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In all the hyper ventilating by certain sections of or supporters I keep reading about RD being not willing to spend money/only to sign SL rejects etc
PLEASE KEEP TO THE FACTS!!!

In the summer we bought JBG, Igor and Hendo. 3 quality additions to the starting 11. Our two new CBs have been outstanding all season 2 very successful freebies.
I'm hoping the decision to change Peeters for Luzon at this time is that further enhancements to the squad are in the pipeline. If they are as good as the 5(half a team) s above I will be happy.
Still..., don't let that stop all the RD bashing

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  • edited January 2015
    braydex said:

    Hendo - was released by West Ham
    JBG - 5 year contract had expired in 2014
    Igor - £2.5M (reported)
    Bikey - free transfer (and I cannot agree he's been outstanding - overweight, slow and always out of position)
    TBH - Free. Yes. Outstanding, really?

    Hendo is injured. Igor is injured.

    It's not RD bashing, but if you had said to any Charlton fan a few years ago - do you want to be part of a 'network', that includes a few shit clubs, yourselves and Standard and you all just swap players and managers and loan people out to one another....would you have been pleased with that? I wouldn't and i'm not.

    We may see one or 2 more faces come to the Valley in January, but they will be more rejects from Standard and Ujpest and we are all supposed to get excited about it? Do me a favour. I want to see some money being splashed. I want to see a few faces we are familiar with instead of guys running onto the pitch like they're having a trial with the club. I want to see grit, determination, fight, stamina and goals. I want to hear the crowd getting behind the team Delia Smith style, I want a manager who will rip into his players if they are shit and big them up if they're not. I want an owner who has ambition to get the club into the premier league just like all the other clubs in the championship....instead I feel like we're a 1990's Ford Escort. Reliable but struggles to start, bit knackered, been patched up a few times, needs a few touches here and there to get through the Winter with an owner who has realised he can sell off the alloys, CD player etc and make a few quid, but really, can't wait to get through to the summer when he can concentrate on his other hobbies.

    Put a couple of million in then and buy a player...

    Am sorry but its not our money to demand that millions get spent and I'm sure you'd tell someone to piss off if they randomly walked up to you saying that coat your wearing, its shite you need to buy a better one
  • braydex said:

    Hendo - was released by West Ham
    JBG - 5 year contract had expired in 2014
    Igor - £2.5M (reported)
    Bikey - free transfer (and I cannot agree he's been outstanding - overweight, slow and always out of position)
    TBH - Free. Yes. Outstanding, really?

    Hendo is injured. Igor is injured.

    It's not RD bashing, but if you had said to any Charlton fan a few years ago - do you want to be part of a 'network', that includes a few shit clubs, yourselves and Standard and you all just swap players and managers and loan people out to one another....would you have been pleased with that? I wouldn't and i'm not.

    We may see one or 2 more faces come to the Valley in January, but they will be more rejects from Standard and Ujpest and we are all supposed to get excited about it? Do me a favour. I want to see some money being splashed. I want to see a few faces we are familiar with instead of guys running onto the pitch like they're having a trial with the club. I want to see grit, determination, fight, stamina and goals. I want to hear the crowd getting behind the team Delia Smith style, I want a manager who will rip into his players if they are shit and big them up if they're not. I want an owner who has ambition to get the club into the premier league just like all the other clubs in the championship....instead I feel like we're a 1990's Ford Escort. Reliable but struggles to start, bit knackered, been patched up a few times, needs a few touches here and there to get through the Winter with an owner who has realised he can sell off the alloys, CD player etc and make a few quid, but really, can't wait to get through to the summer when he can concentrate on his other hobbies.

    Put a couple of million in then and buy a player...

    Am sorry but its not our money to demand that millions get spent and I'm sure you'd tell someone to piss off if they randomly walked up to you saying that coat your wearing, its shite you need to buy a better one
    He didn't demand, he said it was what he wanted.
  • braydex said:

    Hendo - was released by West Ham
    JBG - 5 year contract had expired in 2014
    Igor - £2.5M (reported)
    Bikey - free transfer (and I cannot agree he's been outstanding - overweight, slow and always out of position)
    TBH - Free. Yes. Outstanding, really?

    Hendo is injured. Igor is injured.

    It's not RD bashing, but if you had said to any Charlton fan a few years ago - do you want to be part of a 'network', that includes a few shit clubs, yourselves and Standard and you all just swap players and managers and loan people out to one another....would you have been pleased with that? I wouldn't and i'm not.

