As good as Buyens has been, I'd say winning games and being high up the table goes some way to explain why people won't be thinking about Poyet.
If Buyens hadn't settled in so quickly and our midfield was being overrun on a weekly basis I am sure the more vocal Poyet critics would not be so dismissive of his talent. That said, for me the real sticking point with Diego is the manner of his leaving (as I have said many times before!) and while I think he is already a good player and could potentially be a truly great one, I wouldn't want him back for that reason - nothing to do with his undoubted ability on the pitch.
What was wrong with the manner of his leaving?
He wanted to push on with his career and maximise his earning potential. Something that I am sure many people on this board have done and will continue to do.
Probably best that this particular can of worms remains firmly closed.
By the manner of his leaving I mean the fact he dropped several hints that there were mind games being played by the top level management, or that he was being 'forced' down a certain route - certain posters on here were proposing the theory he would be made to go to Liege for example, based on no real evidence whatsoever (and it being illegal under current laws of the game.) We've had confirmation from both Riga and Katrien that they wanted to open negotiations much earlier, but Diego wasn't going to.
If he wanted to maximise his earning, then that is fair enough, I freely admit I would do the same... BUT be man enough to admit it. He wanted to go, that is his right - so his playing the victim doesn't sit at all well with me. The move was entirely of his making, he got what he wanted so if he's suddenly finding being stuck on the bench isn't as fun as he expected then he'll just have to suck it up as far as I'm concerned.
As good as Buyens has been, I'd say winning games and being high up the table goes some way to explain why people won't be thinking about Poyet.
If Buyens hadn't settled in so quickly and our midfield was being overrun on a weekly basis I am sure the more vocal Poyet critics would not be so dismissive of his talent. That said, for me the real sticking point with Diego is the manner of his leaving (as I have said many times before!) and while I think he is already a good player and could potentially be a truly great one, I wouldn't want him back for that reason - nothing to do with his undoubted ability on the pitch.
What was wrong with the manner of his leaving?
He wanted to push on with his career and maximise his earning potential. Something that I am sure many people on this board have done and will continue to do.
Probably best that this particular can of worms remains firmly closed.
By the manner of his leaving I mean the fact he dropped several hints that there were mind games being played by the top level management, or that he was being 'forced' down a certain route - certain posters on here were proposing the theory he would be made to go to Liege for example, based on no real evidence whatsoever (and it being illegal under current laws of the game.) We've had confirmation from both Riga and Katrien that they wanted to open negotiations much earlier, but Diego wasn't going to.
If he wanted to maximise his earning, then that is fair enough, I freely admit I would do the same... BUT be man enough to admit it. He wanted to go, that is his right - so his playing the victim doesn't sit at all well with me. The move was entirely of his making, he got what he wanted so if he's suddenly finding being stuck on the bench isn't as fun as he expected then he'll just have to suck it up as far as I'm concerned.
Because that will endear him to the Wham fans..... ' I loved my time at Charlton, and sorry I couldn't stay....didn't really want to come to Wham, but they offered me more money than my wildest dreams, I will happily sit on the bench and cash my weekly paycheque'
Buyens is very good, but Poyet is on a different level to him. Lets not get ahead of ourselves now.
I disagree. I think Poyet has the potential to be better than Buyens, no doubt. But Buyens has more to his game at the moment than Diego does.
Buyens seems to be able to turn defense into attack a lot quicker than Poyet did and he's a bit more inventive. Really rate Buyens.
I really rate him too, but I do think Buyens' ability to turn defence into attack is heavily assisted by him having outlets to make those attacking passes.
In the team we had last year there we were lacking so much going forward that the best Poyet could realistically do is keep possession, which he did faultlessly. Its a lot harder to turn defense into attack when the outlets you are working with are Church, Sordell and Harriott - compared to Gundmundsson and Vetokele.
That works both ways then doesn't it? Do his teammates get any credit for his performances last season?
