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Joe Gomez could provide a plan B

My initial reaction to the possibility of losing Joe was negative. I do think he is best staying with us and developing rather than bench warming in the premier league. But having a good think about the situation, if there is genuine competition to sign him from the biggest clubs in the country, we could use this to our advantage. Jenkinson's sale to Arsenal was a key factor in giving us the funds to finance a massive change in personnel which culminated in us winning the League One title. Now the Championship will be harder, but if we could secure say @ £12 million and a season loan back and used that money wisely and for a push, it could make things interesting. Maybe a little less and a subsidised loan of a top midfielder - we know Man City will have a few spare for instance.

What I am saying is, an opportunity to have a bit of a punt next season on the back of Gomez is possibly there. Of course the big clubs may decide to wait and see a bit more, but if there is real competition, they may want to tie him up quickly. Players like him don't come around very often. Plan A is going to be difficult with FFP being a bit of a dud, but this plan B could work.
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  • Our Premier League promotion was on the back of the sale of Lee Bowyer which allowed us to go into the transfer market and anmongst others we purchased Mnedonca and look where that led.
  • edited May 2015
    Right -The thing is, everything has to align. We may get good or even better money for Joe after next season, but we have JBG saying he is looking for signs of intent and we have a great platform now. Sometimes you don't take an opportunity when it is there and it is gone.
  • Playing Devils Advocate here.

    Lee Bowyer sale... We brought Clive Mendonca.

    Carl Jenkinson sale... We mainly brought in Free Transfers.

    Joe Gomez sale for £10m means that clubs will know we've money to spend so will demand higher fees for their players (Bournemouth did just that when we eventually signed Rhoys Wiggins) and I dont believe you can win the Championship on Free Transfers alone
  • edited May 2015
    Yes, true - but you can be smart about the deal and line up your targets before it gets done. Say £10m - keeping Joe, another strong loan from the buying club and two 3 million signings plus some decent frees. Think how much stronger we could be.
  • We'd better hope we get Joe back on loan because if it's true that we#re losing him, Ben Haim and Johnson we could spend all the money just stocking our back line. If we release too many players we'll spend it all just replenishing an already tiny squad so I think selling Gomez will only help us if we keep together what he have now
  • I was pleased Bikey seemed keen to stay. Was our best player for first 20 games and would be a useful squad player. Hope Luzon hasn't got anything against him.
  • Playing Devils Advocate here.

    Lee Bowyer sale... We brought Clive Mendonca.

    Carl Jenkinson sale... We mainly brought in Free Transfers.

    Joe Gomez sale for £10m means that clubs will know we've money to spend so will demand higher fees for their players (Bournemouth did just that when we eventually signed Rhoys Wiggins) and I dont believe you can win the Championship on Free Transfers alone

    but having a wealthy owner means we can afford to pay out £10 million in transfer fees, signing on fees etc before the transfer of gomez goes through? Risky obviously, but still an option.
  • You can ask the deal to be kept quiet for a few weeks for the reasons above too.
  • Depends how much he is worth to other clubs and how badly we need to sell as well.
    I remember Leeds selling Fabian Delph to Villa for around £8m, and our fans saying "Well, Jonjo Shelvey is worth more than that!".
    In the end, Shelvey was sold for a lot less.
  • edited May 2015
    Yes, to get a good price you need competition. And not to be desperate, which we are not. It has to be on our terms. Just speculating on a situation where it would suit us. And if you buy well, you could make even more money on teh deal anyway.
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  • I tend to agree that £10m spent on say five players AND keeping Gomez (back on loan) and retaining our other decent players should see us climb the table next time.
    The owner and his advisers have a lot of experience in securing players at this level from Ligue 2 and elsewhere around Europe.