    We may see one or 2 more faces come to the Valley in January, but they will be more rejects from Standard and Ujpest and we are all supposed to get excited about it? Do me a favour. I want to see some money being splashed. I want to see a few faces we are familiar with instead of guys running onto the pitch like they're having a trial with the club. I want to see grit, determination, fight, stamina and goals. I want to hear the crowd getting behind the team Delia Smith style, I want a manager who will rip into his players if they are shit and big them up if they're not. I want an owner who has ambition to get the club into the premier league just like all the other clubs in the championship....instead I feel like we're a 1990's Ford Escort. Reliable but struggles to start, bit knackered, been patched up a few times, needs a few touches here and there to get through the Winter with an owner who has realised he can sell off the alloys, CD player etc and make a few quid, but really, can't wait to get through to the summer when he can concentrate on his other hobbies.

    Put a couple of million in then and buy a player...

    Am sorry but its not our money to demand that millions get spent and I'm sure you'd tell someone to piss off if they randomly walked up to you saying that coat your wearing, its shite you need to buy a better one
    OMG braydex are you for real? Lol

    The network and fans like you are well suited. Enjoy
  • Braydex has got to be the most negative poster on CL. Bikey and TBH have been the rock of our impressive defence all season but ignore that if you wish.and yes, if offered the network lifestyle we now have last summer I'd have accepted it. We've not had a pot to piss in for a number of years but this allows us to see some fresh faces during the transfer window. A far better option than having to rely on mercenary loanees like under Pardew/Parkinson
  • Also if rumours are to be believed we put in offers for O'Grady and Delort so, clutching at straws, maybe Luzon will be given funds to buy from outside network if price is right.
  • braydex said:

    Hendo - was released by West Ham
    JBG - 5 year contract had expired in 2014
    Igor - £2.5M (reported)
    Bikey - free transfer (and I cannot agree he's been outstanding - overweight, slow and always out of position)
    TBH - Free. Yes. Outstanding, really?

    If it wasn't for the 2 centre halves we would be in the bottom 3 - best centre half pairing since the Prem years of Rufus etc
    You forgot Martin Cranie and Linvoy Primus
  • wmcf123 said:

    braydex said:

    Hendo - was released by West Ham
    JBG - 5 year contract had expired in 2014
    Igor - £2.5M (reported)
    Bikey - free transfer (and I cannot agree he's been outstanding - overweight, slow and always out of position)
    TBH - Free. Yes. Outstanding, really?

    If it wasn't for the 2 centre halves we would be in the bottom 3 - best centre half pairing since the Prem years of Rufus etc
    You forgot Martin Cranie and Linvoy Primus
    Are you saying that Crainie and Primus was a good pairing?
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  • braydex said:

    Taxi_Lad said:

    Braydex has got to be the most negative poster on CL. Bikey and TBH have been the rock of our impressive defence all season but ignore that if you wish.and yes, if offered the network lifestyle we now have last summer I'd have accepted it. We've not had a pot to piss in for a number of years but this allows us to see some fresh faces during the transfer window. A far better option than having to rely on mercenary loanees like under Pardew/Parkinson

    I couldn't give a toss whether you think I'm negative or not, there is very little to be positive about! I like this forum, but many who post on it struggle to accept others views, which is the point of a forum. I'm a ST holder, as is my dad and my 2 sons. I travel a bloody long way to watch them. I spend a fortune on replica kits and shit loads of club merchandise. When I invest in supporting a club I expect something in return. Enjoyment. It's not much to ask for. We are being treated like mugs. The atmosphere has gone as have about 8000 fans. The players aren't good enough and don't look like they give a shit. The owner isn't interested and lacks ambition. I'm sorry if this week I'm not jumping with joy over the news our new manager was sacked by our owner for being crap and has no English managerial experience but there you go. Others may be satisfied with that but I'm not. Ok I may have been a bit harsh about TBH. Fair point. I have also said I thought Watt looked good so I'm not totally negative!
    Braydex lots of fair points, however we have a great team spirit, I could not name more than one player who does not put in a shift. GT blows hot and cold and JJ is past it but apart from that I am happy with our players, need a goal scorer and a better squad to choose from. Can't see that happening any time soon hope I am wrong
  • iaitch said:

    wmcf123 said:

    braydex said:

    Hendo - was released by West Ham
    JBG - 5 year contract had expired in 2014
    Igor - £2.5M (reported)
    Bikey - free transfer (and I cannot agree he's been outstanding - overweight, slow and always out of position)
    TBH - Free. Yes. Outstanding, really?

