Keith Peacock and Jason Euell would be a caretaker arrangement. Branding Fraeye as that is likely to be a way of easing him in in the hope a couple of results pacify the natives. Think Phil Parkinson in 2008. Murray went the opposite way wth Les Reed in 2006 and it backfired badly.
But what happens if the Fraeye appointment does not bring an improvement of results and Charlton go on a record run of not winning a game ? Would that result in a danger of Fraeye not getting the job.........
If that happens I wouldn't be surprised if he's kept on as a coach or scout to work with another new head coach.
who said they hate Fraeye? I wouldn't hate a nobody from a lower league from a smaller football nation taking over as head coach, bloody good on them for some how getting that out of thin air. My concern would be for the sanity of those giving him the job.
Keith Peacock and Jason Euell would be a caretaker arrangement. Branding Fraeye as that is likely to be a way of easing him in in the hope a couple of results pacify the natives. Think Phil Parkinson in 2008. Murray went the opposite way wth Les Reed in 2006 and it backfired badly.
But what happens if the Fraeye appointment does not bring an improvement of results and Charlton go on a record run of not winning a game ? Would that result in a danger of Fraeye not getting the job.........
Again see Phil Parkinson. I may be proven wrong but I don't believe in anything the Belgians say or do at this point.
Would never get a job at this level with his CV. So again we have to accept a sub-standard appointment that is crooked and can't operate on an biased and pro Charlton manner. It is clear the aims of Charlton FC on the pitch and rat and big nose in the board room are no longer united.
If KF was any good why has he been held back till now?
To those that say give him a chance, no I won't. He Represents the scum cnut that is our CEO. Fuck marie, fuck RD, they have zero respect for any Charlton fans.
We were warned about this and it seems liege fans were exactly right.
I'd be in full support of.any non violent protests at the Valley.
When RD made his 3 previous appointments as head coaches, there was in each case some cause for optimism that he was ambitious for the club:
- Riga had been coach of Standard Liege at the time of RD's purchase of the club. They finished 5th, RD hesitated over renewing Riga's rolling contract and, to RD's surprise, Riga thought he saw which way the wind was blowing and walked. Nevertheless, although only a temporary appointment to Charlton, he was clearly proven at a high level.
- Peeters was an up-and-coming young coach from elsewhere in the Belgian top flight, not a part of the network, which was in itself a positive sign that RD was not appointing another network elf. Again, proven to some extent at a high level and highly regarded, according to Belgian fans who came on this board.
- Luzon was head coach at Standard while RD was doing one of his squad fire sales (net sales about 20 million euros more than purchases). Therefore, while he was obviously one of RD's yes men, it was possible to have sympathy for him being RD's scapegoat with the Standard fans. I believe that is why RD removed him from the front line but kept him in his employment, rather than sacking him outright as a failure, as you would normally expect in football. Again, coached at a high level and deserving of a chance.
What are we getting now? It feels like RD has gone to the cupboard where he keeps his little elves and, oh dear, apart from the one with no head and the one that keeps falling over, there's just Karel left. He'll have to do... for now. The only serious expectation for Fraeye is that his target will be to keep us in the Championship for another season. With three quarters of the season to go and 99 points still to play for, that's a very limited ambition.
When RD made his 3 previous appointments as head coaches, there was in each case some cause for optimism that he was ambitious for the club:
- Riga had been coach of Standard Liege at the time of RD's purchase of the club. They finished 5th, RD hesitated over renewing Riga's rolling contract and, to RD's surprise, Riga thought he saw which way the wind was blowing and walked. Nevertheless, although only a temporary appointment to Charlton, he was clearly proven at a high level.
- Peeters was an up-and-coming young coach from elsewhere in the Belgian top flight, not a part of the network, which was in itself a positive sign that RD was not appointing another network elf. Again, proven to some extent at a high level and highly regarded, according to Belgian fans who came on this board.
- Luzon was head coach at Standard while RD was doing one of his squad fire sales (net sales about 20 million euros more than purchases). Therefore, while he was obviously one of RD's yes men, it was possible to have sympathy for him being RD's scapegoat with the Standard fans. I believe that is why RD removed him from the front line but kept him in his employment, rather than sacking him outright as a failure, as you would normally expect in football. Again, coached at a high level and deserving of a chance.