It doesn't necessarily work both ways. As I said, Poyet was incredible at keeping possession, but that is because his teammates were not very good at receiving the ball or being in the right place to make us more attacking.
Without Poyet in the side then I think we would have got relegated last season. Those who refuse to give him the credit he deserves will pretend to laugh at that statement, but then again it was us Charlton Life posters who gave him MOTM in near enough every single game he played in, and then voted him Player of the Season.
Relegated without him? That's nonsense I'm afraid and completely discredits the efforts of Riga, the goals of Jackson, Cousins, Harriott, Reza and Sordell in crucial games, not to mention Ben Hamer.
Sometimes I wish I could like a post more than once. Thank goodness some people remember it's a team game!
As I mentioned in other threads. Buyens-The Belgian Pirlo - La Regista. I'm enjoying his passing, vision, composure, tactical awareness, use of space, movement and excellent penalty taking. He dictates the tempo of our play and provides continuity in our system. Long may it continue.
Poyet did us out of a fair amount of money which could have been used to boost our team even further this season, and for that Im not likely to forget him anytime soon. I dont remember him fondly at all, we barely got half a season out of the tosser after all the years of development.
Buyens is as good as Poyet was last season though, and in some ways better. Doesnt have the potential (hence why Poyet might have been considered better if he'd stayed) and isnt our player as such but doing very well indeed.
Whether Poyet will achieve his potential or not as he doesnt get any game time rotting away in the reserves of a hoofball club doesn't bother me in the slightest.
As good as Buyens has been, I'd say winning games and being high up the table goes some way to explain why people won't be thinking about Poyet.
If Buyens hadn't settled in so quickly and our midfield was being overrun on a weekly basis I am sure the more vocal Poyet critics would not be so dismissive of his talent. That said, for me the real sticking point with Diego is the manner of his leaving (as I have said many times before!) and while I think he is already a good player and could potentially be a truly great one, I wouldn't want him back for that reason - nothing to do with his undoubted ability on the pitch.
What was wrong with the manner of his leaving?
He wanted to push on with his career and maximise his earning potential. Something that I am sure many people on this board have done and will continue to do.
Probably best that this particular can of worms remains firmly closed.
By the manner of his leaving I mean the fact he dropped several hints that there were mind games being played by the top level management, or that he was being 'forced' down a certain route - certain posters on here were proposing the theory he would be made to go to Liege for example, based on no real evidence whatsoever (and it being illegal under current laws of the game.) We've had confirmation from both Riga and Katrien that they wanted to open negotiations much earlier, but Diego wasn't going to.
If he wanted to maximise his earning, then that is fair enough, I freely admit I would do the same... BUT be man enough to admit it. He wanted to go, that is his right - so his playing the victim doesn't sit at all well with me. The move was entirely of his making, he got what he wanted so if he's suddenly finding being stuck on the bench isn't as fun as he expected then he'll just have to suck it up as far as I'm concerned.
Because that will endear him to the Wham fans..... ' I loved my time at Charlton, and sorry I couldn't stay....didn't really want to come to Wham, but they offered me more money than my wildest dreams, I will happily sit on the bench and cash my weekly paycheque'
Or just give the whole 'massive club, history, opportunity blah blah blah' spiel, they'll love that. Just don't try and pretend you were part of some Machiavellian scheme designed to force you (one of the best prospects we've ever had) out, for free... for some reason.
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If he wanted to maximise his earning, then that is fair enough, I freely admit I would do the same... BUT be man enough to admit it. He wanted to go, that is his right - so his playing the victim doesn't sit at all well with me. The move was entirely of his making, he got what he wanted so if he's suddenly finding being stuck on the bench isn't as fun as he expected then he'll just have to suck it up as far as I'm concerned.
Buyens is as good as Poyet was last season though, and in some ways better. Doesnt have the potential (hence why Poyet might have been considered better if he'd stayed) and isnt our player as such but doing very well indeed.
Whether Poyet will achieve his potential or not as he doesnt get any game time rotting away in the reserves of a hoofball club doesn't bother me in the slightest.