The difference between Luzon and the previous three managers, is that he's playing with players HE brought in. I think we are operating with a huge handicap when our owner, our CEO and our manager are "outsiders", probably the main reason we haven't been able to sign some targeted players.
I don't have a problem with guy. I supported him when he got the job and I still support him now. Yes we are on a bad run but it's not the 1sr time nor will it be the last bad run a Charlton manger will go on. I feel to many so called fans think we should be in the premiership but sadly that will not happen for a very long time. There is lots of work to be done on and off the pitch which will take time. Old owners and manger have left Charlton in a bad way and it needs fixing. But lots of fans just like to birch and moan about everything. You just need to relax and try to support the team. When our time comes again we will enjoy it
The reason we aren't doing well at the moment is because of the owners lack of investment in a proper squad to see us through the season. We've been unlucky with injuries and lack of any kind of decent cover means we are throwing kids in and hoping/expecting them to perform miracles. I'm not Luzon's biggest fan in general, but what has he got to work with? I don't blame the manager for our current predicament, we were doing well until all the injuries struck.
We've had 11 Managers in the last 11 years. That is a complete joke and offers no continuity but, there again, when there are every season wholesale changes to the squad, rather than allowing it to evolve, you won't get that continuity in any event.
By the end of January we will know whether Luzon has managed to make the most of the resources available to him and also whether RD is prepared to back him with additions to the squad that will strengthen our position. Until then (assuming we don't become detached at the bottom) Luzon should be allowed to get on with the job in hand.
I'm not sure Luzon got the squad he wanted, maybe a first XI although that could be a couple short of what he had in mind. Although he'll be the one to carry the can, I think any manager would struggle with a squad as thin as this one. And they used to call England the impossible job.....
I suspect if we keep losing Luzon has got a month at most, then we'll try and replicate last season. Having said that, Katrien has been at pains to tell us we're over budget so expect a smaller sticking plaster than 12 months ago.
The difference between Luzon and the previous three managers, is that he's playing with players HE brought in. I think we are operating with a huge handicap when our owner, our CEO and our manager are "outsiders", probably the main reason we haven't been able to sign some targeted players.
How do you know 'He' bought them in?
I personally think Luzon had very little to do with the incomers.
I like Guy and I don't think we're doing all that badly considering. But what we're seeing is the downside of Roland's hiring and firing style. It seems incredible that Luzon, after steadying the ship and comfortably avoiding relegation when he came in, then starting well the next season and hitting a bad patch when injuries struck, is already being thought of as being close to the edge, but that's what happens when your owner has previous. It means that the pressure on Guy ramps up because everybody is now looking over his shoulder for him and that won't help performances. I bet the players are shifting nervously already.
I think we are suffering from having so many players with little experience of the Championship. Once things start going wrong, that's when you need experienced players to steady the ship, players used to the intensity of English football. It takes time to get used to a new country, especially when tiredness creeps in after the initial opening games The summer of 2014, it's interesting that MORE of the players we signed had experience of British football, TBH, Bikey, Henderson, Moussa, whereas this summer the only player signed from a British club was Ba who had barely played for Sunderland.
To be honest you see a performance before a manager gets sacked where the team look unmotivated and unorganised and you just know that the managers lost it. Sitting there on Saturday at Cardiff I had that sense. If that had been a home game this thread would have been started days ago and would have hundreds of responses.
I think his dismissal of Callum Harriot ( along with the usual section of fans) is quite telling. We are desperate for an attacking winger and Luzon ships him out.
16 points from the last 16 league games....I suppose a case could be made for the last 7 games of last season being meaningless, but if we continue to bump along at a point a game he needs to go soon...
11 managers in 11 years....is that right?! Curbs Dowie Reed Pardew Parkinson Powell Riga Peeters Luzon
I'm not sure if they count, Peacock was caretaker before Powell, while for the terrible Watford match last January, weren't Matthews and Roberts in charge?
11 managers in 11 years....is that right?! Curbs Dowie Reed Pardew Parkinson Powell Riga Peeters Luzon
I'm not sure if they count, Peacock was caretaker before Powell, while for the terrible Watford match last January, weren't Matthews and Roberts in charge?
They don't count. They were not appointed as permanent managers.
We are hampered by injuries so his hands are tied if budget restrictions are to be believed. If all were fit we are still short at LW given the unfathomable loan of Harriott, short-comings of Bergditch and RD's failure to give us Bulot for nought. His methodology of counter-attacks has been negated by a lack of pace upfront and a curious target man who divides opinion. No plan B to date.
