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Have we ever pulled a number on a bigger club?

AFKABartramAFKABartram
in General Charlton
In terms of selling a home grown youngster with first team experience for more than what went on to be fair value for what we sold them for?

Shelvey - £1.7m later sold for £5m+
Jenkinson - £1m now valued at £12m
Parker - £10m went on to make another 300+ prem games
Konchesky - £1.5m, hugely undervalued
Bowyer - £2.3m, worth treble that within a couple of years
Lee - £700k

Can't think of a single instance we've sold a first team youngster up the scale for money who has then flopped / not reached value. Robbie Ellliot hasn't played much, but think newcastle only paid £100k.

Can you think of anyone?

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  • kentaddickkentaddick
    Sean Mcginty
  • harveys_gardenerharveys_gardener
    Sean McGinty £500k?
  • AFKABartramAFKABartram
    Did he play in first team??
  • Henry IrvingHenry Irving
    AFKABartram said:

    Did he play in first team??

    No, never got near it.
  • Brendan_O_ConnellBrendan_O_Connell
    edited June 2015
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  • BangkokaddickBangkokaddick
    Anthony Barness. Can't remember the price but Chelsea paid well over the top for him.
  • MartTheTaxiMartTheTaxi
    mickey bennett maybe . harsh on him as injury did for him eventually

    paul mortimer altho strictly not a youngster he never scaled the heights when he left us
  • AlgarveaddickAlgarveaddick
    edited June 2015
    Danny Mills? Bought for about £400k, sold to Leeds for £4m, okay played a 100 games for them over 4 seasons but went on a free.

    EDIT - Sorry, didn't read the home grown bit.
  • bobmunrobobmunro
    Bangkokaddick said:

    Anthony Barness. Can't remember the price but Chelsea paid well over the top for him.

    Sold him for 350k, brought him back for 165k.
  • AFKABartramAFKABartram
    Bangkokaddick said:

    Anthony Barness. Can't remember the price but Chelsea paid well over the top for him.

    £350k

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  • Charlton_StuCharlton_Stu
    Scott Minto? sold him to Chelsea £850,000
  • Henry IrvingHenry Irving
    Algarveaddick said:

    Danny Mills? Bought for about £400k, sold for £4m, okay played a 100 games for them over 4 seasons but went on a free.

    And played for England at the World Cup

    Free transfer was more to do with Leeds implosion that he ability.

    Still a ****** ****
  • CharltonparklaneCharltonparklane
    edited June 2015
    £1m for Kins wasnt bad business as he hardly played after e left us.

    Sorry, didn't notice the home grown part
  • bobmunrobobmunro
    What about Killer - 300k to Derby and then brought him back 3 years later via WHU for 100K (I think that was the fee).
  • cafcdave123cafcdave123
    Charltonparklane said:

    £1m for Kins wasnt bad business as he hardly played after e left us.

    I think that was a proper number on Villa as his knee's were fecked when he left us.
  • Addick AddictAddick Addict
    What did we get for Killer to Derby for and then pay for him from West Ham?
  • paulsturgesspaulsturgess
    Charlton_Stu said:

    Scott Minto? sold him to Chelsea £850,000

    He was a cup winner with Chelsea and although his contract ran out there he was subsequently sold later from Benfica to West Ham for £1m so don't think you can argue he was overpriced.
  • paulsturgesspaulsturgess
    Pitcher!! Not to a bigger club of course, but swapping him for Morts and Whytey was daylight robbery
  • Charlton_StuCharlton_Stu
    paulsturgess said:

    Charlton_Stu said:

    Scott Minto? sold him to Chelsea £850,000

    He was a cup winner with Chelsea and although his contract ran out there he was subsequently sold later from Benfica to West Ham for £1m so don't think you can argue he was overpriced.
    Sort of agree, although he only played about 50 games for Chelsea.

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  • newyorkaddicknewyorkaddick
    In the cases of Shelvey and Jenkinson, as with any young player there would have been considerable uncertainty about how well they could cut it at the top level (and thus their value at the time we sold them reflected this risk).

    After a couple of seasons of regular Premiership football, that risk is significantly reduced and their value increases accordingly (not dissimilar to what happens with the share price of a company).

  • AFKABartramAFKABartram
    but my point @newyorkaddick is that in evaluating that risk with hindsight, there hasn't been an instance yet (from our home grown sales with first team experience) where it has been proven that the buyer has attained poor value from our sale. Like say a Zaha going to Man U for £10m+, or a Bostock going to Spurs, for example.

    We've never really 'oversold' because you could argue we've never been in a strong enough position to oversell (say with Shelvey, Jenkinson).

    You would have hoped that with RD as our owner, we would be in that stronger position.
  • GarrymanilowGarrymanilow
    AFKABartram said:

    but my point @newyorkaddick is that in evaluating that risk with hindsight, there hasn't been an instance yet (from our home grown sales with first team experience) where it has been proven that the buyer has attained poor value from our sale. Like say a Zaha going to Man U for £10m+, or a Bostock going to Spurs, for example.

    We've never really 'oversold' because you could argue we've never been in a strong enough position to oversell (say with Shelvey, Jenkinson).

    You would have hoped that with RD as our owner, we would be in that stronger position.

    Remains to be seen what RD does with the money. I suppose if your plan isn't to reinvest in the squad then £3.5m is a pretty decent bit of money to make in an afternoon
  • newyorkaddicknewyorkaddick
    AFKABartram said:

    but my point @newyorkaddick is that in evaluating that risk with hindsight, there hasn't been an instance yet (from our home grown sales with first team experience) where it has been proven that the buyer has attained poor value from our sale. Like say a Zaha going to Man U for £10m+, or a Bostock going to Spurs, for example.

    We've never really 'oversold' because you could argue we've never been in a strong enough position to oversell (say with Shelvey, Jenkinson).

    You would have hoped that with RD as our owner, we would be in that stronger position.

    I think by definition these instances are very rare given the relative bargaining power you note above, and the fact that the top clubs have outstanding scouting networks (and are presumably also diligent about assessing 'character').

    It's worth reading The Nowhere Men for some insight into this whole area.
  • FiiishFiiish
    Not a home-grown youngster but selling Darren Bent for more than Thierry Henry went for in the same season is worth a mention.

    Scott Parker is fair enough I reckon. Chelski ended up losing 5million in the end if transfermarkt.co.uk is to be believed and he barely played for them. The fact that he ended up playing for other Prem clubs is a bit of a non-starter since if we had held onto him we probably would not have found ourselves being relegated so quickly or at all.
  • guinnessaddickguinnessaddick
    Killer to Derby for £333,333 and getting back, via West Ham, can't remember how much for.
  • carly burncarly burn
    Know he wasn't ours, but Bent to Spurs was a belter.
  • nth_london_addicknth_london_addick
    Riga to Blackpool the premier league giants
  • ChizzChizz
    Mike Flanagan
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