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Zonal marking

markmc68markmc68
in General Charlton
Paul Hart introduced zonal marking at the club because he felt that it would benefit the team like it did when Brian Clough introduced it to Nottingham Forest. The first team and the academy all the way down to the under 9's are all taught to adopt this policy from corner kicks, free kicks and long throw ins. No body seems to get it. There is nobody who attacks the ball in the same way you would if you were contesting the ball with an opponent. Paul Hart has gone so why are we still adopting this alien way and suicidal way of defending. It has cost us dearly this season. The opposition seem to have gained an advantage over our static defence who don't know what their defensive jobs are. What happened to the old days of 'who's marking him'. Moan over.
Disgruntled and bored Charlton fan.

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  • Brendan_O_ConnellBrendan_O_Connell
    It has certainly been our downfall this season. Let's hope the coaching staff see sense and resolve this issue quickly.
  • redmanredman
    Today it was neither one thing or the other. It seemed some we had some man marking and others zonal. Really weird.
  • colthe3rdcolthe3rd
    Brendan_O_Connell said:

    It has certainly been our downfall this season. Let's hope the coaching staff see sense and resolve this issue quickly.

    Because having the joint 6th fewest conceded shows that.
  • Brendan_O_ConnellBrendan_O_Connell
    colthe3rd said:

    Brendan_O_Connell said:

    It has certainly been our downfall this season. Let's hope the coaching staff see sense and resolve this issue quickly.

    Because having the joint 6th fewest conceded shows that.
    Many of our conceded goals come from set pieces where the scorer isn't picked up properly due to the zonal marking policy.
  • Oggy RedOggy Red
    colthe3rd said:

    Brendan_O_Connell said:

    It has certainly been our downfall this season. Let's hope the coaching staff see sense and resolve this issue quickly.

    Because having the joint 6th fewest conceded shows that.
    That's good news, then.

    I was beginning to fear it was 'Relegation Zonal Marking'.

  • ScohamScoham
    Brendan_O_Connell said:

    It has certainly been our downfall this season. Let's hope the coaching staff see sense and resolve this issue quickly.

    But is it zonal marking, a lack of players that are good in the air or do we give away too many set pieces?
  • se9addickse9addick
    Someone at the game today told me that 2/3 of the goals we've conceded this season were from set pieces - that can't be true, can it ?
  • sirjohnhumphreysirjohnhumphrey
    Brighton's three goals this season against us have come from crosses. Zonal marking is clearly not for us so why persist with it. Wilson ended up marking Ince because of this. A height difference of about 6 inches!
  • colthe3rdcolthe3rd
    Brendan_O_Connell said:

    colthe3rd said:

    Brendan_O_Connell said:

    It has certainly been our downfall this season. Let's hope the coaching staff see sense and resolve this issue quickly.

    Because having the joint 6th fewest conceded shows that.
    Many of our conceded goals come from set pieces where the scorer isn't picked up properly due to the zonal marking policy.
    My point is that it isn't our downfall this season, clearly the lack of goals is.

    I don't have a problem with zonal marking but there still seems to be a stigma around it. Bad defending is still bad defending regardless of what system is being used.
  • Brendan_O_ConnellBrendan_O_Connell
    colthe3rd said:

    Brendan_O_Connell said:

    colthe3rd said:

    Brendan_O_Connell said:

    It has certainly been our downfall this season. Let's hope the coaching staff see sense and resolve this issue quickly.

    Because having the joint 6th fewest conceded shows that.
    Many of our conceded goals come from set pieces where the scorer isn't picked up properly due to the zonal marking policy.
    My point is that it isn't our downfall this season, clearly the lack of goals is.

    I don't have a problem with zonal marking but there still seems to be a stigma around it. Bad defending is still bad defending regardless of what system is being used.
    Yes you are correct. I should have said one of our downfalls. I think we'd have more success defending set pieces if we stuck to man marking though. At least then everyone would know their specific job.
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  • RedChaserRedChaser
    edited January 2015
    Brendan_O_Connell said:

    colthe3rd said:

    Brendan_O_Connell said:

    colthe3rd said:

    Brendan_O_Connell said:

    It has certainly been our downfall this season. Let's hope the coaching staff see sense and resolve this issue quickly.

    Because having the joint 6th fewest conceded shows that.
    Many of our conceded goals come from set pieces where the scorer isn't picked up properly due to the zonal marking policy.
    My point is that it isn't our downfall this season, clearly the lack of goals is.