    And a couple of loans from whoever secures Gomez wouldn't hurt either!
  • Will also depend heavily on how much of the fee is used on player acquisition and how much to offset costs. I'm sure that there will even be those that suggest that any money will be networked. I'm not sure one way or the other. However in principal I think you are right Mutts.
  • edited May 2015
    And it wouldn't cost the owner very much (in relation to the achievable riches) to take that punt. Which is what it would be of course. A player like Joe doesn't come about very often - it is unbelievable he is only 17. He will be some player and you would imagine this wont be lost on the big clubs. He will be worth more in a year or so, I'm sure but the opportunity to maximise the imp;act of the sale - which will happen at some point - may be now. The owner has to be open to the possibilities, it feels like a bit of a no brainer- as long as the interest and competition is genuinely there. I can't see how it wouldn't be to be honest.
  • That's providing our owner wants to put all the transfer money into the club and not in his pocket? As I'm sure that this network project is all about finding these little jewels and the rewards that goes with them!
    Hope I'm wrong
  • I don't like to see us continue to lose academy players but with Gomez's talent it's inevitable and if this time we can actually get the market value for one then I'd agree that we can stock up and even though he has looked good, this early in his career the loan back option probably isn't that necessary for us as the main reason for him getting game time now is to improve him for us rather than another team.

    With how Poyet, Jenkinson, Shelvey and Randolph all went though I still feel like we are going to get fleeced.
  • edited May 2015
    I think the loan back would be an essential part of the deal. It would be best for Joe and the buying club too - he doesn't need a new environment at his age - just focus on improving and learning in a great division to do that. The owner could see just the money but surely he is clever enough to spot an opportunity when it opens up.
  • That's providing our owner wants to put all the transfer money into the club and not in his pocket? As I'm sure that this network project is all about finding these little jewels and the rewards that goes with them!
    Hope I'm wrong

    Maybe but I've never bought into the idea that RD is in it to trouser money. The man is worth at least half a billion and some suggest a lot more. He doesn't need money. I think we and his other clubs are part of an experiment to prove to himself and others that football doesn't have to be a money pit to remain successful. What his measure of success is though I have no idea.

  • I was expecting him to stay but if clubs are happy to pay £8-10m already and willing to loan him back for the season I could see us agreeing to it.

    All going well he should be worth even more in another year but with the right signings we could be challenging next season. If we wait we could lose JBG, Cousins and others and have an even bigger job to rebuild the squad, and Gomez himself would have one less year on his contract.

    There would also be possibility of loaning him back for a second season, especially if we go up. He's only just turning 18 in a few weeks, whoever buys him probably wouldn't expect him to get anywhere near their team for at least a couple of years.
  • As long as I've supported the Club there seems to be a "Charlton discount" when it comes to transfers.

    The one exception that comes to mind is the great Len Glover. I was devastated to see him go but we received a British record fee for a winger of £80,000 which must have made Mr Gliksten happy even if the fans were not.
  • Playing Devils Advocate here.

    Lee Bowyer sale... We brought Clive Mendonca.

    Carl Jenkinson sale... We mainly brought in Free Transfers.

    Joe Gomez sale for £10m means that clubs will know we've money to spend so will demand higher fees for their players (Bournemouth did just that when we eventually signed Rhoys Wiggins) and I dont believe you can win the Championship on Free Transfers alone

    Devils Advocate "mark 2" JBG was a free transfer, in that he was out of contract.
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  • To those who claim that the money will be pocketed by Staprix and we therefore shouldn't sell anyone, please remember that we bought Vetokele off the back of money Standard Liege gained from selling Batshuayi and Vanqueur.
  • edited May 2015
    We'll probably sell him for £3m with add ons that won't be triggered for ages, if at all.

    I also, seriously, doubt that any club would buy him and lend him back to us.

    The benefit of keeping him longer is that we might just get a decent fee for him when he goes. This is especially true if we can sell him when the new TV deal has started.

