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The injury excuse, does it stand up?

Now that this has become KM and Luzon's main reason for our failings it is worth looking at the nature of our injury problem.

It may be bad luck, or it could be because we have recruited or retained players who are not physically or mentally prepared for the rigours of Championship football.

So taking the main injuries one by one:

Henderson-injury prone and has never played more than 30 games in a season
Makionek-already played more games this season than in the whole of last season, so probably not ready for a full Championship season
Kashi- only played 15 games last season and new to the Championship
Vetokele- not been fit for a year now
Jackson- unlikely to play more than a supporting role due to age and injuries
Moussa- recovering from a serious injury

Ceballos and Reza are peripheral squad members who fit or not would not be expected to make much of an impact.

It is also worth noting that the uninjured ones (fingers crossed) are the ones who had a full season last year either with us or elsewhere:

Pope, Solly,Bauer, Fox, Gudmundsson,Watt and Cousins

Looked at like this it is not surprising that our injury list is long and that those who have been arguing for more players with Championship experience may have a good case on that basis alone.
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  • Only on one leg.
  • Its not the injuries that is the problem, but the lack of depth in the squad. Big Mak & Watt get injured & who do we have up front - KAG who has less than 20 first team games behind him & ???

    Also having both Moussa & Celabos out injured means we have no width on the left

    We can just about put out a decent 11 - but the bench is too weak & lacks any experience or game changers )except when jj is there)
  • Nearly every single summer signing has picked up an injury that's kept them out for a while. It's probably the reason we get them so cheap.
  • Makienok played regularly at Brondby by the looks of things so was never injury prone there... If anything he was simply frozen out of the Squad @ Palermo which means his body is having to get used to the exercise every week again.

    Kashi played 22-games last season according to TransferMarket

    Henderson granted he is injury prone but he was never a Guy Luzon signing

    Vetokele... Again another player who wasnt signed by Luzon yet previously his record per season was 43-matches (2014/15) / 35-matches (2013/14) / 23-matches (2012/13) so he could be like Watt, someone who has never been injured before so is struggling to get over it
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  • Not just a bigger squad, but one with enough resilience for the Championship. Another bunch of players who will break down after 5 games is no use (and you might say the same about the managers as well)
  • I blame the injuries completely.

    Should we have a bigger squad?... Yes, Guy wanted one but couldn't get any more signings before the deadline.
  • Injuries are a reason. What is more of a mystery is what those injuries are and how long it is taking for players to recover.
    I want to be wrong, but there is something about Igor and Kashi being injured that troubles me. I certainly think that an on fire Igor and Ahmed would transform us.
  • The injuries have played a massive part in the current decline, no question. The bollocks that goes on off the pitch an even bigger part.
  • colin1961 said:

    The championship is a hard league the demands must be a shock to the body if your not use to it ...
    I remember Vetokeke saying that he found it very tough over Xmas because he had never played over the Xmas period before.

    Models himself on Danny Mills ?

  • It's fine to be a Luzon reasoning, and he is right to some degree. But Katrien Meire has no excuse. It's her fault we have a squad that can't cope with a Championship schedule.

    Katrien or Roland? It's his money that would pay for the extra signings we needed.
  • edited October 2015

    In the summer I support Sussex at cricket. Sussex made the same mistake in blaming injuries which were as serious as Charlton's. Sussex deservedly were relegated from Division 1 of the County Chsmpionship. Yes, injuries made things difficult but some others seriously underperformed and the team didn't look cohesive. I feel the problem at Charlton is partly injuries, but some of the senior players need to stand up and shoulder extra responsibility. Cohesion in the squad seems to be at a low. As things stand, I can't help feeling that the injuries are a problem but there is more to it than that. Saying 'if we had our best 11' we would in the top few does not feel 100% right to me, I am afraid.

    Injuries have done for us, but like you say that is only part of the problem.
    The idea of a squad is that you are generally prepared for injuries and loss of form.
    If the squad is insufficient or lacking quality then that is a problem, not just the injuries per se.

    There is also the issue of the coach motivating and organising the players that he does have at his disposal.
    On Tuesday Simon Grayson succeeded where Guy Luzon failed.
    Tony Watt and JBG for the most part haven't been injured - yet Watt is labouring and JBG has lost his mojo.
    These are our best players and have been mostly available during this injury "crisis"
  • In the summer I support Sussex at cricket. Sussex made the same mistake in blaming injuries which were as serious as Charlton's. Sussex deservedly were relegated from Division 1 of the County Chsmpionship. Yes, injuries made things difficult but some others seriously underperformed and the team didn't look cohesive. I feel the problem at Charlton is partly injuries, but some of the senior players need to stand up and shoulder extra responsibility. Cohesion in the squad seems to be at a low. As things stand, I can't help feeling that the injuries are a problem but there is more to it than that. Saying 'if we had our best 11' we would in the top few does not feel 100% right to me, I am afraid.

    Injuries have done for us, but like you say that is only part of the problem.
    The idea of a squad is that you are generally prepared for injuries and loss of form.
    If the squad is insufficient or lacking quality then that is a problem, not just the injuries per se.

