Right this Is a fcking carve up. Yes, Id be the first to admit I used more than enough carrier bags in Tesco, morrisons, Sainsburys whatever and used them as bins.
However, took my daughter shopping the other night for a bday treat and bought some new clothes etc.
Took the bundle to the till, £130 quid worth of clothes, 'Thank you sir, do you need a bag?' My first thought was well she aint gonna fcking wear them all now is she 'Errm, yes please' 'Ok , they are 5p each'
Just a fcking jump on the bandwagon joke.
Supermarkets, yes, clothes, toy shops, etc no, absolute piss take.
Tell them you'll pay 5p for the bag but want 5% discount on the clothes otherwise you leave without buying.
I think they should charge for all bags whatever they are made of and the fast food retailers should also be made to charge. This country is littered with rubbish and it infuriates me when driving and seeing bags of fast food wrappings dumped by the side of the road. We need to get tough on litter louts like Singapore.
f each one of their plastic bags holds on average £60 of clothes surely they could pay the tax themselves
I think they have to charge if it's a plastic bag, and they get a £200 fine if they don't.
Also found out that it's not a tax and the retailers don't have to give any money to the government. They can deduct "reasonable costs" from what revenue is collected and then have to give the rest to charity. I'm not a fan of this part.
However, the simple solution would be for clothes retailers to switch to paper bags, for which there is no cost. Supermarkets could also make available the boxes left over after packing the shelves as these could be used to hold groceries.
They don't have to give the money to charity if they so chose, although there is an expectation (whatever that means) from the government that they will, less the 1p VAT and any reasonable expenses they chose to deduct.
It's all about changing the behaviour of consumers, hence there is no exemption for expensive items i.e. that £20k Rolex that came in that fancy box must cost you £20,000.05 (now that's a conversation I'd like to overhear).
Due to frequent bouts of fuckwittery i regularly forget my "bag for life" when popping to the shops. I already have half a dozen fucking "bags for life" and counting and its only been two bloody weeks.
Where will i put all the fuckers?
Do i have them buried with me?
Is that the point people?
I believe various sea creatures like to wear them as necks scarves in the winter?
f each one of their plastic bags holds on average £60 of clothes surely they could pay the tax themselves
I think they have to charge if it's a plastic bag, and they get a £200 fine if they don't.
Also found out that it's not a tax and the retailers don't have to give any money to the government. They can deduct "reasonable costs" from what revenue is collected and then have to give the rest to charity. I'm not a fan of this part.
However, the simple solution would be for clothes retailers to switch to paper bags, for which there is no cost. Supermarkets could also make available the boxes left over after packing the shelves as these could be used to hold groceries.
The simple solution applied in Lidl stores for years.
What is all the fuss about with paying more for a 5p bag? If you had 5 bags worth of food which you buy weekly which is 25p, so in total you would only pay £1 extra a month.
Bring your own bag it's not rocket science.
Yes I agree but my point was Clothing stores, River Island, Next, etc charging you for a bag after you've spent £110 plus and still walk around advertising their brand. THEY should pay the 5p tax
Im not taking a fcking Asda bag for life to a Clothes shop, Ive got some self respect
I understand your point but that doesn't bother me in the slightest. If I am shopping in bluewater and I buy my first item, I always ask for a big bag so I can put my other items in if I am buying another item without having so many different bags to carry.
In our phone shop we HAVE to charge 5p for a plastic bag. It's the law. We have paper bags which we are able to use for free though.
The point of the law is that it isn't a tax. That's what some people aren't getting.
I'm sure businesses would happily take the hit of 5p on a £100+ purchase but it's meant to be paid by the purchaser, otherwise it doesn't work as a deterrent...
In our phone shop we HAVE to charge 5p for a plastic bag. It's the law. We have paper bags which we are able to use for free though.
The point of the law is that it isn't a tax. That's what some people aren't getting.
I'm sure businesses would happily take the hit of 5p on a £100+ purchase but it's meant to be paid by the purchaser, otherwise it doesn't work as a deterrent...
In our phone shop we HAVE to charge 5p for a plastic bag. It's the law. We have paper bags which we are able to use for free though.
