Modern football, over the next few generations anything below the Champonship as we know it will be dead imo
The only thing to change it is if people turn their back on PL (and Sky subscriptions) and start going to more lower league games.
That being said, most revenue is generated from outside of the UK for the big boys so why should they care?
I think it all comes down to exposure and, a lot of these kids now are opting for the Chelseas and Arsenils. I've got two "proper" Charlton pals whose kids go Charlton with them, but asked for Chelsea and Arsenil tops for Christmas. Imagine how it's gonna be with their kids and so on...
Why don't the BBC *Spits* turn their back on the Prem and focus on the lower leagues? Is there a reason why they can't screen a League 1 or 2 games week in week out? Genuine question
Yes because Sky have sole rights to all of the Football League. They just don't show much of it.
Surely that shouldn't be allowed, are the FA fuckin stupid..
No. The FA have no say in the matter. In 1991 the FA allowed the FAPL to exist as a separate entity. It was the most stupid decision in English football, ever.
The FA haven't got a say, and the Premier League supposedly put 5% of revenue into Grassroots, but that involves serious creative accounting and every penny club trusts spend supposedly being TV revenue.
To be fair to the FA they are trying, but they need to get over the idea that people are going to be playing the organised game as the only route to the sport
The other thing is BT made BSkyB blink hard in this game of poker. Sky are paying 84% more then they did last time for 8% more in terms of games, BT are paying 30% more for 10.5% more
The other thing is BT made BSkyB blink hard in this game of poker. Sky are paying 84% more then they did last time for 8% more in terms of games, BT are paying 30% more for 10.5% more
Mad, but not hugely surprising. They've been saving up their pennies since BT caught them out with the Champs League. The bigwig who championed homegrown content in the Entertainment department was ousted, and all the production budgets funnelled to the Sports war chest. They've spent big money transforming the Sky complex, and big plans for more. it was very clear to me they would not allow anyone to mess with the rights.
So after all the huffing and puffing from BT over the past few years, they've ended up with the crap; The Basil Brush slot and midweek. I guess they blew their money on the ridiculous amount they paid for the Champions League. Another massive victory for Sky and I am very pleased. Been with Sky since 1989 and they deserve it.
The other thing is BT made BSkyB blink hard in this game of poker. Sky are paying 84% more then they did last time for 8% more in terms of games, BT are paying 30% more for 10.5% more
So what? They can afford it and they got the all the Aces, again.
So £160m for winning Premiership and £100m for 20th place. Who cares if you get relegated. With that war chest i feel most will get back up within the three years of parachute payments.
So after all the huffing and puffing from BT over the past few years, they've ended up with the crap; The Basil Brush slot and midweek. I guess they blew their money on the ridiculous amount they paid for the Champions League. Another massive victory for Sky and I am very pleased. Been with Sky since 1989 and they deserve it.
The other thing is BT made BSkyB blink hard in this game of poker. Sky are paying 84% more then they did last time for 8% more in terms of games, BT are paying 30% more for 10.5% more
So what? They can afford it and they got the all the Aces, again.
The PL will soon be the closed shop they want it to be, just gutted that it looks like Palace have fluked their way into it at just the right time.
That is the most galling thing for me. We drop out of it just at the wrong time (the previous deal...) and those bastards fluke their way in to take advantage of the new one. Life ain't fair I tell yer!
Having thought about this for a couple of days I'm not as depressed as I was before. I'm not sure that much will change. The majority of this money will be going towards transfers and player wages, if anything it just makes it that much more dangerous for any established teams who are relegated. There has always been this fear of the money that teams who come down from the PL have but it's not regular that all of them are competing towards the top of the Championship let alone actually get promotion at the first (or even second or third or...) attempt.