What are we getting now? It feels like RD has gone to the cupboard where he keeps his little elves and, oh dear, apart from the one with no head and the one that keeps falling over, there's just Karel left. He'll have to do... for now. The only serious expectation for Fraeye is that his target will be to keep us in the Championship for another season. With three quarters of the season to go and 99 points still to play for, that's a very limited ambition.
Another manager with no experience of English league should not be an option. I have nothing against Fraeye, yes he was assistant under Riga, but we need someone with at least League One experience, not someone who has only managed a 3rd division Belgian team. Doesn't mean they have to be English or even British as there are many foreign managers in the English game. They just have to understand the game in this country.
In all honesty though we know it's going to be someone the fans don't approve of so not sure why we bother venting our opinions to the club. Oh yeah it makes us feel better. They don't listen and they won't break from this flaming network model which I used to back because I could see potential. I can't anymore.
Did Klopp , Wenger, all the Watford Italians , shall I go on have exoeranice of English league before they joined ??
Or Peeters and Luzon, as other examples I can think of...
The best example in this case is Christian Gross
Jozef Venglos?
Another good one. Just goes to show this sort of thing was going on even before the advent of the premiership!
I still don't understand why Fraeye would leave a permanent role for a short term position, I can't possibly imagine that he's only going to be on a six/seven month contract regardless of what nonsense KM comes out with.
I am not 100% sure he is from Belgium, he may have grown up in the former Yugoslavia. His first name is a Slavic version of Charles which is how he introduced himself to me, presumably he thought I would 'understand' Charles more easily than Karel.
Karel is a proper Flemish name, equivalent to Charles. Carolus Magnus is Karel de Grote or Charlemagne to you. A bit like the scandinavian "Carl" and pronounced in a similar way. I do understand you'd prefer the likes of Joseph Mourinho ...
I am not 100% sure he is from Belgium, he may have grown up in the former Yugoslavia. His first name is a Slavic version of Charles which is how he introduced himself to me, presumably he thought I would 'understand' Charles more easily than Karel.
Karel is a proper Flemish name, equivalent to Charles. Carolus Magnus is Karel de Grote or Charlemagne to you. A bit like the scandinavian "Carl" and pronounced in a similar way. I do understand you'd prefer the likes of Joseph Mourinho ...
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Do you think he is ready to manage, sorry coach, an English Championship club?
I am not 100% sure he is from Belgium, he may have grown up in the former Yugoslavia. His first name is a Slavic version of Charles which is how he introduced himself to me, presumably he thought I would 'understand' Charles more easily than Karel.
Karel is a proper Flemish name, equivalent to Charles. Carolus Magnus is Karel de Grote or Charlemagne to you. A bit like the scandinavian "Carl" and pronounced in a similar way. I do understand you'd prefer the likes of Joseph Mourinho ...
I think it would be a disgrace if he wasn't, it's probably the only thing that KM can sell Karel to the Charlton fans with, we're a shambles of epic portions, I just cant believe how poorly we are run, it's like make it up,as you go along tactics, no foresight what so ever.
This is why there was no point in getting rid of Luzon It's a like for like replacement, one useless network no mark for another It's been said a thousand times already, but I will say it again. Wise up Roland or get out of our club
Obviously no one wants either, but out of interest, which of the two front runners would you prefer? Malky or Fraeye.
Forget the others - they are non existent.
I'd pick Malky. Don't get me wrong, I don't want him at all, but anything to break the mould of this pathetic network bollocks. Even if it will only be for a couple of months
I am not 100% sure he is from Belgium, he may have grown up in the former Yugoslavia. His first name is a Slavic version of Charles which is how he introduced himself to me, presumably he thought I would 'understand' Charles more easily than Karel.
Karel is a proper Flemish name, equivalent to Charles. Carolus Magnus is Karel de Grote or Charlemagne to you. A bit like the scandinavian "Carl" and pronounced in a similar way. I do understand you'd prefer the likes of Joseph Mourinho ...
Skywalker
Do you think he is ready to manage, sorry coach, an English Championship club?