    There is also the issue of the coach motivating and organising the players that he does have at his disposal.
    On Tuesday Simon Grayson succeeded where Guy Luzon failed.
    Tony Watt and JBG for the most part haven't been injured - yet Watt is labouring and JBG has lost his mojo.
    These are our best players and have been mostly available during this injury "crisis"
    Henderson being injured has had a massive effect on our results. He's probably even more important than JBG & Watt.
  • Manager under pressure.
    Fans beginning to question the manager’s ability.
    Team not won for six games.
    Manager blaming injuries.
    Guy Luzon?
    Mick Mcarthy Ipswich.
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  • In the summer I support Sussex at cricket. Sussex made the same mistake in blaming injuries which were as serious as Charlton's. Sussex deservedly were relegated from Division 1 of the County Chsmpionship. Yes, injuries made things difficult but some others seriously underperformed and the team didn't look cohesive. I feel the problem at Charlton is partly injuries, but some of the senior players need to stand up and shoulder extra responsibility. Cohesion in the squad seems to be at a low. As things stand, I can't help feeling that the injuries are a problem but there is more to it than that. Saying 'if we had our best 11' we would in the top few does not feel 100% right to me, I am afraid.

    Injuries have done for us, but like you say that is only part of the problem.
    The idea of a squad is that you are generally prepared for injuries and loss of form.
    If the squad is insufficient or lacking quality then that is a problem, not just the injuries per se.

    There is also the issue of the coach motivating and organising the players that he does have at his disposal.
    On Tuesday Simon Grayson succeeded where Guy Luzon failed.
    Tony Watt and JBG for the most part haven't been injured - yet Watt is labouring and JBG has lost his mojo.
    These are our best players and have been mostly available during this injury "crisis"
    Henderson being injured has had a massive effect on our results. He's probably even more important than JBG & Watt.
    Indeed, but if you take that view then the implication is that Pope is an inadequate replacement which then begs the question, why has this been allowed to happen?
    Again, there is a bigger problem than just the injury.
  • I can't understand why we've sent players out on loan without being able to recall them when we got a small squad.weve sent them out to balance the books but now we got injuries we should just recall them. I know some of you are going to say harriot for example isn't good enough for championship but. How many of us would put Holmes Dennis on left wing instead of harriot on Tuesday. Piggot is more of a target player like Big Mac than Kag and watt.we have like sent out our u21 players on loan and put our u18 players in the first team. I bet that done Holmes Dennis the world of good Tuesday not. Dosnt make sense to me. Also how much money has the Everton kid cost in our budget because he is no better than Harriot.
  • We have been terribly unlucky with injuries but that still doesn't excuse the dreadful performances of the past few weeks, especially the one against Preston. I said on the post match views that a non-league team would have made a better fist of that game even if just in terms of organisation and fight - I still think the same.
  • Davo55 said:

    We have been terribly unlucky with injuries but that still doesn't excuse the dreadful performances of the past few weeks, especially the one against Preston. I said on the post match views that a non-league team would have made a better fist of that game even if just in terms of organisation and fight - I still think the same.

    My original point in this discussion is that we may NOT have been unlucky with injuries, but that we bought in or retained players who simply cannot cope with 50 games in a Championship season. Henderson for example has been injured for large parts of his career. Relying on him and others to come back, stay fit and transform the team may sadly be unrealistic.
  • Southbank said:

    Davo55 said:

    We have been terribly unlucky with injuries but that still doesn't excuse the dreadful performances of the past few weeks, especially the one against Preston. I said on the post match views that a non-league team would have made a better fist of that game even if just in terms of organisation and fight - I still think the same.

    My original point in this discussion is that we may NOT have been unlucky with injuries, but that we bought in or retained players who simply cannot cope with 50 games in a Championship season. Henderson for example has been injured for large parts of his career. Relying on him and others to come back, stay fit and transform the team may sadly be unrealistic.
    Yes, agree to a large extent.
  • Southbank said:

    Davo55 said:

    We have been terribly unlucky with injuries but that still doesn't excuse the dreadful performances of the past few weeks, especially the one against Preston. I said on the post match views that a non-league team would have made a better fist of that game even if just in terms of organisation and fight - I still think the same.

    My original point in this discussion is that we may NOT have been unlucky with injuries, but that we bought in or retained players who simply cannot cope with 50 games in a Championship season. Henderson for example has been injured for large parts of his career. Relying on him and others to come back, stay fit and transform the team may sadly be unrealistic.
    Hundred percent agree with this.

    We only have one professional right back on the books and unfortunately there is scepticism that he can play 40+ games a season.

  • The team are lucky because if i was Manager or owner, i would expect my team to do the fitness training in the morning and when on a bad run to be watching reruns of the horror shows in the a/noon to correct the mistakes on the field.

    I will say again we are a Pro team in the 2nd tier of the most popular league in the world not the Dog and Duck team from the Tandridge League.
    (apologies to the lads from the Dog and Duck who have to work for a living)
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