    If it wasn't for the 2 centre halves we would be in the bottom 3 - best centre half pairing since the Prem years of Rufus etc
    You forgot Martin Cranie and Linvoy Primus
    Are you saying that Crainie and Primus was a good pairing?
    I wouldn't have thought so
  • Don't sign anyone English!
  • Lets see some transfers its quiet.
  • Might be putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5, but I did notice that when we bought Igor from FC Copenhagen they immediately replaced him with a Belgium striker
  • edited January 2015
    wmcf123 said:

    braydex said:

    Hendo - was released by West Ham
    JBG - 5 year contract had expired in 2014
    Igor - £2.5M (reported)
    Bikey - free transfer (and I cannot agree he's been outstanding - overweight, slow and always out of position)
    TBH - Free. Yes. Outstanding, really?

    If it wasn't for the 2 centre halves we would be in the bottom 3 - best centre half pairing since the Prem years of Rufus etc
    You forgot Martin Cranie and Linvoy Primus
    I'd forgotten about Crainie too, he was terrible. I can't believe he was an England U21 regular while he was with us. I don't think I ever saw him pass the ball, he just aimlessly punted it. Another Pardew gem.
  • Might be putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5, but I did notice that when we bought Igor from FC Copenhagen they immediately replaced him with a Belgium striker

    I don't get it? Are you thinking we may go back to FCC and buy the Belgium striker that replaced Igor?
  • Just face facts it's a shambles
  • iaitch said:

    wmcf123 said:

    braydex said:

    Hendo - was released by West Ham
    JBG - 5 year contract had expired in 2014
    Igor - £2.5M (reported)
    Bikey - free transfer (and I cannot agree he's been outstanding - overweight, slow and always out of position)
    TBH - Free. Yes. Outstanding, really?

    If it wasn't for the 2 centre halves we would be in the bottom 3 - best centre half pairing since the Prem years of Rufus etc
    You forgot Martin Cranie and Linvoy Primus
    Are you saying that Crainie and Primus was a good pairing?
    I'd have liked to have seen Matt Holland and Gary Doherty as a partnership.
  • braydex said:

    Hendo - was released by West Ham
    JBG - 5 year contract had expired in 2014
    Igor - £2.5M (reported)
    Bikey - free transfer (and I cannot agree he's been outstanding - overweight, slow and always out of position)
    TBH - Free. Yes. Outstanding, really?

    Hendo is injured. Igor is injured.

    It's not RD bashing, but if you had said to any Charlton fan a few years ago - do you want to be part of a 'network', that includes a few shit clubs, yourselves and Standard and you all just swap players and managers and loan people out to one another....would you have been pleased with that? I wouldn't and i'm not.

    We may see one or 2 more faces come to the Valley in January, but they will be more rejects from Standard and Ujpest and we are all supposed to get excited about it? Do me a favour. I want to see some money being splashed. I want to see a few faces we are familiar with instead of guys running onto the pitch like they're having a trial with the club. I want to see grit, determination, fight, stamina and goals. I want to hear the crowd getting behind the team Delia Smith style, I want a manager who will rip into his players if they are shit and big them up if they're not. I want an owner who has ambition to get the club into the premier league just like all the other clubs in the championship....instead I feel like we're a 1990's Ford Escort. Reliable but struggles to start, bit knackered, been patched up a few times, needs a few touches here and there to get through the Winter with an owner who has realised he can sell off the alloys, CD player etc and make a few quid, but really, can't wait to get through to the summer when he can concentrate on his other hobbies.

    That's slightly loaded re. The network isn't it?
    Five years ago we're in League 1 and going broke!
    So if you say do you fancy mid table championship with the players above plus Buyens, Bulot and Watt, but no definitive statement about the medium term... And the losses underwritten by someone worth €500m

    Then I think most fans would say yes, and that's before we saw the money nearly run out at the end of 2013.

    There's a lot of rubbish has been written about this network. Some players coming in weren't good enough but they've disappeared in the next window.

    Right now the only two things that matter is how Luzon uses a small but quite nifty squad and does he get a budget now and in the summer to step up. When he was at Liege they brought in Ligue 2 players and Tony Watt for around €1-1.5m each. Sound familiar?

    I'm sure fans would like us to match the €3m spent on Vetokele but no one knows what the budget or final prices paid will be.

    I've been criticised for optimism before but my reading of the situation is that M.Duchatelet has spent £20-25m to date and that wasn't to spend his (and our) time in the bottom third of the Championship.

    Let's see what happens on the pitch and in the window over the next 17 days.
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  • He will want a return on that investment though won't he? And he won't reckon spending further millions is the best way to do that now that his original plan has been doomed to fail by the complete lack of any Financial Fair Play. He (and therefore we) are therefore in a sticky situation.

