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Alzheimer's disease

My mum has been suffering from Alzheimer's now for the last 6 years, sadly this is coupled with vascular dementia. She is now 82, and for the last 3 years, has been living in a specialist home near New Eltham. I've not mentioned this before as she has been 'coping' (well as best a person can), but I drove down to see her today, and she has sadly deteriorated to beyond recognising she was my mum. During her lifetime she has raised 6 kids, mainly on her own as my old man worked away from home most of his life, he died 20 years ago, and she struggled to make ends meet. She was as hard as nails, and none of us crossed her, but we all had the uppermost respect for her. Today this sweet lady (never grew above 4' 11") was someone I didn't know, she hit out at me with her hands, swore at me with words I've never heard her say before in 60 years, and then became childlike asking for her mum like a 5 year old child.
As many of you know I breed and raise German Shepherds and when their time comes I'm allowed, by law, to stop their suffering. My mum is suffering, in her very few lucid moments she asks if she can go and be with the one love of her life...my old man....yet I cant help her. How sad do I feel where an old lady who never ever did anything wrong, in my eyes, had the strength to bring up 6 kids on her own during the 50's and 60's, encouraged me to go with my old man to The Valley to see the 'local' football team play after she had cooked sausage and mash for Saturday lunch is now reduced to not even a shadow of her former self? It's an emotive subject I know, but why do we have to see loved ones suffer that have no hope of cure or living any kind of life, I can only hope that this sweet lady is taken soon and allowed to die in her sleep. Thanks for reading and by the way, I love my mum xx We have made the arrangements with the home for her final hours, whenever they come, as we were asked to do, but now I wish that her final hours happen soon, her suffering is not dignified and she deserves better than this. Its a cruel world.
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  • Red , my thoughts are with you mate, it's bloody distressing seeing people we love dearly , suffering and becoming a shadow of their former self.

    I wish you and your mum some peace and relief to this situation.
  • It certainly is. My dad was the same and it was a great relief to all concerned when he finally died. Today i visited my mum in an old peoples home in Thamesmead, she's going the same way, she said she's been kidnapped and why hadn't i rescued her.
    Good luck Rm.
  • Don't really know what to say Red? Just brought a tear to my eye in all honesty. You're doing the best for your Mum though and that's what counts. Loving the reminiscent stuff also, she truly sounds like a top lass and reminds me of someone who always ensured that we had a good meal inside us before we headed out for the match. Best wishes mate.
  • A very sad story 'Redmidland' One i can empathise with, as I have a close relative in a similar position.
    Unfortunately those with power have decided that people should continue to live, even when their situation is irreversible. Even when their lives are without meaning and value.
    I hope I'm never in such a position. I hope when my time comes, I'll go quick. The thought of living on, when all true life has gone, appals me.
    I hold no religous belief. I feel It's my right to end my life when i wish (assuming it doesn't happen suddenly)
    No one has the right to force anyone else to live on. Sadly those with power refuse to acknowledge this.
  • I share your sentiments Red. My father died of Alzheimer's in 2004 after a painful end to his life. 18 months ago my mother was diagnosed with the same distressing disease. I am now watching her steady decline day after day. You are not alone.
  • Daggs said:

    A very sad story 'Redmidland' One i can empathise with, as I have a close relative in a similar position.
    Unfortunately those with power have decided that people should continue to live, even when their situation is irreversible. Even when their lives are without meaning and value.
    I hope I'm never in such a position. I hope when my time comes, I'll go quick. The thought of living on, when all true life has gone, appals me.
    I hold no religous belief. I feel It's my right to end my life when i wish (assuming it doesn't happen suddenly)
    No one has the right to force anyone else to live on. Sadly those with power refuse to acknowledge this.

    @Daggs I'm slightly different, I do have my own religious beliefs, mainly COE but I don't go to church. My old man once said, when asked by the local vicar at New Eltham All Saints church, why he didn't attend on Sundays, his reply was excellent and true, he was away from his family most of the working week, took me to The Valley on Saturdays, and spent Sunday's cutting our elderly next door neighbours grass and tidying her garden. He said he didn't need to go and sing and pray on a Sunday, he was helping others!! The Vicar agreed and backed off, that's my religion as well. However I agree with you Daggs, and I have said to my wife and my sister, should I become like my mum is now "please promise you will shoot me". What we do is not human - its cruel and the people with power just don't see that.
  • LordDofB said:

    I share your sentiments Red. My father died of Alzheimer's in 2004 after a painful end to his life. 18 months ago my mother was diagnosed with the same distressing disease. I am now watching her steady decline day after day. You are not alone.