I am not 100% sure he is from Belgium, he may have grown up in the former Yugoslavia. His first name is a Slavic version of Charles which is how he introduced himself to me, presumably he thought I would 'understand' Charles more easily than Karel.
Karel is a proper Flemish name, equivalent to Charles. Carolus Magnus is Karel de Grote or Charlemagne to you. A bit like the scandinavian "Carl" and pronounced in a similar way. I do understand you'd prefer the likes of Joseph Mourinho ...
Skywalker
Do you think he is ready to manage, sorry coach, an English Championship club?
I think you'll be better off with Karel than with that clown Luzon. But in the end even Sir Alex Furguson wouldn't be able to have results without the proper players. And ENOUGH players in case half the team gets injured ! On a positive side, whenever RD assigned a new coach, he also provided a couple of new players. So ... frankly, I've got no clue if Karel is really up to the job. He's a good tactician, but you need someone with enough authority over a bunch of young kids (getting nice pay checks every month). And RD needs to find a new job for Katrien .... She doesn't have the talent to run a British, Belgian or Japanese football club.
I've come to terms with it all now. I'm looking forward to next season with new players, manger and hopefully a new owner. Then a push for promotion back to the Championship. We booked our place in the bottom 3 in October and we really haven't got the players, nous or financial backing to get out of it.
Even in the Pardew day we had a better chance,we had lots and lots of players. We will go down and it will make Pardew's efforts look like he gave shit.
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I don't think we have anything to rally round with the first team at the moment.
We need good leadership desperately.
Would never get a job at this level with his CV. So again we have to accept a sub-standard appointment that is crooked and can't operate on an biased and pro Charlton manner. It is clear the aims of Charlton FC on the pitch and rat and big nose in the board room are no longer united.
If KF was any good why has he been held back till now?
To those that say give him a chance, no I won't. He Represents the scum cnut that is our CEO. Fuck marie, fuck RD, they have zero respect for any Charlton fans.
We were warned about this and it seems liege fans were exactly right.
I'd be in full support of.any non violent protests at the Valley.
- Riga had been coach of Standard Liege at the time of RD's purchase of the club. They finished 5th, RD hesitated over renewing Riga's rolling contract and, to RD's surprise, Riga thought he saw which way the wind was blowing and walked. Nevertheless, although only a temporary appointment to Charlton, he was clearly proven at a high level.
- Peeters was an up-and-coming young coach from elsewhere in the Belgian top flight, not a part of the network, which was in itself a positive sign that RD was not appointing another network elf. Again, proven to some extent at a high level and highly regarded, according to Belgian fans who came on this board.
- Luzon was head coach at Standard while RD was doing one of his squad fire sales (net sales about 20 million euros more than purchases). Therefore, while he was obviously one of RD's yes men, it was possible to have sympathy for him being RD's scapegoat with the Standard fans. I believe that is why RD removed him from the front line but kept him in his employment, rather than sacking him outright as a failure, as you would normally expect in football. Again, coached at a high level and deserving of a chance.
What are we getting now? It feels like RD has gone to the cupboard where he keeps his little elves and, oh dear, apart from the one with no head and the one that keeps falling over, there's just Karel left. He'll have to do... for now. The only serious expectation for Fraeye is that his target will be to keep us in the Championship for another season. With three quarters of the season to go and 99 points still to play for, that's a very limited ambition.
Meh.
Do you think he is ready to manage, sorry coach, an English Championship club?
It's a like for like replacement, one useless network no mark for another
It's been said a thousand times already, but I will say it again.
Wise up Roland or get out of our club
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AD_Alcorcón#Managers
Malky or Fraeye.
Forget the others - they are non existent.
So ... frankly, I've got no clue if Karel is really up to the job. He's a good tactician, but you need someone with enough authority over a bunch of young kids (getting nice pay checks every month). And RD needs to find a new job for Katrien .... She doesn't have the talent to run a British, Belgian or Japanese football club.
We booked our place in the bottom 3 in October and we really haven't got the players, nous or financial backing to get out of it.
Even in the Pardew day we had a better chance,we had lots and lots of players. We will go down and it will make Pardew's efforts look like he gave shit.