The point of the law is that it isn't a tax. That's what some people aren't getting.
I'm sure businesses would happily take the hit of 5p on a £100+ purchase but it's meant to be paid by the purchaser, otherwise it doesn't work as a deterrent...
In our phone shop we HAVE to charge 5p for a plastic bag. It's the law. We have paper bags which we are able to use for free though.
The point of the law is that it isn't a tax. That's what some people aren't getting.
I'm sure businesses would happily take the hit of 5p on a £100+ purchase but it's meant to be paid by the purchaser, otherwise it doesn't work as a deterrent...
If I'd spent £100 + in your employers shop and wanted a bag that much, I'm afraid that 5p would cost your company the business.
Due to frequent bouts of fuckwittery i regularly forget my "bag for life" when popping to the shops. I already have half a dozen fucking "bags for life" and counting and its only been two bloody weeks.
Where will i put all the fuckers?
Do i have them buried with me?
Is that the point people?
I believe various sea creatures like to wear them as necks carves in the winter?
Did it again tonight!!!! Popped into Asda for some shopping... no "bag for life" FFS! No room in the cupboard so I threw them all out of the window, someone will clear them up!
In our phone shop we HAVE to charge 5p for a plastic bag. It's the law. We have paper bags which we are able to use for free though.
The point of the law is that it isn't a tax. That's what some people aren't getting.
I'm sure businesses would happily take the hit of 5p on a £100+ purchase but it's meant to be paid by the purchaser, otherwise it doesn't work as a deterrent...
Does the 5p include VAT?
Um I guess?? Logically it would. But then again... I'm not sure.
In our phone shop we HAVE to charge 5p for a plastic bag. It's the law. We have paper bags which we are able to use for free though.
The point of the law is that it isn't a tax. That's what some people aren't getting.
I'm sure businesses would happily take the hit of 5p on a £100+ purchase but it's meant to be paid by the purchaser, otherwise it doesn't work as a deterrent...
If I'd spent £100 + in your employers shop and wanted a bag that much, I'm afraid that 5p would cost your company the business.
Lucky we have the paper bags in that case. ;-)
But really, if we don't charge and we get caught, we're fined. If I don't charge and my manager finds out, I'm in the brown stuff.
In our phone shop we HAVE to charge 5p for a plastic bag. It's the law. We have paper bags which we are able to use for free though.
The point of the law is that it isn't a tax. That's what some people aren't getting.
I'm sure businesses would happily take the hit of 5p on a £100+ purchase but it's meant to be paid by the purchaser, otherwise it doesn't work as a deterrent...
Does the 5p include VAT?
Um I guess?? Logically it would. But then again... I'm not sure.
In our phone shop we HAVE to charge 5p for a plastic bag. It's the law. We have paper bags which we are able to use for free though.
The point of the law is that it isn't a tax. That's what some people aren't getting.
I'm sure businesses would happily take the hit of 5p on a £100+ purchase but it's meant to be paid by the purchaser, otherwise it doesn't work as a deterrent...
If I'd spent £100 + in your employers shop and wanted a bag that much, I'm afraid that 5p would cost your company the business.
Lucky we have the paper bags in that case. ;-)
But really, if we don't charge and we get caught, we're fined. If I don't charge and my manager finds out, I'm in the brown stuff.
Just charge them to show it on the till roll and have a bowl of 5ps on the counter and give the wink, job done
In our phone shop we HAVE to charge 5p for a plastic bag. It's the law. We have paper bags which we are able to use for free though.
The point of the law is that it isn't a tax. That's what some people aren't getting.
I'm sure businesses would happily take the hit of 5p on a £100+ purchase but it's meant to be paid by the purchaser, otherwise it doesn't work as a deterrent...
Does the 5p include VAT?
Yep, it does in England, Scotland and Wales. However, in Northern Ireland there is no VAT as over there they have a statutory "levy" , rather than a charge for a bag.
No idea why they did things differently over there. Crackers.