    Sorry to hear this @LordofB, I wish your mum peace. This is a nasty evil disease and many of us will contract it, the sad thing is she physically very well for an 82 year old, but her brain has gone. We have been told she may be like this for another 5 or more years yet will deteriorate as each day passes. The end, as I'm sure you know, is losing her senses one by one (the last one to go is hearing I believe) and then finally unable to breathe, that is just so cruel. God bless anyone who has a relative or friend in this situation.
  • I can empathise having seen my parents go through similar.

    It's not easy to see or deal with.

    I agree with Daggs that we should be able to end our lives when we choose or when our loved ones see that the person inside has gone.
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    best wishes Red. Can't be easy for you.
  • Horrible disease, a friend of ours has it (he was diagnosed with it at the age of 57) this was around 4 years ago and he is slowly deteriorating.....which is painful to see. Stay strong Red.
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  • I feel stupid making a glib comment on another thread about Alzheimer's. Such a horrible situation my thoughts are with you RM.
  • I can empathise having seen my parents go through similar.

    It's not easy to see or deal with.

    I agree with Daggs that we should be able to end our lives when we choose or when our loved ones see that the person inside has gone.

    Henry
    We can end our lives when we choose at our own hands (55 years ago that was still a crime!!) BUT your second point raises so many issues as, sadly, I can confirm from professional experience. This is not limited to Alzheimers but must include a range of devastating incurable illnesses such as CJD. What if all 'loved ones' don't agree? There is also a clear legal distinction between assisting someone to take their own life and actually doing the terminal act yourself 'on their behalf' although both are deemed criminal acts.
    There are legal and moral issues but our Parliament chose to ignore the suffering of those afflicted and their families when recently given the opportunity to do so. Of course not everyone so afflicted wishes to be assisted to die but our present stance of a blanket 'no' is IMHO (a favourite CL acronym) parliamentary cowardice.
  • Sorry to read that Redmidland, difficult times.

    My mother-in-law had a stroke Sunday night/Monday morning and managed to call me after being on the floor for hours. I got from Bromley to Woolwich in 20 mins. The ambulance took 40 mins and it was stationed at the end of her road. Apparently 6.10 am is not a good time to call an ambulance, as they are just changing shifts.

    Anyway, she's now in hospital mainly paralysed down her left hand side.

    Like I say, difficult times.
  • Dementia is a terrible illness

    I can empathise having seen my parents go through similar.

    It's not easy to see or deal with.

    I agree with Daggs that we should be able to end our lives when we choose or when our loved ones see that the person inside has gone.

    Henry
    We can end our lives when we choose at our own hands (55 years ago that was still a crime!!) BUT your second point raises so many issues as, sadly, I can confirm from professional experience. This is not limited to Alzheimers but must include a range of devastating incurable illnesses such as CJD. What if all 'loved ones' don't agree? There is also a clear legal distinction between assisting someone to take their own life and actually doing the terminal act yourself 'on their behalf' although both are deemed criminal acts.
    There are legal and moral issues but our Parliament chose to ignore the suffering of those afflicted and their families when recently given the opportunity to do so. Of course not everyone so afflicted wishes to be assisted to die but our present stance of a blanket 'no' is IMHO (a favourite CL acronym) parliamentary cowardice.
    This is not a simple issue and is too often depicted in black and white terms. It's not just about suffering it's also about certain people's lives being deemed as not worth saving. Euthanasia can be used far too widely and without proper safeguards the elderly and the disabled are put at risk.

    I've worked with numerous people with dementia and it's a terrible illness - as a society we need to devote more resources to the treatment of the condition and to provide adequate care. My heart goes out to all those families affected by it - it's not something you can prepare for.
  • Redmidland. I really feel your pain. I think I'm about the same age as you and I think as we get older we realize more and more what old age is like because we see more and more people going through it. And seldom is it pleasant towards the end. Smile, and think of the good times you've had with your good ol' mum. :smile:
  • it truly is dreadful watching someone you love suffer so much and yet needlessly.

    I watched an old girlfriend of mine die from throat cancer the beginning of last year and it was awful. I don't know where she got the strength to cope.

    she was given a year and lived for 5.

    I personally think it's undignified and unnecessary to prolong suffering even if the person is in no pain why prolong the inevitable? we should be allowed to choose how we die!

    my thoughts are with you redmidland.
  • It is a cruel and painful world. Working for the fireservice it scares me some of the people left to more or less fend for themselves or rely on neighbours. Yesterday we attended a sweet old lady that had attempted to boil a modern plastic kettle on her gas hob. Luckily she was ok, but it is a heart wrenching job and you feel awful for leaving.
  • It's a terrible terrible illness, I lost my Mum last year to it. She didn't really know any of her family for the last 18 months and the last few months she became a unrecognisable shell of the once strong/proud & funny person she once was.
    The more I think about it I did during that period wish something should be done to basically put her out of her misery, but now I realise that until the last few weeks she was not really suffering, she was actually quite happy in her little world.
    It was me who hated seeing her like that, I was the one looking for an end to seeing her not being the person she once was.

