Can people wait to see what actually happens in January before sticking the knife in.
This whole month it's felt that the squad were just waiting for reinforcements to come in, and i'm sure Bob is expecting some new faces in this window.
But there's the rub.
The new faces were needed when we doing well to keep moving forward. They didn't come other than Coquelin who then left.
The "promise" was jam tomorrow if we were still near the top six. But now we're not, largely IMHO because we didn't strengthen when we were doing well.
Well at least some of the posters who did not give an opinion when we played so well in the 2nd half on boxing day will return, I have only ever looked at our points total down to the 22th team,
In matches when we play with 2 strikers up front we always create more chances, like we did tonight. the fact that the 2 up front wen't good enough on the night does not alter that.
sounds like the one position that gomez struggled at in the defence is LB? I know there was a late change but a couple of us said play solly LB and Gomez RB.
if you don't play well enough in both boxes you lose.
The Brighton home match is vital that we are pro-active and on the front foot.
Hell's Bollocks that's a grim result. Given Ipswich's form I half expected a loss but not at 3-0.
All eyes will now be on the transfer window. RD needs to cough up some dosh and get some good players in otherwise we are well and truly stuffed. We just cannot score goals - and it looks like our defence is now falling apart.
Don't know why it's gone so pear shaped. We started the season proper in surprisingly good form. Is it just that we are so predictable that we are outplayed or is there something rotten gnawing away underneath?
Duchatelet isn't going to spend proper money FACT!
A couple of short deals or freebies maybe but i think he'll be thinking there is no prospect of promotion this season, so why spend more money on the squad. Let them bump along till the end of the season and take stock again in the summer.
It's not as if struggling to score goals is anything new. We've found it difficult to find the back of the net for a couple of years now and under three different managers. Does our 'scouting network' not see this?
Our chronic lack of goals will do us some serious damage this season. Games have been there for the taking. Don't think we are a million miles from the sides at the top but they have people that score and we don't
Perfectly put. Thought the result was harsh, to say the least.
It's not as if struggling to score goals is anything new. We've found it difficult to find the back of the net for a couple of years now and under three different managers. Does our 'scouting network' not see this?
It's not as if struggling to score goals is anything new. We've found it difficult to find the back of the net for a couple of years now and under three different managers. Does our 'scouting network' not see this?
Delort?
Plays for Wigan. We didn't sign him and then didn't have a plan B. He's hardly setting the world alight for Wigan either.
As I have said before we are in free fall like Blackpool last season and I do not think Peters is the man to turn things round. It will be interesting to see whether or not Roland is willing to give him money to reinforce the squad. Perhaps he will be thinking of a change in Manager?
Ipswich very direct but McCarthy has got a good blend of physical strength, height and Murphy & McGoldrick up front to do the damage. Think he has the right mix to get them up but CAFC might have got a point on another day and played some decent stuff - ironically, all the things I've been asking for such as better movement and quicker ball, they delivered but up against a very strong, physical Ipswich back four, that simply wasn't enough.
McGoldrick was a class above and probably deserved a goal on his overall performance - he was their best player by far, as Gudmundsson was ours.
I hope we can keep Gudmundsson next season - he's a player that several Prem clubs would look to poach.
Special mention also for Buyens & Ben Haim who both stood out as quality.
Can people wait to see what actually happens in January before sticking the knife in.
This whole month it's felt that the squad were just waiting for reinforcements to come in, and i'm sure Bob is expecting some new faces in this window.
But there's the rub.
The new faces were needed when we doing well to keep moving forward. They didn't come other than Coquelin who then left.
The "promise" was jam tomorrow if we were still near the top six. But now we're not, largely IMHO because we didn't strengthen when we were doing well.
Agree in principle but were the funds there to strengthen at the time you suggest?
It wasn't that bad to be honest, we've certainly played worse and got results this season. We couldn't take our chances (Tucudean one on one - twice) and Ipswich did. No shame in what happened tonight.
Gomez looked very uncomfortable early doors and Ipswich were targeting his side so it was a good move of Bob to switch him to the right side of the three CH's from the left. Not a dig at him as I understand his age and that he was thrown in last minute, just an observation.
Gudmundsson and Ben Haim both played very well. I wish Bikey would stop the long cross-field balls though. Vetokele and the afore mentioned Bikey look shadows of their early season selves unfortunately.