"Reasonable costs" that can be recovered by businesses from the plastic bag charge include the cost of training staff for the introduction of the charge. What sort of training do you need for "there's now a charge - every other shop has it too"? Are they planning away days?
In our phone shop we HAVE to charge 5p for a plastic bag. It's the law. We have paper bags which we are able to use for free though.
The point of the law is that it isn't a tax. That's what some people aren't getting.
I'm sure businesses would happily take the hit of 5p on a £100+ purchase but it's meant to be paid by the purchaser, otherwise it doesn't work as a deterrent...
Does the 5p include VAT?
Um I guess?? Logically it would. But then again... I'm not sure.
In our phone shop we HAVE to charge 5p for a plastic bag. It's the law. We have paper bags which we are able to use for free though.
The point of the law is that it isn't a tax. That's what some people aren't getting.
I'm sure businesses would happily take the hit of 5p on a £100+ purchase but it's meant to be paid by the purchaser, otherwise it doesn't work as a deterrent...
If I'd spent £100 + in your employers shop and wanted a bag that much, I'm afraid that 5p would cost your company the business.
Lucky we have the paper bags in that case. ;-)
But really, if we don't charge and we get caught, we're fined. If I don't charge and my manager finds out, I'm in the brown stuff.
f each one of their plastic bags holds on average £60 of clothes surely they could pay the tax themselves
I think they have to charge if it's a plastic bag, and they get a £200 fine if they don't.
Also found out that it's not a tax and the retailers don't have to give any money to the government. They can deduct "reasonable costs" from what revenue is collected and then have to give the rest to charity. I'm not a fan of this part.
However, the simple solution would be for clothes retailers to switch to paper bags, for which there is no cost. Supermarkets could also make available the boxes left over after packing the shelves as these could be used to hold groceries.
They don't have to give the money to charity if they so chose, although there is an expectation (whatever that means) from the government that they will, less the 1p VAT and any reasonable expenses they chose to deduct.
It's all about changing the behaviour of consumers, hence there is no exemption for expensive items i.e. that £20k Rolex that came in that fancy box must cost you £20,000.05 (now that's a conversation I'd like to overhear).
I'm not sure they put your new Rolex in a plastic bag mate!
"Reasonable costs" that can be recovered by businesses from the plastic bag charge include the cost of training staff for the introduction of the charge. What sort of training do you need for "there's now a charge - every other shop has it too"? Are they planning away days?
Except 5p has had significant effects in Scotland and Wales. 90% reduction in Asda plastic bag use in Scotland, 80% reduction in Morrisons within 6 months of charges starting, for example.
Surprising for a bleeding heart central like CL. Has no-one thought about the poor plastic bag? Out of favour, out of work after years of faithful service.
I'm lucky to have a short drive to work on rural roads but the rubbish along that route is getting worse and worse.
Yesterday morning I passed fly tipped black sacks in a passing place quite near to where I live. Along the route the verges had been cut the previous day and this revealed a huge amount of rubbish. A road-side nature reserve in an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty, which in the Summer was a mass of wild flowers was strewn with plastic bags, cans & bottles. I passed more black sacks dumped in passing places and when I got to work some scumbag had fly tipped a load of building waste on the verge opposite my employer's car park.
I'm in my late 50's and when I was young I never saw rubbish like this. I wonder why so many people these days think it acceptable to litter the countryside. It costs tax payers millions of pounds to clear up this rubbish, why can't people take their litter home and dispose of it correctly? The authorities need the will to take action against this anti social behaviour rather than accepting it and paying the costs of the clean-up.
Plastic bag charges should be much higher and the fines for littering greatly increased, perhaps this would make people think about their actions.
I agree it drives me mad that people can't hang onto their rubbish until they find a bin or take it home. Although saying that most bins in Beckenham are full of peoples household rubbish, why can't they put in their dustbin and wait for the bin men?
Maybe they should get some of these people doing community service to clear it up.
I agree it drives me mad that people can't hang onto their rubbish until they find a bin or take it home. Although saying that most bins in Beckenham are full of peoples household rubbish, why can't they put in their dustbin and wait for the bin men?
Maybe they should get some of these people doing community service to clear it up.