    What a do know is that this illness is affecting more and more people (just look at the numbers it's effected on this thread), yet there only seems to be one main charity while cancer has many................
  • Sorry to read that Redmidland, difficult times.

    My mother-in-law had a stroke Sunday night/Monday morning and managed to call me after being on the floor for hours. I got from Bromley to Woolwich in 20 mins. The ambulance took 40 mins and it was stationed at the end of her road. Apparently 6.10 am is not a good time to call an ambulance, as they are just changing shifts.

    Anyway, she's now in hospital mainly paralysed down her left hand side.

    Like I say, difficult times.

    Sorry to hear that @Covered End I hope your mum-in-law fully recovers.
  • I lost my dad last year, and my mum is now in a residence home in Whitstable. She was losing her memory for years, and without my dad was completely unable to be on her own. The neighbours helped when they could, bless 'em, but that's a bit of a buredn for the people next door. So now, with Alzheimers setting in, she's somewhere she does'nt want to be, and given her memory loss, can't see why she's there. The staff are great, the place is nice, and she has a sea view, but whenever I or my sister visit, she clearly feels betrayed. The worst of Alzheimers, as has been said, is that it changes the person you love, while quietly erasing their personality.
    I empathise totally with RedMidland here. She would have given her right arm to protect me and my sister, but there is very little we can do now the tables have turned and she needs help, and it's very distressing. However, I think a good part of the pain is actually suffered by the family , as it's a slow, inexorable road to death. At the minute, she's still with it, recognises me and my children, but every now and then, you get a jolt as a small comment reveals it's very much an ongoing process. If it happens to me, and I'm not in physical pain, I'll just sit in a chair and talk to the wall, and ask my family not to waste their time on someone who is'nt really there, but that's easier said than done. If you don't try, you feel like shit.
    I think you tend to hope to pass on at 102, quietly in your sleep, after a fun filled and sexually exciting 95 years, but that's not going to happen for most of us. In the meantime, you have to hope for the best, live, laugh love and be happy. But it's a tough old world.
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  • Dementia is a terrible illness

    I can empathise having seen my parents go through similar.

    It's not easy to see or deal with.

    I agree with Daggs that we should be able to end our lives when we choose or when our loved ones see that the person inside has gone.

    Henry
    We can end our lives when we choose at our own hands (55 years ago that was still a crime!!) BUT your second point raises so many issues as, sadly, I can confirm from professional experience. This is not limited to Alzheimers but must include a range of devastating incurable illnesses such as CJD. What if all 'loved ones' don't agree? There is also a clear legal distinction between assisting someone to take their own life and actually doing the terminal act yourself 'on their behalf' although both are deemed criminal acts.
    There are legal and moral issues but our Parliament chose to ignore the suffering of those afflicted and their families when recently given the opportunity to do so. Of course not everyone so afflicted wishes to be assisted to die but our present stance of a blanket 'no' is IMHO (a favourite CL acronym) parliamentary cowardice.
    This is not a simple issue and is too often depicted in black and white terms. It's not just about suffering it's also about certain people's lives being deemed as not worth saving. Euthanasia can be used far too widely and without proper safeguards the elderly and the disabled are put at risk.

    I've worked with numerous people with dementia and it's a terrible illness - as a society we need to devote more resources to the treatment of the condition and to provide adequate care. My heart goes out to all those families affected by it - it's not something you can prepare for.
    Very good post - while I agree in principle with euthanasia, it's a can of worms too - where is the line drawn, how is it policed etc?

    Sorry to read your post Red, dementia is such a cruel disease for those with it and their loved ones, I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
  • I can empathise having seen my parents go through similar.

    It's not easy to see or deal with.

    I agree with Daggs that we should be able to end our lives when we choose or when our loved ones see that the person inside has gone.

    Henry
    We can end our lives when we choose at our own hands (55 years ago that was still a crime!!) BUT your second point raises so many issues as, sadly, I can confirm from professional experience. This is not limited to Alzheimers but must include a range of devastating incurable illnesses such as CJD. What if all 'loved ones' don't agree? There is also a clear legal distinction between assisting someone to take their own life and actually doing the terminal act yourself 'on their behalf' although both are deemed criminal acts.
    There are legal and moral issues but our Parliament chose to ignore the suffering of those afflicted and their families when recently given the opportunity to do so. Of course not everyone so afflicted wishes to be assisted to die but our present stance of a blanket 'no' is IMHO (a favourite CL acronym) parliamentary cowardice.
    You are quite right. I simplified a very complex situation.

