If the Woolwich meeting had been a week earlier, there might have been more discontent than there was. Now, I fear, that after 3 good wins out of 4 games, there is a temptation to back off and feel everything is OK or better. Perhaps, those criticising the current regime, which included me, have calmed a bit as Championship football looks more certain than it did before the Brentford game.
In my view, though, this is the time to try and start a dialogue with the club. People are far more prepared to talk when things are going well rather than the siege mentality that may have pervaded amongst the owner and his representatives four games ago.
Have your opinions changed since the Brentford game? Or, do you feel some action is still needed?
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90% hands went up to that question and regardless of the recent results, nothing has changed my mind re that question from under two weeks ago.
We are a byproduct of his investment and not something that deserves any dialogue.
He gave you a free match programme about a year ago - what is it you want now ?
As I said before on another thread:
Pay only for the games you want to go to.
Don't indirectly give him money by purchasing anything from him.
Support the 11 for the 90 to get results.
CAFC will be back in touch with the fans one day, when RD is long gone, and that will be the time to muster.
'I'm not playing with you because you called me names' - 'I'm not playing with you because you said you don't like me'
Remind you of the school playground when you were very young?
Seems to me that both sides have dug holes and those holes keep getting deeper. I think Rick said on another thread something about talking different languages - not sure that's true - I think both sides are talking mostly bollox.
I'm 100% with @Davo55 on this.
an exchange of ideas or opinions on a particular issue, especially a political or religious issue, with a view to reaching an amicable agreement or settlement.
Although, bearing in mind that KM has done both the Bromley and VIP meetings recently, then surely that is 'dialogue', plus there is still an ongoing question in my mind, at least, as to, if the Trust is talking to Richard Murray on a regular basis, then how much dialogue do you want?
The difficulty is always going to be trying to understand what all the different people, who have very different hopes and fears for the club actually want. Is it 'dialogue' to find out answers to questions about the club? Or is it 'dialogue' making demands of the club to change how it is operating?
So, you might not go into 'dialogue' knowing what the answers will be, but you do need to know what you (i.e. the combined ranks of supporters as a whole - good luck!!!) want to achieve and at least in theory understand what an answer to your questions might be.
It would be no use, for example, trying to have 'dialogue' in the sense of trying to simply understand what is happening at the club and then ask questions like: "Can you tell us when RD is going to sell up and leave us along?" Or "can you tell us when RD is going to give us our Charlton back?"
As I say, it is difficult, but I do think that the club is trying and that @thai malaysia addick is right that the opportunity is now when tensions are running less high.
At the moment, you generally receive a "politician's" response.
In other words, the questions are not answered, but avoided, or if they are answered, they are less than full answers, that are not permitted to be discussed further.
Unfortunately, this leads to mistrust and then Katrien becomes upset, when people accuse her of lying.
Now is as good a time as any to wipe the slate clean and for the club and disgruntled fans to start working together.
Since that was stated it has since been accepted that there is currently dialog
RM talks to the trust,
The trust was spoken too and decided not to continue with a route if dialog offered to them ref the freeze of ST
That KM has attended a fans meeting and is attending another
I think now that maybe there is dialog just those answers are not what is wanted to be heard
As such a new strap line is required for the sandwich boards and protest placards
Katrien is the senior figure at the club, and as CEO and overseer of transfers,
She can't be surprised that the patience of fans finally ran out after 3 months without a win.
Did fans not have the right to question the timeline of events in that week ?
The abuse was minimal compared to any other London club,
taking 6 point from 39 ?
One of Katrien Quotes was that she would be worried if we weren't passionate !
I didn't realize it was a one way street of passion.
Only when we win !
Logically the should be a dialogue. However while some people see it as get RD out and make personal attacks on KM we will be ignored.
Where's Roland - Where's Wally as some might say ........ who cares to be honest and for what logical reason.
As for the Fans Forum, you should also know from your business experience that you cannot have one meeting covering big strategic issues, and also operational issues which are less important in the long term but which a lot of participants feel strongly about. Such a meeting won't be efficient or effective.
At the moment the idea of together still seems to be to either pay up and put up, and if you don't like it, then bog off. The whole show remains Roland's plaything/project because he has fronted up the dosh, and that approach is perfectly understandable.
I await some proactive definition of what together means from Roland's perspective, but I do know that collaboration often means compromise to avoid it basically being a dictatorship, and I wonder how much Roland is prepared to give up.
Does 'together' simply mean he provides the stadium, and we clean the seats? Or does it mean the more slow and difficult route of exploring why we should invest financially, physically and emotionally in the Duchatelet vision.