    I don't have a problem with zonal marking but there still seems to be a stigma around it. Bad defending is still bad defending regardless of what system is being used.
    Yes you are correct. I should have said one of our downfalls. I think we'd have more success defending set pieces if we stuck to man marking though. At least then everyone would know their specific job.
    Agree with this Brendan to an extent but the problem has been exacerbated with the ball back into the box when a set piece had not been fully cleared. Defenders who have not had a specific man to mark seem to go walkabout like at Brighton and Ipswich away to name but a few.
  • DRAddickDRAddick

    To be fair we are highly accomplished at zonal marking. Unfortunately it isn't zones that score goals.
  • smsm
    Nothing wrong with zonal marking per se (plenty of successful teams have used it in the past) - but you do need to something other than watch when the ball and someone else comes into your zone, this doesn't appear to be a problem with the first ball - but with the second ball and knock ons we appear to be struggling. I would also suggest that our general in effectiveness at dead balls in attacking situations, as well as defensive ones, might suggest that we just don't practice them enough - surely a few sessions of dead balls with attack vs defence would improve matters.
  • smsm
    Do we now have the coaches who can identify and correct the errors?
  • se9addickse9addick
    I thought one of the benefits of zonal marking was that it helps you break quickly if you're trying to play a counter attacking style - which is what I presumed our game plan has become as it's the only rational explanation for us standing off the oppositions players and inviting them to attack us.

    If that's the case why do most of our players, perhaps Gudmundson and TBH aside, look petrified when they have to break with the ball ? Wilson in particular seemed to get nosebleeds today when he was in the oppositions half and invariably would pass the ball backwards as a result which is basically the opposite of a counter attack !
  • The Red RobinThe Red Robin
    markmc68 said:

    Paul Hart introduced zonal marking at the club because he felt that it would benefit the team like it did when Brian Clough introduced it to Nottingham Forest. The first team and the academy all the way down to the under 9's are all taught to adopt this policy from corner kicks, free kicks and long throw ins. No body seems to get it. There is nobody who attacks the ball in the same way you would if you were contesting the ball with an opponent. Paul Hart has gone so why are we still adopting this alien way and suicidal way of defending. It has cost us dearly this season. The opposition seem to have gained an advantage over our static defence who don't know what their defensive jobs are. What happened to the old days of 'who's marking him'. Moan over.
    Disgruntled and bored Charlton fan.

    Nothing to do with zonal or man marking. It's defenders making basic mistakes which they shouldn't be regardless of tactics.
  • guinnessaddickguinnessaddick
    se9addick said:

    I thought one of the benefits of zonal marking was that it helps you break quickly if you're trying to play a counter attacking style - which is what I presumed our game plan has become as it's the only rational explanation for us standing off the oppositions players and inviting them to attack us

    How can we counter attack when from a Brighton corner yesterday we had 11 players in our box marking 5 Brighton players?

  • markmc68markmc68
    The free kick awarded to Brighton before the goal came because Bikey couldn't resist having a nibble at mackail smith. Who was a constant thorn in our sides throughout the game. Lack of discipline in an important part of the pitch. Peeters was livid with him.
  • shirty5shirty5
    We was not using Zonal Marking during games last season so why mention Paul Hart when he left the club during the summer and had nothing to do with the first team.

    Peeters and his coaching staff brought this system into the first team this season.

    Granted it does not appear to work, but when your keeper comes from a free kick you rely on him to get a hand on it at least. That's what cost us the goal plus the daft challenge from Bikey as well for the free kick.
  • SwisdomSwisdom
    markmc68 said:

    The free kick awarded to Brighton before the goal came because Bikey couldn't resist having a nibble at mackail smith. Who was a constant thorn in our sides throughout the game. Lack of discipline in an important part of the pitch. Peeters was livid with him.

    Bikeys nibble was no different to the nibble their defender had at the other end moments before. Our problem is we aren't cute enough to get these free kicks. CMS was going nowhere but was running whilst looking at Bikey - as soon as he got touched he went to ground.

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  • northstandstevenorthstandsteve
    Rubbish Swisdom, the challenge in gudmundson was fair and he went down like a fairy.
  • markmc68markmc68
    Paul hart was at bromley addicks meeting about 2 years and he said that the club was adopting zonal marking and a 433 / 451 This would be right throughout the club. From academy to first team. I know he's gone but his style is still in fashion.
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