    Of course since the suicide act we can all choose to end our own lives but as you said the issue is with those that don't have the physical capability or who have lost the mental capacity to realise where they are.

    No easy answers.
  • Sorry to hear about your hard rending situation Red. My Mum had it too, I was "lucky" enough to be so far away that I couldn't visit her more than a handful of times in the two years or so she had it before the blessed relief of death stopped her suffering. I was grateful I didn't have to see her too often in that state, I don't mind admitting, I simply couldn't cope with it. Death with dignity is far preferable to the current situation, but once again "our" politicians seem to be out of touch with the thoughts of the majority.
  • My mum has been suffering from Alzheimer's now for the last 6 years, sadly this is coupled with vascular dementia. She is now 82, and for the last 3 years, has been living in a specialist home near New Eltham. I've not mentioned this before as she has been 'coping' (well as best a person can), but I drove down to see her today, and she has sadly deteriorated to beyond recognising she was my mum. During her lifetime she has raised 6 kids, mainly on her own as my old man worked away from home most of his life, he died 20 years ago, and she struggled to make ends meet. She was as hard as nails, and none of us crossed her, but we all had the uppermost respect for her. Today this sweet lady (never grew above 4' 11") was someone I didn't know, she hit out at me with her hands, swore at me with words I've never heard her say before in 60 years, and then became childlike asking for her mum like a 5 year old child.
    As many of you know I breed and raise German Shepherds and when their time comes I'm allowed, by law, to stop their suffering. My mum is suffering, in her very few lucid moments she asks if she can go and be with the one love of her life...my old man....yet I cant help her. How sad do I feel where an old lady who never ever did anything wrong, in my eyes, had the strength to bring up 6 kids on her own during the 50's and 60's, encouraged me to go with my old man to The Valley to see the 'local' football team play after she had cooked sausage and mash for Saturday lunch is now reduced to not even a shadow of her former self? It's an emotive subject I know, but why do we have to see loved ones suffer that have no hope of cure or living any kind of life, I can only hope that this sweet lady is taken soon and allowed to die in her sleep. Thanks for reading and by the way, I love my mum xx We have made the arrangements with the home for her final hours, whenever they come, as we were asked to do, but now I wish that her final hours happen soon, her suffering is not dignified and she deserves better than this. Its a cruel world.

    I was brought up by my grandparents and my nan suffered from this terrible illness.

    My thoughts are with you.
  • I can empathise having seen my parents go through similar.

    It's not easy to see or deal with.

    I agree with Daggs that we should be able to end our lives when we choose or when our loved ones see that the person inside has gone.

    Agreed 100%

    The anti-euthenasia brigade have not got a clue and many of them have probably never been in the position of seeing loved ones suffer. Who are they to judge?
  • I am so sorry to hear about your mum.

    My granny suffered with Alzheimer's which was so traumatic for her and painful for all her loved ones to see, especially my mum.

    I wish you and all your family well.
  • How many people have said "if my mind ever goes shoot me?" My nan always said that to me after she was taking care of her best friend Barbera (billy bonds mum) who we watched deteriorate before our eyes quite quickly, it started with things like not wanting "paper money" and only "real money" (coins) then she became over protective and paranoid with it then with herself, by the end she didn't know anyone, everyone was the enemy and wanted to hurt her she hit my nan quite a few times the whole thing took a lot out of her because her dear husband had passed and her waste of space son just left her to rot (a lot of people wondered why I hate billy bonds so much well this is why) it was a relief when she passed away for our family but it still devastated my nan.

    RM you are going through one of the hardest things any son could go through and you have my deepest sympathy, there's not much comfort I can offer you and I would hate to be in the same situation, but she may not recognise you 99% of the time but she is still in there deep behind the eyes and one day (they do have them sometimes even towards the end) she may be having a better day, you'll walk in and she'll say "hello son" I wish you all the best and pray for you for strength to get through this. God Bless x
  • Thank you for the kind words @sadiejane 1981. This thread has been a help, thanks all. I fear, as she is physically ok, that she will last for quite a while yet, and yes there are limited, just once yesterday, lucid moments where she looks and knows who you are and then 30 seconds later her mind 'flips' again and she is back in her twilight world and either being aggressive or a 5 year old girl crying because she has lost her mummy. She does not know that she has broken her shoulder, when she fell over a few weeks ago, the illness can in some cases kill pain receptors apparently, and with her it has which I suppose is a blessing. I hope in the future either a cure is found or assisted suicide is granted.
  • Best wishes to everyone coping with all sorts of difficulties. It's a small comfort to know that you can get through this as others are.
  • One thing to consider when your parents are getting on a bit is having their house and worldly goods put into your name. I know some will disagree but when the care has to be paid for, it soon puts a big dent into any savings or the sale of their house.
    About £1000 a week is the norm for Alzheimers care.
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