Man management issues with Igor, TWWW and CMessi will not help his cause along with JJ's non-appearances and discard of prior year regulars won't help, esp the Bikey freeze-out.
The usual lot will be calling for his head if Fulham roll us over on Saturday. We all know how football is now a days, if the poor run continues then Roland will look elsewhere. I like Luzon, and although what's happening on the pitch isn't entirely his fault, he will be the one who takes the blame
I have actually got to the point where I don't care about our manager. I loved Powell, I also loved Riga, but after the way they were both dismissed, I never really bothered getting interested in Peeters or Luzon as I felt we are now a club with nothing more than transitory managers.
RD may have done a lot for the club such as making sure we have a pitch, arent in administration and have good training facilities, in that sense he has brought great stability, but in terms of the emotional stability, thinking a footballer might still be there next year, thinking a manager might last more than 8-10 months, that has all completely gone. It's hard to really like players and managers when you think they may be off any minute.
So in terms of how long Luzon has left, I don't really care, there'll be another new guy who has a dead cat bounce run for between 3-10 games, there will then be a steady period of win loss draw, win loss draw. Then the wins will dry up and he will be sacked, then you can repeat. The only way I can see what I stated above being different is if he employs a female manager (maybe katrien if he runs out of others) at which point you can replace "he will be sacked" with "she will be sacked" ;-)
Riga... Was only ever on a Contract till the end of the season so was never sacked, I dont think he was given the job because of the way he likes to move on from jobs.
Peeters... Was a completely new Manager that had never worked with Roland before, the bust ups round the training ground didnt help.
Luzon... Roland never wanted to sack him as Manager of Liege, he was forced to sack him after pressure from the fans out there (Who with the Steven Defour banner, have a bit of a screw loose), even when Luzon was sacked he was kept in the network so Roland highly rates him
He'll be fine, were going through a dip in form but hopefully the next International Break after Fulham means we can regroup as a side.
11 managers in 11 years....is that right?! Curbs Dowie Reed Pardew Parkinson Powell Riga Peeters Luzon
I'm not sure if they count, Peacock was caretaker before Powell, while for the terrible Watford match last January, weren't Matthews and Roberts in charge?
They don't count. They were not appointed as permanent managers.
Guy Luzon 22 Jan, 2015 Present Damian Matthew 13 Jan, 2015 22 Jan, 2015 Bob Peeters 27 May, 2014 12 Jan, 2015 Jose Riga 11 Mar, 2014 27 May, 2014 Chris Powell 14 Jan, 2011 11 Mar, 2014 Keith Peacock 04 Jan, 2011 14 Jan, 2011 Phil Parkinson 24 Nov, 2008 04 Jan, 2011 Alan Pardew 26 Dec, 2006 22 Nov, 2008 Les Reed 14 Nov, 2006 23 Dec, 2006 Iain Dowie 30 May, 2006 13 Nov, 2006 Alan Curbishley 24 Jul, 1991 08 May, 2006 Steve Gritt 24 Jul, 1991 15 Jun, 1995 Lennie Lawrence 22 Nov, 1982 10 Jul, 1991 Ken Craggs 02 Jun, 1982 22 Nov, 1982 Alan Mullery 01 Jul, 1981 01 Jun, 1982 Mike Bailey 25 Mar, 1980 30 Jun, 1981 Andy Nelson 17 May, 1974 25 Mar, 1980 Theo Foley 01 Mar, 1970 23 Apr, 1974 Eddie Firmani 01 Sep, 1967 01 Mar, 1970 Bob Stokoe 01 Aug, 1965 01 Sep, 1967 Frank Hill 01 Nov, 1961 01 Aug, 1965 Jimmy Trotter 01 Sep, 1956 31 Oct, 1961 Jimmy Seed 01 May, 1933 01 Sep, 1956 Alex McFarlane 01 May, 1928 01 Dec, 1932 Albert Lindon 01 Jan, 1928 01 May, 1928 Alex McFarlane 01 May, 1925 01 Jan, 1927 Bill Rayner 01 Jun, 1920 01 May, 1925
The team wasn't managing itself during the Matthew/Peacock period! Bookmakers wouldn't settle any bets on them because their rules usually state "permanent" but that's not the argument.
But, for the sake of good order, let's call it nine in nine years (not 11 years as previously stated by me). We have to go back 50 years for the previous nine managers!
And of course should Luzon go in the next nine months it will be ten permanent Managers in ten years plus at least two (if not three) temporary ones.
