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Reality Check

colin1961colin1961
in General Charlton
Reality Check needed by a lot of fans on this and other sites.....the present board and manager have only just begun building the club that takes time...the football we are watching this season is the best for a number of years.
People need to remember where we were this time last season and the football we were watching .....we are years ahead of that with better players but the job as only just started in getting us back up to the top league, its going to take time. The signs are very good

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  • shirty5shirty5
    Good post. You are right it will take some time, though sadly some people want success now and don't look at the wider view.

  • HalixHalix
    You must also recognise that the management should sieze any opportunities that arise, spot that this is a piss poor league and invest some money in a striker when we still had the chance to reach the play offs. It's ok to look to the long term but players and fans have only limited patience, and when you go to a match and the best result you can imagine is a to grab a goal and hang on to a one nil win its not very encouraging.

    We have a appalling goal scoring record, and nothing has been done to address this problem bar push Harriott up front because he got a few goals at the the tail end of last year. we need someone to score goals it's plain embarrassing to watch the ball crossing the centre circle repeatedly yesterday with no one in the box.

    I don't think this season has provided the best football, without any end product or cutting edge the pretty passes are a waste of time.
  • HalixHalix
    edited November 2014
    shirty5 said:

    Good post. You are right it will take some time, though sadly some people want success now and don't look at the wider view.

    The whole point of football is to win games, without a reasonable chance of scoring there's no point in a wider view. Address the major issues first, as a priority, then focus on the wider view. You don't improve your garden before tackling the fire in your front room! There are times in management when fire fighting has to necesarily take priority over long term plans.

    I'm sorry Shirty but I Just don't like going to games when we have such a limited chance of scoring, other teams know we can't score and plan accordingly. Ok things take time but how many are happy to pay cash each week to see no end product, the season tickets had better be cheap next year, because if we have to rely on the ground being filled by those taking a wider view, we could play at Welling.
  • Kap10Kap10
    The season tickets are the cheapest in the league and the crowds are up on last year. We are a club in transition.
  • daveaddickdaveaddick
    Don't care what anyone else thinks this team is way better than the one playing for us a year ago
  • Davo55Davo55
    edited November 2014
    Agree - but isn't it also part of our role as fans to be a little impatient, to always want a little bit more, to be a bit better? We stick with Charlton through thick and mostly thin, very often for many decades; I reckon that entitles us to be a bit arsy now and then.
  • Addickted2TheRedsAddickted2TheReds
    On the 30th of November 2013 we lost 1-0 to Ipswich at home. We ended the game in 20th place, having played 17 games with a grand total of 17 points.

    Yesterday we finished the game having lost to Ipswich in 10th place, 3 points off the play-offs, with 28 points from 19 games.

    No reality check needed. We are not going to get promoted, we knew that at the start of the season. However we are in a better position than 12 months ago, we have RD to thank for that.
  • bazjonsterbazjonster
    Halix said:

    You must also recognise that the management should sieze any opportunities that arise, spot that this is a piss poor league and invest some money in a striker when we still had the chance to reach the play offs

    Always cracks me up, the 'poor league' excuse! It's just a cop out; how do you measure that it's a piss poor league? Does being a spectator make it a well informed observation? How much of it do you watch to give the comment any credibility? It's a league that, in the main, is quite evenly matched. That doesn't make it piss poor.

    Much rather what we are watching at present against some of the stuff over the last few years! Yes, the odd inspired signing may make a difference but can we please walk before we run!!
  • PeterGagePeterGage
    Start with stating the obvious- we are a far better team than last year, but: I want to be entertained. I don't want to watch a first, say, 15 minute spell when we dominate the game, score a goal and then sit back for the remainder of the game. I then sit there, watching the clock and praying for the final whistle. It must be the only form of "entertainment" when one is praying for the end. Playing just one upfront at home adds to my frustration.

    I have now stop attending games this season, at least for now. 150 mile return trip, with it's inherent high costs, is to me, simply not worth it. Most of us have a limited weekly "entertainment" pot of money, which creates choices how one spends that money. I do hope a change of style and an improvement in the entertainment package is forthcoming soon.