Buyers and Jackson were sound, whilst Cousins was distinctly average. Tucudean gets himself into good positions but just seems to panic in front of goal, his dive was embarrassing though.
Move on from it, they're up there for a reason. They were an all too familiar Mick McCarthy side; strong, physical and assured. They didn't have the flashy play and flicks but they stuck to their task and battled us out of the game. I was impressed with the way that they did that. They are this seasons Burnley.
On a side note they did what we should have done to Blackpool. Don't settle for one, or two goals but keep going until the final whistle, which after our heads dropped in added time could have resulted in them scoring 4 or 5. That was the difference. I'm less pissed off about tonight than I was after that Blackpool game.
There is definitely ability in this squad . I don't believe the players are performing regularly enough to their maximum ability
No surprise with the result but it definitely feels like we're looking down now rather than up Wouldn't fancy seriously Reds bet we finish above Wednesday
Concentrate on the cup but if anyone was at blackburn they won't have much hope of us getting a result unless Rovers rest a load
Untl second goal felt positive. Score line flattered Ipswich their crowd was silent until third goal. Difference was having forwards who made things happen - end of. Ipswich look pretty average to me.
Frustration is consistently seeing so much good stuff with no end result. Optimist in me says it's fixable, can't believe BP and RD will not take action.
how can anyone say Jackson had a good game he was non existent! The game by-passes him and he's knackered after an hour. Georgeous George had a mare and Igor is a million miles off the pace still. Buyens, Guddy and tbh played ok and that's about it.
how can anyone say Jackson had a good game he was non existent! The game by-passes him and he's knackered after an hour. Georgeous George had a mare and Igor is a million miles off the pace still. Buyens, Guddy and tbh played ok and that's about it.
Igor battled hard and worked his socks off but George didn't support him as he should and by 65 minutes Igor was totally knackered. George, if you read these forums, you have a responsibility to put in a decent shift to enable your link players to go the full 90.
My bet with OP is looking on the ropes now but I'm more concerned about my handicap bet vaporising - that was set to pay out 550 last month.
To stop this slide something has to change! 1) is Tony Watt arriving and will he make a difference? 2) I would have Ajdarevic back straight away. Great vision and dead ball specialist - knows the division and doing sweet FA at Liege 3) are we back in for Coquelin in January? 4) Wiggins back soon?
If Peeters can't turn this around then he has to be on borrowed time. Not saying he has to go but I simply can't see him getting to February if we keep failing to win. I've not looked at January fixtures but we've played every one now and we know there are no easy games.
We all know that to be a top six side you need three or four decent strikers but that isn't going to happen overnight.
Looking down, Brighton and Fulham are both turning their season around but delighted to see Millwall and Blackpool are not!
I can't see us going anywhere near a relegation battle because it can so easily be avoided and to be right down there again would be a complete fail.
On the flip side it simply isn't clear whether decent money will be spent in order to get the wheels back on quickly. As someone posted above M.Duchatelet has a choice - back him or sack him!
anything can happen in this years championship , so I will be very disappointed if we don't 'go for it' in January - the best form of defence is attack! Add Watt and our depth upfront its starting to look better but its elsewhere that's the problem ... we may need another CB with Guci out! Nowhere near a relegation battle imho but still only 9 points off of playoffs with almost EVERY team to play again!! COYR!!
My bet with OP is looking on the ropes now but I'm more concerned about my handicap bet vaporising - that was set to pay out 550 last month.
To stop this slide something has to change! 1) is Tony Watt arriving and will he make a difference? 2) I would have Ajdarevic back straight away. Great vision and dead ball specialist - knows the division and doing sweet FA at Liege 3) are we back in for Coquelin in January? 4) Wiggins back soon?
If Peeters can't turn this around then he has to be on borrowed time. Not saying he has to go but I simply can't see him getting to February if we keep failing to win. I've not looked at January fixtures but we've played every one now and we know there are no easy games.
We all know that to be a top six side you need three or four decent strikers but that isn't going to happen overnight.
Looking down, Brighton and Fulham are both turning their season around but delighted to see Millwall and Blackpool are not!