That said I still don't agree with what is happening. The only people this benefits are the league, the players and the owners. The fans are probably worse off. They will be the ones footing the bill for any increases in subscriptions, ticket prices are unlikely to come down and if their team is relegated it means there is the distinct possibility of financial troubles if they cannot get promoted again. Football has changed as I'm sure everyone is aware, but it isn't the PL that is a cash cow, it is the fans. They are the ones who are being milked dry.
Its a league that caters more towards someone sat in their house in Pakistan watching a game rather than the lad who has grown up wanting to go to see his local team play week in and week out.
What happens on the pitch in the Premier League is nothing but a minor variable. The order of the league places is determined in the board room before a ball is even kicked.
So after all the huffing and puffing from BT over the past few years, they've ended up with the crap; The Basil Brush slot and midweek. I guess they blew their money on the ridiculous amount they paid for the Champions League. Another massive victory for Sky and I am very pleased. Been with Sky since 1989 and they deserve it.
The other thing is BT made BSkyB blink hard in this game of poker. Sky are paying 84% more then they did last time for 8% more in terms of games, BT are paying 30% more for 10.5% more
So what? They can afford it and they got the all the Aces, again.
Sky's share price is down 5.5% this morning, triumph
And would have been down 25% if they hadn't got the rights. As you say, triumph indeed.
Are you Rupert Murdoch?
No, he's just reverted to type now he thinks that he doesn't need to be nice to people on here in order to make his pub a success... Welcome back ;-) BTW - I was with Rob Glazebrook at the weekend, Riv...
The PL will soon be the closed shop they want it to be, just gutted that it looks like Palace have fluked their way into it at just the right time.
This is my hope. I said it when the PL was created and have done so plenty of times since. What makes football interesting is competition - no relegation = no excitement for at least ten of the teams in the PL.
If the door shut tomorrow just how much interest would, say, Leicester City be garnering in six years, having finished bottom for five of those six years? Their three quarters empty stadium echoing away during their four live TV appearances a year? No great attraction on Sunday at 4 o'clock there I fear.
Despite all the upfront TV money, their TV appearance money, gate money and sponsorship would still be way behind the Sky favourites, leaving them unable to catch up and with an ever dwindling fan base, bored of turning up every week to watch them get stuffed, and with no real competition with Palace, West Brom, Hull and all the other also rans, as there is nothing to play for when there's no relegation to worry about.
The Football League could exclude the PL sides from the league cup, and FL sides could stop entering the FA cup. The conference could become division four, leaving the PL sides to play each other week in, week out, except for the third and fourth round of the FA cup where they might draw someone as exciting as Concord Rangers or Leiston ...
As a US style "draft system" is impossible (and even if it were, the Sky favourites would make sure it was slewed in their favour, somehow), the only way around it would be for the whole PL to share their entire income (sponsorship, gate money, retail sales e.t.c) totally equally, so that Palace, Leicester et al can genuinely compete, and have a chance of actually winning the thing, or at least making the Champions League. And that just wont happen with the kind of "business minds" in charge of football clubs these days.
Lets not wait for the PL to shut the door, the FL should have had the balls to do it 25 years ago, and now the gap is so wide they should seize the opportunity to do it now... Of course the problem is that the same kind of "business minds" are in charge of the FL clubs.
The PL will soon be the closed shop they want it to be, just gutted that it looks like Palace have fluked their way into it at just the right time.
This is my hope. I said it when the PL was created and have done so plenty of times since. What makes football interesting is competition - no relegation = no excitement for at least ten of the teams in the PL.
If the door shut tomorrow just how much interest would, say, Leicester City be garnering in six years, having finished bottom for five of those six years? Their three quarters empty stadium echoing away during their four live TV appearances a year? No great attraction on Sunday at 4 o'clock there I fear.
Despite all the upfront TV money, their TV appearance money, gate money and sponsorship would still be way behind the Sky favourites, leaving them unable to catch up and with an ever dwindling fan base, bored of turning up every week to watch them get stuffed, and with no real competition with Palace, West Brom, Hull and all the other also rans, as there is nothing to play for when there's no relegation to worry about.