    Perhaps I'm wrong and we will see new players come in....
  • edited January 2015

    what £25m?

    Some of it:-

    £16m purchase price*
    £5m annual loss
    £2.5m Vetokele
    J B G
    Signing fees
    £0.75m pitch (Albeit some was funded by YK &DS)

    £25m since taking over is not an unreasonable estimate, but to make it worthwhile he will have to invest more. The purchase price is an extraordinairy expenditure.

    *Or was it £14m

    Are there any decent Israelie strikers that could be targets
  • The purchase price was £7m cheaper if we got relegated so secretly Roland didn't mind how we performed last season...

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  • The purchase price was £7m cheaper if we got relegated so secretly Roland didn't mind how we performed last season...

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    My recollection was that is was either £16m down to £14m or £14m down to £12m, but I am sure others will recollect more accurately. If you are saying confirmed then in the age of CL tradition ........... source?
  • £14m

    £10m up front

    £3m If we stayed up

    £1m to the agent who brokered the deal.

    Plus taking on the debt payable to the previous directors when we get back to the premiership.

    Plus the on going losses.

    Plus £1m on the pitch and stadium

    Minua the fees for players sold.

    Plus fees paid for players albeit not clear what has been paid for farm players from Standard.
  • Kap10 said:

    The purchase price was £7m cheaper if we got relegated so secretly Roland didn't mind how we performed last season...

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    My recollection was that is was either £16m down to £14m or £14m down to £12m, but I am sure others will recollect more accurately. If you are saying confirmed then in the age of CL tradition ........... source?
    Sorry, no source at all. Was just a little joke based off the crazy fears of some this time last year.
  • Who mentioned Martin Cranie? Who the hell mentioned Martin Cranie?? He is without a doubt my least favourite Charlton player of the dark years. For me he's Pardew in footballer form. I've just broken out in a rash remembering him sliding the ball into his own goal. I need to lie down now. Please don't bring him up again.
  • People have covered it but I was thinking:
    £10m purchase + £4m deferred for staying up
    £5.5m losses every year
    £1m repayment of North stand mortgage every year (probably only a couple of years left)
    £3-4m on Vetokele and signing on fees for loans and free agents.

    The smaller transfer fees cost buttons as they are written off over the contract and stadium refurbishment (and underlying drains) might go over ten years. Then again it's all cash to find. And fees for players sold keep the annual losses below £6m.

    The debts to ex directors are c.£10m but in a valuation one would offset against the enormous cash inflows in the FAPL. They are quite handy in the meantime because the creditors do have the power of veto over certain transactions like debt restructuring and perhaps selling the club.

    I would estimate that the value of Cafc finishing 3rd - 6th (with a 25% chance of winning promotion) might be worth c.£40-50M and if we get to the FAPL? Perhaps £75-100m. So the prize for Staprix is indeed large and should keep them focused.

    The opportunity cost of not going for it would be to wipe out the club value! Falling crowds through disinterest and West ham marketing...falling catering and sponsorship...increasing costs of stadium maintenance as it ages etc.

    So the point is how much will RD spend right now and over the summer to push on "making the club competitive" as per KM in the standard tonight?

    How much is he prepared to increase the annual losses by to fund a bigger player payroll and the amortisation of player transfer fees? This to increase our chances of promotion from 5% to 15% and then 25%?

    Will he push so far and then sell up or is the bigger FAPL stage so attractive to the Staprix group that he continues despite the highly irritating doubling of FFP limits.

    Personally I think we have 14 decent players, some weaker ones out of contract in the summer and are perfectly positioned to give it a crack next season. They've shown they can acquire 5 high quality players in one go. Will they do it? No idea!
  • wmcf123 said:

    braydex said:

    Hendo - was released by West Ham
    JBG - 5 year contract had expired in 2014
    Igor - £2.5M (reported)
    Bikey - free transfer (and I cannot agree he's been outstanding - overweight, slow and always out of position)
    TBH - Free. Yes. Outstanding, really?

    If it wasn't for the 2 centre halves we would be in the bottom 3 - best centre half pairing since the Prem years of Rufus etc
    You forgot Martin Cranie and Linvoy Primus
    I'd forgotten about Crainie too, he was terrible. I can't believe he was an England U21 regular while he was with us. I don't think I ever saw him pass the ball, he just aimlessly punted it. Another Pardew gem.
    An indictment of Stuart Pearce's management, I suggest; and Pardew's, as you say
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