Sorry for starting a new thread but Wayne Rooney & Charlton were trending earlier on Twitter, haven't seen anything on Sky Sports but is he linked with us or something?
I always wanted Lineker to beat Sir Bobby's record but it doesn't seem quite the same with Rooney. I reckon I might have nicked a few goals against San Marino, Isle of Man, Scilly Isles or whatever.
I always wanted Lineker to beat Sir Bobby's record but it doesn't seem quite the same with Rooney. I reckon I might have nicked a few goals against San Marino, Isle of Man, Scilly Isles or whatever.
Yeh likewise and I wanted Owen to do it too. Rooney just isn't likeable and has never done anything marquee against the very best in the world; Charlton world cup winner, Lineker golden boot and scoring huge goals in 1990 as well, Owen a revelation in 98 and in the 5-1 against Germany (as well as European POY).
Surely you're glad that the nasally annoying git that is Owen didn't get the record Anyone but him With the relative success of palarse and that waffling one on BT sport I've watched a lot less football in the last few years
Rooney and (Bobby) Charlton Terry and Moore Tyson and Ali Daly and Nicklaus Pietersen and Hutton Blackpool and London Las Vegas and Paris Pepsi and Champagne
Rooney and (Bobby) Charlton Terry and Moore Tyson and Ali Daly and Nicklaus Pietersen and Hutton Blackpool and London Las Vegas and Paris Pepsi and Champagne
I could go on..
One Direction and The Beatles The Mighty Boosch and Monty Python Parkinson ITV 2000's and Parkinson BBC 1970's
I always wanted Lineker to beat Sir Bobby's record but it doesn't seem quite the same with Rooney. I reckon I might have nicked a few goals against San Marino, Isle of Man, Scilly Isles or whatever.
I reckon the gulf between the england team of Charltond era and those countries ranked 20/30 etc is bigger than the gulf between today's england team and the current teams ranked 20/30
The 2nd tier of countries these days is a lot higher standard than the 2nd tier in the 60's
Rooney and (Bobby) Charlton Terry and Moore Tyson and Ali Daly and Nicklaus Pietersen and Hutton Blackpool and London Las Vegas and Paris Pepsi and Champagne
Rooney and (Bobby) Charlton Terry and Moore Tyson and Ali Daly and Nicklaus Pietersen and Hutton Blackpool and London Las Vegas and Paris Pepsi and Champagne
Michael Owen doesn't endear himself much - he has no sense of humour, lives a rich man's life of horses and property and his voice is stupid. But I can't dislike him for that stuff. He was capable of scoring against anyone in the world. Anyone. We were so spoilt to have a steady stream of strikers from Lineker to Owen (in my time) that right now I get goosebumps thinking about going into a big game believing we had a chance. I wish Owen had a shot at the record.
Rooney, meanwhile, screwed up his approach to tournaments in every conceivable way. Injuries, bans, lack of fitness, distractions like an imminent hooker story breaking in the press, even him admitting going to Vegas for a pre-tournament holiday was a mistake in 2012.
He couldn't trap a bag of cement at 2006 or 2010 (Andy Carroll did better in a short cameo against the Italians in 2012 too). His record means absolutely nothing to me. It's cheap. If he and England find any success in 2016 then I won't see it as him proving doubters wrong; it'd be redemption for all his bullshit. And his crap hair.
Rooney is, and has been for years, a world class player, and if numbers are all that counts then he's the best.
But it's more than numbers surely. I would put both Lineker and Charlton ahead of Rooney on ability and bare in mind Charlton wasn't even an out and out striker. I've just read an article on the BBC website comparing Rooney to a number of England strikers from the past and unless I missed it there was no mention of Jimmy Greaves, in my opinion the greatest English striker in my lifetime.
Not that it matters to the record as you still have to put it in the back of the net, but i would be interested to see how many were penalties for both charlton and rooney
Rooney, meanwhile, screwed up his approach to tournaments in every conceivable way. Injuries, bans, lack of fitness, distractions like an imminent hooker story breaking in the press, even him admitting going to Vegas for a pre-tournament holiday was a mistake in 2012.
He couldn't trap a bag of cement at 2006 or 2010 (Andy Carroll did better in a short cameo against the Italians in 2012 too). His record means absolutely nothing to me. It's cheap. If he and England find any success in 2016 then I won't see it as him proving doubters wrong; it'd be redemption for all his bullshit. And his crap hair.
Reading your comments I couldn't help but wonder. It wasn't your granny was it?
Rooney 2012-15 as a top level player has been completely over rated in my opinion. His stock is higher simply due to his previous and the fact there is so little top name English competition at the moment.
Not saying he is poor or anything, but his form in recent years, and his history of performance at major championships mean there is a big cloud over him being an 'England great', despite now being the record goal scorer
The sad thing is that he could have been 'great'. Injuries robbed him of the explosive pace he had when he first broke into the England team and limited him at the highest level. He's done pretty well considering his setbacks.
Not that it matters to the record as you still have to put it in the back of the net, but i would be interested to see how many were penalties for both charlton and rooney
Six penalties for Rooney, not sure on Bobby Charlton
Not that it matters to the record as you still have to put it in the back of the net, but i would be interested to see how many were penalties for both charlton and rooney
Six penalties for Rooney, not sure on Bobby Charlton
Rooney 2012-15 as a top level player has been completely over rated in my opinion. His stock is higher simply due to his previous and the fact there is so little top name English competition at the moment.
Not saying he is poor or anything, but his form in recent years, and his history of performance at major championships mean there is a big cloud over him being an 'England great', despite now being the record goal scorer
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Anyone but him
With the relative success of palarse and that waffling one on BT sport I've watched a lot less football in the last few years
Rooney and (Bobby) Charlton
Terry and Moore
Tyson and Ali
Daly and Nicklaus
Pietersen and Hutton
Blackpool and London
Las Vegas and Paris
Pepsi and Champagne
I could go on..
The Mighty Boosch and Monty Python
Parkinson ITV 2000's and Parkinson BBC 1970's
The 2nd tier of countries these days is a lot higher standard than the 2nd tier in the 60's
Rooney deserves it. He's scored more goals than anyone else in an England shirt, it's that simple.
Rooney, meanwhile, screwed up his approach to tournaments in every conceivable way. Injuries, bans, lack of fitness, distractions like an imminent hooker story breaking in the press, even him admitting going to Vegas for a pre-tournament holiday was a mistake in 2012.
He couldn't trap a bag of cement at 2006 or 2010 (Andy Carroll did better in a short cameo against the Italians in 2012 too). His record means absolutely nothing to me. It's cheap. If he and England find any success in 2016 then I won't see it as him proving doubters wrong; it'd be redemption for all his bullshit. And his crap hair.
But it's more than numbers surely. I would put both Lineker and Charlton ahead of Rooney on ability and bare in mind Charlton wasn't even an out and out striker. I've just read an article on the BBC website comparing Rooney to a number of England strikers from the past and unless I missed it there was no mention of Jimmy Greaves, in my opinion the greatest English striker in my lifetime.
Not saying he is poor or anything, but his form in recent years, and his history of performance at major championships mean there is a big cloud over him being an 'England great', despite now being the record goal scorer
Its now a fact that Rooney has scored more goals in an England shirt than any other player and he should be commended for that.