The Football League could exclude the PL sides from the league cup, and FL sides could stop entering the FA cup. The conference could become division four, leaving the PL sides to play each other week in, week out, except for the third and fourth round of the FA cup where they might draw someone as exciting as Concord Rangers or Leiston ...
As a US style "draft system" is impossible (and even if it were, the Sky favourites would make sure it was slewed in their favour, somehow), the only way around it would be for the whole PL to share their entire income (sponsorship, gate money, retail sales e.t.c) totally equally, so that Palace, Leicester et al can genuinely compete, and have a chance of actually winning the thing, or at least making the Champions League. And that just wont happen with the kind of "business minds" in charge of football clubs these days.
Lets not wait for the PL to shut the door, the FL should have had the balls to do it 25 years ago, and now the gap is so wide they should seize the opportunity to do it now... Of course the problem is that the same kind of "business minds" are in charge of the FL clubs.
But, and I've said it before, if necessary the PL would split itself into NFL-style conferences and divisions, with every team in for a chance of the Wembley Bowl play-offs until the last match of the season, even with one of the "most losingest" records. So there will be a lot fewer dead fixtures than you suggest.
Someone on Talksport comparing to the US where clubs only get the TV rights if they have a full house, so tickets are priced accordingly and given way to schools to fill the seats. They realise that atmosphere is a big part of the entertainment and if the game is only a TV spectacle and doesn't have real fans it will be all the poorer.
Until fans start disappearing from Premiership grounds I fear nothing will happen to change anything.
What an opportunity for clubs to show some respect and drop ticket prices instead of this windfall feeding straight through to players, agents and owners. Even paying their staff a living wage wouldn't be a bad start.
Would be different perhaps if this money had been generated because clubs were adding value through their own efforts, but it is simply a fortuitous windfall provided by a bidding war in a media duopoly where the price for buying market share has no foreseeable ceiling as the cost can easily be passed on to service subscribers, ever increasing globally as developing countries acquire the passion for armchair football.
The PL will soon be the closed shop they want it to be, just gutted that it looks like Palace have fluked their way into it at just the right time.
This is my hope. I said it when the PL was created and have done so plenty of times since. What makes football interesting is competition - no relegation = no excitement for at least ten of the teams in the PL.
If the door shut tomorrow just how much interest would, say, Leicester City be garnering in six years, having finished bottom for five of those six years? Their three quarters empty stadium echoing away during their four live TV appearances a year? No great attraction on Sunday at 4 o'clock there I fear.
Despite all the upfront TV money, their TV appearance money, gate money and sponsorship would still be way behind the Sky favourites, leaving them unable to catch up and with an ever dwindling fan base, bored of turning up every week to watch them get stuffed, and with no real competition with Palace, West Brom, Hull and all the other also rans, as there is nothing to play for when there's no relegation to worry about.
The Football League could exclude the PL sides from the league cup, and FL sides could stop entering the FA cup. The conference could become division four, leaving the PL sides to play each other week in, week out, except for the third and fourth round of the FA cup where they might draw someone as exciting as Concord Rangers or Leiston ...
As a US style "draft system" is impossible (and even if it were, the Sky favourites would make sure it was slewed in their favour, somehow), the only way around it would be for the whole PL to share their entire income (sponsorship, gate money, retail sales e.t.c) totally equally, so that Palace, Leicester et al can genuinely compete, and have a chance of actually winning the thing, or at least making the Champions League. And that just wont happen with the kind of "business minds" in charge of football clubs these days.
Lets not wait for the PL to shut the door, the FL should have had the balls to do it 25 years ago, and now the gap is so wide they should seize the opportunity to do it now... Of course the problem is that the same kind of "business minds" are in charge of the FL clubs.
But, and I've said it before, if necessary the PL would split itself into NFL-style conferences and divisions, with every team in for a chance of the Wembley Bowl play-offs until the last match of the season, even with one of the "most losingest" records. So there will be a lot fewer dead fixtures than you suggest.