    I understand and accept we are in a transitional stage and that Rome was not built in a day, but.........
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  • Addickted2TheRedsAddickted2TheReds
    Agree. It's not a piss poor league. I took an Arsenal "fan" yesterday, he was completely shocked at how good the standard was yesterday.

    Also, I think that our games have really upped in quality this season. I feel that the other teams have improved. However, this might simply be to do with the fact that we are actually trying to play football ourselves instead of the anti-football that we have been used to seeing.
  • LenGloverLenGlover
    There is a distinction between 'piss poor' and even.

    Anyone can beat anyone else in this league with the possible exception of Blackpool and even they got a good result yesterday.
  • Atletico AddickAtletico Addick
    Every time there's a little reaction to a loss, I'm sure the same old characters make a bigger deal of it than it needs to be telling the rest of the forum they need a reality check... lol

    If you don't get pissed off in some form when we lose then you probably don't care enough.

    We move on and upwards, let the doubt sink in if it becomes a trend of ours to get Charlton-ed, so to speak.
  • RedChaserRedChaser
    edited November 2014
    Nobody likes losing especially in the dying embers of a game and some take it harder than others but I was quite philosophical as I left the ground.

    We played some good football in an entertaining end to end game and on another day could have scored four or five. If we play like that every week with a bit more composure in front of goal we will win more than we will lose and someone will get a stuffing from us sooner or later.

    No reality check needed for me, so far so good this season, the club is progressing nicely. COYRs
  • nth_london_addicknth_london_addick
    People have picked the wrong club to see a free flowing 0000000s spending, goals a plenty football team, we haven't had one of those in my life time it's not a reality check, this is the most charlton like period in the last decade, it finally has a progressive feel to it
  • HalixHalix
    edited November 2014
    Always cracks me up, the 'poor league' excuse! It's just a cop out; how do you measure that it's a piss poor league? Does being a spectator make it a well informed observation? How much of it do you watch to give the comment any credibility? It's a league that, in the main, is quite evenly matched. That doesn't make it piss
    Maybe piss poor is too strong, I'm happy to compromise on average as I have yet to see a team that will hold its own in the premier, or which has dominated play as the stronger teams have done in previous years.

    Being a spectator does allow me to make an OBSERVATION (as opposed to stating FACT) I don't know how you establish sufficient credentials to obtain credibility, perhaps you could advise us what qualifications you have to definitively counter my OPINION?
  • seriously_redseriously_red
    Look at the team yesterday - Harriott, Cousins, Solly, Fox from the academy. Ben Haim, Bikey, Coquelin, Vetokele, Gudmundsson brand new. Pope and Jackson from the previous squad.
    So our reserve keeper and an aging captain is what Staprix had to work with when remodelling the club over the summer.
    Powell Jiminez and Slater got us out of league 1 and kept us in the Championship. Riga finished that job, that era.
    We are now mid-table with the youngest squad in the division mostly on long term contracts.
    Question is whether Harriott, Vetokele and Gudmundsson can find their shooting boots?

    And to correct the OP, we are one year ahead of where we were last time we played Ipswich at home.... Not years!
    Same result as with Millwall away last March vs last week but a very different outlook.

    Steady progress on and off the pitch not least with the financials showing our losses are stable and reducing year on year. Some believe the financials don't matter or that they haven't changed. The fact of the matter is that our losses have gone from £7m a year down to £5m. That is with a better squad today. Losses are set to continue to improve and that is with a much higher player amortisation budget - players like Vetokele have their fees written off over time.
    If we acquire quality young players in January that will cost money but their cost is spread over time. As our finances over time improve we can afford more/better players...and our existing squad develops.

    As stated last May, once we survived the relegation threat we had an excellent platform to build upon and that has been delivered.