I can't see us going anywhere near a relegation battle because it can so easily be avoided and to be right down there again would be a complete fail.
On the flip side it simply isn't clear whether decent money will be spent in order to get the wheels back on quickly. As someone posted above M.Duchatelet has a choice - back him or sack him!
Back him - give him some reinforcements in January.
Well that was a disappointment, and I had that feeling from the moment Ozzie or whatever his name is did himself in the warm up. Poor Gomez made loads of unforced errors. That's why you cannot rely on kids to cover your first XI at this level. First 20 we did at least snap into the tackle and shape some good moves. But once we went behind, the game was up. They hit the post twice whereas their keeper had little to do all night. Ref was the polar opposite of Boxing Day, and Tuc and Bikey should be docked wages for those cards. TBH, JBG, Buyens, and of course Solly, did well but that was never going to be enough.
As someone said, their bench was very strong, but they haven't splashed on transfers. If on the other hand our only ideas for a striking reinforcements are Watt and (for heavens sake) Andy Delort then you have to ask what exactly is meant by the phrase "scouting network". Probably that's not the reality, but the reality is we need reinforcements through the spine of the team, and hope Wiggins is back soon.
Finally, none of you will be surprised at this, but what is it with this country and alcohol? Outside the station there is a pub "designated for away fans". Good. But why is it CLOSED after the game? In the station, cannot even get water. Jeez, what a country.
Oh well, let's see what January actually brings us.
I'd hate to see how some of you would react if you had genuine bad news to deal with. Jesus Christ we lost to a team in the top 2
I don't think its just about tonight though. We are dropping down the league and even though it wasn't the worse performance its our worst result of the season. A win and it all changes but until it comes people are well within their rights to be concerned about our dissmal form in the last 2/3 months.
To be honest I'm not too fussed by losing 3-0 to top of table Ipswich at their ground, it's the dropped points against the likes of Millwall and Blackpool that are going to get us in to trouble. I'm one of the rose tinted optimists and I am getting nervous over brightens visit and if I am then God knows how the team will feel.
Possession: 43-57 Shots: 16-15 (on target): 6-6 Corners: 16-4
Goals: 3-0
Ignore the result (& corners) yes easier said than done...but those stats are really impressive against a team in second place and now unbeaten in 19 games.
Yes. The first questions we must ask ourselves are:
1. Are we conceding from corners too often or are we just conceding too many corners? By law of averages, it's inevitable we will concede more than the average amount of goals if conceding more than the average amount of corners. 2. Are our strikers as clinical as they can be? The stats show we had as much of the game as the opposition tonight but still didn't put the ball in the net.
There are many others for the coaching staff to deal with but those are the ones that spring to mind immediately.
Don't be fooled by the stats! We were pretty dire tonight! Trust me, I was there!! And someone needs to take Tucadean to one side and advise him that if he wants to throw himself around like Bambi on ice he should at least back it up with a modicum of talent! Embarrassing!
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The new faces were needed when we doing well to keep moving forward. They didn't come other than Coquelin who then left.
The "promise" was jam tomorrow if we were still near the top six. But now we're not, largely IMHO because we didn't strengthen when we were doing well.
boxing day will return,
I have only ever looked at our points total down to the 22th team,
In matches when we play with 2 strikers up front we always create more chances, like we did tonight.
the fact that the 2 up front wen't good enough on the night does not alter that.
sounds like the one position that gomez struggled at in the defence is LB?
I know there was a late change but a couple of us said play solly LB and Gomez RB.
if you don't play well enough in both boxes you lose.
The Brighton home match is vital that we are pro-active and on the front foot.
All eyes will now be on the transfer window. RD needs to cough up some dosh and get some good players in otherwise we are well and truly stuffed. We just cannot score goals - and it looks like our defence is now falling apart.
Don't know why it's gone so pear shaped. We started the season proper in surprisingly good form. Is it just that we are so predictable that we are outplayed or is there something rotten gnawing away underneath?
Praying for miracles....
Thought the result was harsh, to say the least.
Ipswich very direct but McCarthy has got a good blend of physical strength, height and Murphy & McGoldrick up front to do the damage.
Think he has the right mix to get them up but CAFC might have got a point on another day and played some decent stuff - ironically, all the things I've been asking for such as better movement and quicker ball, they delivered but up against a very strong, physical Ipswich back four, that simply wasn't enough.