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By the end of January we will know whether Luzon has managed to make the most of the resources available to him and also whether RD is prepared to back him with additions to the squad that will strengthen our position. Until then (assuming we don't become detached at the bottom) Luzon should be allowed to get on with the job in hand.
I suspect if we keep losing Luzon has got a month at most, then we'll try and replicate last season. Having said that, Katrien has been at pains to tell us we're over budget so expect a smaller sticking plaster than 12 months ago.
I personally think Luzon had very little to do with the incomers.
The summer of 2014, it's interesting that MORE of the players we signed had experience of British football, TBH, Bikey, Henderson, Moussa, whereas this summer the only player signed from a British club was Ba who had barely played for Sunderland.
I'm just not sure which game it will be.
Curbs
Dowie
Reed
Pardew
Parkinson
Powell
Riga
Peeters
Luzon
I rate Luzon and he's not to blame. It's all down to KM and RD.
Man management issues with Igor, TWWW and CMessi will not help his cause along with JJ's non-appearances and discard of prior year regulars won't help, esp the Bikey freeze-out.
RD may have done a lot for the club such as making sure we have a pitch, arent in administration and have good training facilities, in that sense he has brought great stability, but in terms of the emotional stability, thinking a footballer might still be there next year, thinking a manager might last more than 8-10 months, that has all completely gone. It's hard to really like players and managers when you think they may be off any minute.
So in terms of how long Luzon has left, I don't really care, there'll be another new guy who has a dead cat bounce run for between 3-10 games, there will then be a steady period of win loss draw, win loss draw. Then the wins will dry up and he will be sacked, then you can repeat. The only way I can see what I stated above being different is if he employs a female manager (maybe katrien if he runs out of others) at which point you can replace "he will be sacked" with "she will be sacked" ;-)
Riga... Was only ever on a Contract till the end of the season so was never sacked, I dont think he was given the job because of the way he likes to move on from jobs.
Peeters... Was a completely new Manager that had never worked with Roland before, the bust ups round the training ground didnt help.
Luzon... Roland never wanted to sack him as Manager of Liege, he was forced to sack him after pressure from the fans out there (Who with the Steven Defour banner, have a bit of a screw loose), even when Luzon was sacked he was kept in the network so Roland highly rates him
He'll be fine, were going through a dip in form but hopefully the next International Break after Fulham means we can regroup as a side.
Damian Matthew 13 Jan, 2015 22 Jan, 2015
Bob Peeters 27 May, 2014 12 Jan, 2015
Jose Riga 11 Mar, 2014 27 May, 2014
Chris Powell 14 Jan, 2011 11 Mar, 2014
Keith Peacock 04 Jan, 2011 14 Jan, 2011
Phil Parkinson 24 Nov, 2008 04 Jan, 2011
Alan Pardew 26 Dec, 2006 22 Nov, 2008
Les Reed 14 Nov, 2006 23 Dec, 2006
Iain Dowie 30 May, 2006 13 Nov, 2006
Alan Curbishley 24 Jul, 1991 08 May, 2006
Steve Gritt 24 Jul, 1991 15 Jun, 1995
Lennie Lawrence 22 Nov, 1982 10 Jul, 1991
Ken Craggs 02 Jun, 1982 22 Nov, 1982
Alan Mullery 01 Jul, 1981 01 Jun, 1982
Mike Bailey 25 Mar, 1980 30 Jun, 1981
Andy Nelson 17 May, 1974 25 Mar, 1980
Theo Foley 01 Mar, 1970 23 Apr, 1974
Eddie Firmani 01 Sep, 1967 01 Mar, 1970
Bob Stokoe 01 Aug, 1965 01 Sep, 1967
Frank Hill 01 Nov, 1961 01 Aug, 1965
Jimmy Trotter 01 Sep, 1956 31 Oct, 1961
Jimmy Seed 01 May, 1933 01 Sep, 1956
Alex McFarlane 01 May, 1928 01 Dec, 1932
Albert Lindon 01 Jan, 1928 01 May, 1928
Alex McFarlane 01 May, 1925 01 Jan, 1927
Bill Rayner 01 Jun, 1920 01 May, 1925
The team wasn't managing itself during the Matthew/Peacock period! Bookmakers wouldn't settle any bets on them because their rules usually state "permanent" but that's not the argument.
But, for the sake of good order, let's call it nine in nine years (not 11 years as previously stated by me). We have to go back 50 years for the previous nine managers!
And of course should Luzon go in the next nine months it will be ten permanent Managers in ten years plus at least two (if not three) temporary ones.