    I wonder what the next six months looks like? Fairly sure there will be some news on the academy in there.
  • golfaddickgolfaddick
    edited November 2014
    Addickted2TheReds said:

    On the 30th of November 2013 we lost 1-0 to Ipswich at home. We ended the game in 20th place, having played 17 games with a grand total of 17 points.

    Yesterday we finished the game having lost to Ipswich in 10th place, 3 points off the play-offs, with 28 points from 19 games.

    No reality check needed. We are not going to get promoted, we knew that at the start of the season. However we are in a better position than 12 months ago, we have RD to thank for that.

    ,,,,,,and 2 games later (19 games) we had scored 16 goals to this seasons 20, so not a lot of difference there at all. Apart from Igor the main difference this season is our defence. Without Bikey & BTH I reckon we would be in the bottom 6. Its certainly not our goal scoring prowess that is keeping where we are at the moment.

    Season after season we struggle to score. Since relegation from the Premiership we have not had a decent, 20 goal a season striker, (apart from BWP & that was to get us out of the League 1 and once we got back into this division he was dropped like a hot brick) .....and we have had loads to choose from !!


    Benson
    Burton
    Church
    Gray
    Iwelumo
    McLeod
    Mooney
    Sodje
    Varney

    and they are just the well known, experienced ones !!
  • nth_london_addicknth_london_addick
    But we do have good defence and that's why we are where we are

    Football ain't just about scoring
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  • LenGloverLenGlover
    golfaddick said:

    Addickted2TheReds said:

    On the 30th of November 2013 we lost 1-0 to Ipswich at home. We ended the game in 20th place, having played 17 games with a grand total of 17 points.

    Yesterday we finished the game having lost to Ipswich in 10th place, 3 points off the play-offs, with 28 points from 19 games.

    No reality check needed. We are not going to get promoted, we knew that at the start of the season. However we are in a better position than 12 months ago, we have RD to thank for that.

    ,,,,,,and 2 games later (19 games) we had scored 16 goals to this seasons 20, so not a lot of difference there at all. Apart from Igor the main difference this season is our defence. Without Bikey & BTH I reckon we would be in the bottom 6. Its certainly not our goal scoring prowess that is keeping where we are at the moment.

    Season after season we struggle to score. Since relegation from the Premiership we have not had a decent, 20 goal a season striker, (apart from BWP & that was to get us out of the League 1 and once we got back into this division he was dropped like a hot brick) .....and we have had loads to choose from !!


    Benson
    Burton
    Church
    Gray
    Iwelumo
    McLeod
    Mooney
    Sodje
    Varney

    and they are just the well known, experienced ones !!
    To the best of my knowledge Benson, McLeod and Varney all scored 20 goals in a season and it's quite possible some of the others have too.

    The step up to Championship or better is difficult. Benson showed that the step up from league 2 to league 1 was difficult.

    That said most strikers are only as good as the service they get. The likes of Kevin Lisbie could create their own chances but the finishing was not as clinical.

    If they had it all they wouldn't be paying for us that's the reality!
  • grumpyaddickgrumpyaddick

    The pitch is better, the players are better, the catering is better, the style is better, the youngsters are given a chance, the financial management is better so why does it feel so.... well... boring and Belgian ?
  • Addickted2TheRedsAddickted2TheReds
    You going to buy one for us then Golfie?
  • Henry IrvingHenry Irving
    As I think the Buddha said "don't get too high with the highs or too low with the lows'
  • soapboxsamsoapboxsam
    Henry Irving said:

    As I think the Buddha said "don't get too high with the highs or too low with the lows'

    The Buddha nicked that quote from Curbs.

  • seriously_redseriously_red
    grumpyaddick said:


    The pitch is better, the players are better, the catering is better, the style is better, the youngsters are given a chance, the financial management is better so why does it feel so.... well... boring and Belgian ?

    Sustainability isn't exciting but we are following a club which will be here in five-ten years time. And when we do develop / acquire the final pieces of the jigsaw then we will be in the top six. There is precision about what has been executed in the last 11 months and we haven't seen any 3-0 wins of late... But maybe next week's cup draw will add excitement?
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