McGoldrick was a class above and probably deserved a goal on his overall performance - he was their best player by far, as Gudmundsson was ours.
I hope we can keep Gudmundsson next season - he's a player that several Prem clubs would look to poach.
Special mention also for Buyens & Ben Haim who both stood out as quality.
SCP was sacked with 12 points from his last 11 league games
#stirrer
Looking at our bench tonight shows how much we need reinforcements. Let's hope someone out there accepts our 50p per week wage offers.
Gomez looked very uncomfortable early doors and Ipswich were targeting his side so it was a good move of Bob to switch him to the right side of the three CH's from the left. Not a dig at him as I understand his age and that he was thrown in last minute, just an observation.
Gudmundsson and Ben Haim both played very well. I wish Bikey would stop the long cross-field balls though. Vetokele and the afore mentioned Bikey look shadows of their early season selves unfortunately.
Buyers and Jackson were sound, whilst Cousins was distinctly average. Tucudean gets himself into good positions but just seems to panic in front of goal, his dive was embarrassing though.
Move on from it, they're up there for a reason. They were an all too familiar Mick McCarthy side; strong, physical and assured. They didn't have the flashy play and flicks but they stuck to their task and battled us out of the game. I was impressed with the way that they did that. They are this seasons Burnley.
On a side note they did what we should have done to Blackpool. Don't settle for one, or two goals but keep going until the final whistle, which after our heads dropped in added time could have resulted in them scoring 4 or 5. That was the difference. I'm less pissed off about tonight than I was after that Blackpool game.
We go again, keep the faith!
COYR!
Edit: Nice to meet @Fanny Fanackapan tonight aswell.
I don't believe the players are performing regularly enough to their maximum ability
No surprise with the result but it definitely feels like we're looking down now rather than up
Wouldn't fancy seriously Reds bet we finish above Wednesday
Concentrate on the cup but if anyone was at blackburn they won't have much hope of us getting a result unless Rovers rest a load
25% 7th-12th ......70% 13th-21st...... 5% Relegation
Frustration is consistently seeing so much good stuff with no end result. Optimist in me says it's fixable, can't believe BP and RD will not take action.
Georgeous George had a mare and Igor is a million miles off the pace still.
Buyens, Guddy and tbh played ok and that's about it.
George, if you read these forums, you have a responsibility to put in a decent shift to enable your link players to go the full 90.
To stop this slide something has to change!
1) is Tony Watt arriving and will he make a difference?
2) I would have Ajdarevic back straight away. Great vision and dead ball specialist - knows the division and doing sweet FA at Liege
3) are we back in for Coquelin in January?
4) Wiggins back soon?
If Peeters can't turn this around then he has to be on borrowed time. Not saying he has to go but I simply can't see him getting to February if we keep failing to win. I've not looked at January fixtures but we've played every one now and we know there are no easy games.
We all know that to be a top six side you need three or four decent strikers but that isn't going to happen overnight.
Looking down, Brighton and Fulham are both turning their season around but delighted to see Millwall and Blackpool are not!
I can't see us going anywhere near a relegation battle because it can so easily be avoided and to be right down there again would be a complete fail.
On the flip side it simply isn't clear whether decent money will be spent in order to get the wheels back on quickly. As someone posted above M.Duchatelet has a choice - back him or sack him!
Add Watt and our depth upfront its starting to look better but its elsewhere that's the problem ... we may need another CB with Guci out!
Nowhere near a relegation battle imho but still only 9 points off of playoffs with almost EVERY team to play again!!
COYR!!
As someone said, their bench was very strong, but they haven't splashed on transfers. If on the other hand our only ideas for a striking reinforcements are Watt and (for heavens sake) Andy Delort then you have to ask what exactly is meant by the phrase "scouting network". Probably that's not the reality, but the reality is we need reinforcements through the spine of the team, and hope Wiggins is back soon.
Finally, none of you will be surprised at this, but what is it with this country and alcohol? Outside the station there is a pub "designated for away fans". Good. But why is it CLOSED after the game? In the station, cannot even get water. Jeez, what a country.
Oh well, let's see what January actually brings us.
I've been watching Charlton for 50 years now.
I've known it worse.