassified in my O' Level.
I can see the headlines already 'Pie despair for Roland and Meire'.
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I guess if you could paint a bit, you might be able to come up with something like this
And welcome back !
I find it very difficult not to feel I'm being shafted by club, staff and players and for that reason "I'm out"
and before anyone uses the old cliche "you're not a true supporter, unless you support the team through thick and thin" well I've done that for the best part of 40 years. right at this moment I don't see why I should be duped into feeling guilty. Cleary the club and players don't, despite the drivel that spews forth from our custodians.
I think we are mugs, to just blindly turn up week in week out, as most of you no doubt will!
What benefit would season ticket holders nor turning up do, other than making our chances of staying up by winning at home even worse? As for catering, the large queues and terrible service are normally the reason why people don't buy anything, a few fans boycotting would just make it easier for the other fans to buy something.
As for everyone going to away games instead, hmm let's see how many people go to Huddersfield and Burnley away...
Studying the figures swissramble.blogspot.co.uk compiled even during the heydays of the Premier League revenue has been insufficient to cover costs. Losses need to be compensated by increasing commercial revenue or by profiting on player sales.
I would you and other loyal fans like myself to reconsider your position.
Err no I will be boycotting.
Boycotting for the sake of boycotting is pointless - there needs to be an end goal. Ultimately we probably want them to leave, but that's unlikely to be for a while (possibly a long time). In the meantime we need some realistic goals that will help re-establish the connection with the club that has been brutally severed for so many fans. Starting with the very achievable goals of the black & white campaign is a good start and the boycott of the kiosks could be one of the methods we use to achieve those goals.
This needs planning, commitment and leadership.
I'll be back for the following game, so I'll be able to boycott that one instead.
Until the owners value me and my dosh it's going elsewhere.
If I go, am I allowed to buy a programme, have a beer at H/T and wear non monochrome clothing ?
Should people not be able to do what they want to without a debate around who is right or wrong ? If you want to go then go, if it is upsetting to attend then don't go. If you want to hurl a stuffed badger onto pitch feel free and if you want to get book a table in a lounge crack on.
All these threads - "what can I do on Saturdays now", "This is the worst I've seen it in 249 years", "I'll never eat a Robin in the ground again".....just do what you want to do.
If the overall sentiment is for or against then it will show over time. What are the other Charlton fan boards trying to organise out of interest ?
In addition, in my opinion, if The Trust endorses or pushes any form of protest then they can say goodbye to dialogue with the club for pretty much ever, survey results or not.
You know the rest.