I see what you mean, but it couldn't be done on a regional basis, as three of the Sky faves are in the north west and two in London. I suppose it could be seeded? But then the same teams would still ultimately be in the final, nine times out of ten. And then how would you sort out the all important Champions league places? I don't think UEFA would be too keen on, for example, the four conference winners taking the slots in one country and the rest being decided in the traditional manner? And as for the Europa league...
I still see the same also rans year in year out to be honest MP, but it's certainly one way they could try to operate.
On the breakfast news they reckoned that they've done the maths & that the average 'bench warmer' playing in the Premiership when the new contract kicks in will earn £100k a week, for not playing football.....
I'm sure we'll still be whinging about the state of the national team , and Charlton...
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Oh no, that's that other universe.
To be fair to the FA they are trying, but they need to get over the idea that people are going to be playing the organised game as the only route to the sport
Another massive victory for Sky and I am very pleased. Been with Sky since 1989 and they deserve it.
http://addickschampionshipdiary.blogspot.co.uk/2015/02/the-financial-benefits-of-championship.html?m=1
That said I still don't agree with what is happening. The only people this benefits are the league, the players and the owners. The fans are probably worse off. They will be the ones footing the bill for any increases in subscriptions, ticket prices are unlikely to come down and if their team is relegated it means there is the distinct possibility of financial troubles if they cannot get promoted again. Football has changed as I'm sure everyone is aware, but it isn't the PL that is a cash cow, it is the fans. They are the ones who are being milked dry.
What happens on the pitch in the Premier League is nothing but a minor variable. The order of the league places is determined in the board room before a ball is even kicked.
If the door shut tomorrow just how much interest would, say, Leicester City be garnering in six years, having finished bottom for five of those six years? Their three quarters empty stadium echoing away during their four live TV appearances a year? No great attraction on Sunday at 4 o'clock there I fear.
Despite all the upfront TV money, their TV appearance money, gate money and sponsorship would still be way behind the Sky favourites, leaving them unable to catch up and with an ever dwindling fan base, bored of turning up every week to watch them get stuffed, and with no real competition with Palace, West Brom, Hull and all the other also rans, as there is nothing to play for when there's no relegation to worry about.
The Football League could exclude the PL sides from the league cup, and FL sides could stop entering the FA cup. The conference could become division four, leaving the PL sides to play each other week in, week out, except for the third and fourth round of the FA cup where they might draw someone as exciting as Concord Rangers or Leiston ...
As a US style "draft system" is impossible (and even if it were, the Sky favourites would make sure it was slewed in their favour, somehow), the only way around it would be for the whole PL to share their entire income (sponsorship, gate money, retail sales e.t.c) totally equally, so that Palace, Leicester et al can genuinely compete, and have a chance of actually winning the thing, or at least making the Champions League. And that just wont happen with the kind of "business minds" in charge of football clubs these days.
Lets not wait for the PL to shut the door, the FL should have had the balls to do it 25 years ago, and now the gap is so wide they should seize the opportunity to do it now... Of course the problem is that the same kind of "business minds" are in charge of the FL clubs.
Until fans start disappearing from Premiership grounds I fear nothing will happen to change anything.
What an opportunity for clubs to show some respect and drop ticket prices instead of this windfall feeding straight through to players, agents and owners. Even paying their staff a living wage wouldn't be a bad start.
Would be different perhaps if this money had been generated because clubs were adding value through their own efforts, but it is simply a fortuitous windfall provided by a bidding war in a media duopoly where the price for buying market share has no foreseeable ceiling as the cost can easily be passed on to service subscribers, ever increasing globally as developing countries acquire the passion for armchair football.
I still see the same also rans year in year out to be honest MP, but it's certainly one way they could try to operate.
I'm sure we'll still be whinging about the state of the national team , and Charlton...