I'm lucky to have a short drive to work on rural roads but the rubbish along that route is getting worse and worse.
Yesterday morning I passed fly tipped black sacks in a passing place quite near to where I live. Along the route the verges had been cut the previous day and this revealed a huge amount of rubbish. A road-side nature reserve in an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty, which in the Summer was a mass of wild flowers was strewn with plastic bags, cans & bottles. I passed more black sacks dumped in passing places and when I got to work some scumbag had fly tipped a load of building waste on the verge opposite my employer's car park.
I'm in my late 50's and when I was young I never saw rubbish like this. I wonder why so many people these days think it acceptable to litter the countryside. It costs tax payers millions of pounds to clear up this rubbish, why can't people take their litter home and dispose of it correctly? The authorities need the will to take action against this anti social behaviour rather than accepting it and paying the costs of the clean-up.
Plastic bag charges should be much higher and the fines for littering greatly increased, perhaps this would make people think about their actions.
I suspect a lot of it is to do with Councils not taking commercial waste. So, if you are a builder and end up with a load of rubble, old bathroom fittings, etc, etc you have to pay a "licensed waste business" to get rid of your junk. It's expensive, so, if you're a cowboy builder, one way of getting in a competitive quote for a job is to cut corners and just dump the crap by the side of the road. Local council policy on this needs thinking about - I wouldn't be surprised if it costs them more to deal with fly-tipping than it would to accept commercial waste. (You also have to pay my local authority to take away larger items like sofas, so they, too, end up by the side of the road.) This must be the worst example ever - a mile long illegal dump! bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-30146968
Edited to add: in that case some individual homeowners got done for using a fly-tipper who posted leaflets through their doors. bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-33107726 3,000 tonnes of rubbish....
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It's all about changing the behaviour of consumers, hence there is no exemption for expensive items i.e. that £20k Rolex that came in that fancy box must cost you £20,000.05 (now that's a conversation I'd like to overhear).
The point of the law is that it isn't a tax. That's what some people aren't getting.
I'm sure businesses would happily take the hit of 5p on a £100+ purchase but it's meant to be paid by the purchaser, otherwise it doesn't work as a deterrent...
Does Katrien do a bit of moonlighting there?
:-)
But really, if we don't charge and we get caught, we're fined. If I don't charge and my manager finds out, I'm in the brown stuff.
No idea why they did things differently over there. Crackers.
"Reasonable costs" that can be recovered by businesses from the plastic bag charge include the cost of training staff for the introduction of the charge. What sort of training do you need for "there's now a charge - every other shop has it too"? Are they planning away days?
90% reduction in Asda plastic bag use in Scotland, 80% reduction in Morrisons within 6 months of charges starting, for example.
Yesterday morning I passed fly tipped black sacks in a passing place quite near to where I live. Along the route the verges had been cut the previous day and this revealed a huge amount of rubbish. A road-side nature reserve in an Area of Outstanding Natural Beauty, which in the Summer was a mass of wild flowers was strewn with plastic bags, cans & bottles. I passed more black sacks dumped in passing places and when I got to work some scumbag had fly tipped a load of building waste on the verge opposite my employer's car park.
I'm in my late 50's and when I was young I never saw rubbish like this. I wonder why so many people these days think it acceptable to litter the countryside. It costs tax payers millions of pounds to clear up this rubbish, why can't people take their litter home and dispose of it correctly? The authorities need the will to take action against this anti social behaviour rather than accepting it and paying the costs of the clean-up.
Plastic bag charges should be much higher and the fines for littering greatly increased, perhaps this would make people think about their actions.
Maybe they should get some of these people doing community service to clear it up.
That is an excellent idea.
Local council policy on this needs thinking about - I wouldn't be surprised if it costs them more to deal with fly-tipping than it would to accept commercial waste. (You also have to pay my local authority to take away larger items like sofas, so they, too, end up by the side of the road.) This must be the worst example ever - a mile long illegal dump! bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-30146968
Edited to add: in that case some individual homeowners got done for using a fly-tipper who posted leaflets through their doors. bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-33107726 3,000 tonnes of rubbish....