    The reason the clubs are swarming now is that they think they can get him for less. Why would they pay £10m plus for a player that's played a few Championship games when they can get an experienced player that's played in the CL for the same money?
  • I would imagine the hypothetical £10m will go into the networks transfer kitty rather than all going back to Charlton (I could be wrong of course) - wasn't there some talk that our signings were run past Standard's people first before they were completed ? If so then it shows that signings are made on a network consensus.
  • sam3110 said:

    To those who claim that the money will be pocketed by Staprix and we therefore shouldn't sell anyone, please remember that we bought Vetokele off the back of money Standard Liege gained from selling Batshuayi and Vanqueur.

    Haven't you heard of the "One Rule for them, "One Rule for us" law.
  • We'll probably sell him for £3m with add ons that won't be triggered for ages, if at all.

    I also, seriously, doubt that any club would buy him and lend him back to us.

    The benefit of keeping him longer is that we might just get a decent fee for him when he goes. This is especially true if we can sell him when the new TV deal has started.

    The reason the clubs are swarming now is that they think they can get him for less. Why would they pay £10m plus for a player that's played a few Championship games when they can get an experienced player that's played in the CL for the same money?

    I make you wrong on pretty much every count. If you are buying a 17 year old then you know that you are not buying a first team player. Loaning him is perfect. Loaning him to a championship club is ideal and if it's the club where he's grown up and comfortable well then it's perfectly ideal.




  • LenGlover said:

    As long as I've supported the Club there seems to be a "Charlton discount" when it comes to transfers.
    .

    That's what I've always felt, we seem to bend over backwards to let our players go for a bit of a bargain, although usually, our financial position when we make these sales is a desperate one!
    Hopefully, under Roland's ownership, we wont be so obliging to selling clubs these days.
  • I think the loan back would be an essential part of the deal. It would be best for Joe and the buying club too - he doesn't need a new environment at his age - just focus on improving and learning in a great division to do that. The owner could see just the money but surely he is clever enough to spot an opportunity when it opens up.

    It would definitely be best for Joe, but I mean there might not necessarily be an incentive for us if we can bring in another defender who at this stage of his career is better than Gomez will be when he is 19. I guess a loan back wouldn't be any harm though unless we HAVE to play him.
  • I think there's very little hope of any incoming fees CAFC receive directly benefiting us. The cash will go to Staprix.

    If RD wants to take a punt on getting us into the EPL he will do it regardless of any specific income. I'd be very surprised if he does however.
  • We'll probably sell him for £3m with add ons that won't be triggered for ages, if at all.

    I also, seriously, doubt that any club would buy him and lend him back to us.

    The benefit of keeping him longer is that we might just get a decent fee for him when he goes. This is especially true if we can sell him when the new TV deal has started.

    The reason the clubs are swarming now is that they think they can get him for less. Why would they pay £10m plus for a player that's played a few Championship games when they can get an experienced player that's played in the CL for the same money?

    I make you wrong on pretty much every count. If you are buying a 17 year old then you know that you are not buying a first team player. Loaning him is perfect. Loaning him to a championship club is ideal and if it's the club where he's grown up and comfortable well then it's perfectly ideal.



    So why does it never happen?

    Why do the top sides never pay serious money for young English players without Premier League experience?

    When was the last time one of the top four signed a player with a few championship games for anything like £10m?

    When have the top sides ever spent £10m for a player then lent him back to the club they signed him from?

    It all makes sense to a Charlton fan but it makes no sense to the buying club. What makes sense is that they buy him cheap by dangling a loan deal in front of us, and that would normally not involve the player in question.

    With all due respect anyone that thinks that a club is going to pay us £10m plus for a player and lend him back to us has very little appreciation of how these big clubs are run. Not to mention the chances of Joe being signed by a massive club and both he and his agent agreeing to go on loan back to Charlton or the implications that it would have on team moral with him earning more than most of the first team added together.

    Sorry but I think it's nieve and the sort of logic that my ten year old would come up with.

    Why don't we just sell him for £50m and sign a non-breakable ten year loan deal with the buying club paying all of his wages for the ten years we have him on loan and be done with it?
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