Its nice having an overseas player desperate to come to us.
I would be wary of believing anything attributed to this bloke. "He" has also earlier tweeted Lens fans that he promises he will play for their club one day. Why?
"He" also claims that last year he agreed to come to Tours for half his previous salary. I wonder why he would agree to do that, and why other French clubs weren't queuing up to sign him if he was making himself so cheap.
I could be wrong but I work on the basis that his agent (his Dad?) runs his Twitter feed and everything attributed to him is a load of bollocks until 100% proven otherwise.
The idea that Brentford have bid 4.4m euros and now it is up to Charlton to outbid them is of course an idea that his commercial advisers would love people to propagate on the web. That way, people get used to the idea that this is what he is worth. Yet even transfermarkt put his value at only €1.2m. Can anyone give any good rational reason why we should pay more for him than for Vetokele?
Its a load of bollocks....
I've got a funny feeling that the club won't sign him based on his Twitter feed and his valuation by a website created by a 20 year old virgin sitting in his pants on his parents internet connection.
He will have be watched by scouts and I'd imagine BP will have now watched videos of him. Add to the fact that Brentford will also have likely assessed him as well. RD also appears to be a pretty shrewd man so he won't let Tours take the piss.
As fans all we can do is welcome the lad if/when he gets here but I still stand by the fact he will want to be here and he will relish the opportunity.
I just find it slightly strange that grown men have become so impatient and wound up by the whole thing. Like it HAS to be done now.
Its nice having an overseas player desperate to come to us.
I would be wary of believing anything attributed to this bloke. "He" has also earlier tweeted Lens fans that he promises he will play for their club one day. Why?
"He" also claims that last year he agreed to come to Tours for half his previous salary. I wonder why he would agree to do that, and why other French clubs weren't queuing up to sign him if he was making himself so cheap.
I could be wrong but I work on the basis that his agent (his Dad?) runs his Twitter feed and everything attributed to him is a load of bollocks until 100% proven otherwise.
The idea that Brentford have bid 4.4m euros and now it is up to Charlton to outbid them is of course an idea that his commercial advisers would love people to propagate on the web. That way, people get used to the idea that this is what he is worth. Yet even transfermarkt put his value at only €1.2m. Can anyone give any good rational reason why we should pay more for him than for Vetokele?
Its a load of bollocks....
I just find it slightly strange that grown men have become so impatient and wound up by the whole thing. Like it HAS to be done now.
Not me in that category. If we wait, and get him for a sensible fee as a result of waiting, then I'm right with it.
However, you say he has been watched by scouts. Well...the press talk about his sale started 4 weeks ago, and by my count 12 clubs, before Charlton were linked to him. I think we should all carefully compare the differences with Vetokele. In that case none of us had heard of him, but he was brought up in Belgian football and had worked with BP. So we moved for him before Sky could even spell his name. This bloke has not been scouted - he has been touted. Not to say that he might not be good. Top score in Ligue 2 has to have something. But not at €4m, come on. That is to just succumb to agent hype.
€500k down and the rest on performance. That sounds more like it.
Prague, what makes you think he hasn't been scouted? The network have a number of scouts who are very heavily involved in watching French Football. Your figure of 500000 euros is laughable. Transfer fees are vastly inflated. Look at Ross McCormack, an experienced Championship striker who has joined a Championship team for 11 Million pounds. Delort must have something about him for Brentford to bid over 4 M for him. I do not want Charlton bidding anything like that but a fee of 2.5 Million I would be happy with. If he has a good season in the Championship his value would soar. He is also of the right age where he will improve.
Prague, what makes you think he hasn't been scouted? The network have a number of scouts who are very heavily involved in watching French Football. Your figure of 500000 euros is laughable. Transfer fees are vastly inflated. Look at Ross McCormack, an experienced Championship striker who has joined a Championship team for 11 Million pounds. Delort must have something about him for Brentford to bid over 4 M for him. I do not want Charlton bidding anything like that but a fee of 2.5 Million I would be happy with. If he has a good season in the Championship his value would soar. He is also of the right age where he will improve.
I think he has not been scouted in the same way Vetokele was because of the key difference in how the two transfers (or one transfer) were executed. We clearly knew all about Vetokele and had him on a hit list very early on. Wham bang thank you man, job done, before you or I had ever heard his name. Good work, hats off to all concerned. Now, as I said, Delort is all over every bloody European webpage before our name is even linked. If we had scouted him before the season ended, would we not have been first in this - alleged - queue? Why wasn't there a similar queue for Vetokele? Answer, because the queue is created by Tours and the player's reps to jack the price up.
I have also learnt over several years from Charlton directors that the quoted prices in the press are never, ever what is paid down, nowadays instalments, sell ons, and conditional payments are the norm. However clubs and agents prefer to publicise the maximum price for PR purposes. In the agents case, this is the price that Transfermarkt will use, thus automatically increasing the player's value, and the agent's cut, next time around.
If Brentford were to pay 4m for anyone or any thing, it would have to come straight from their owner's pocket. There is no way on earth they have that kind of cash lying around. Nor do they have our network enhanced scouting system. Up to you, but I'm not buying all this crap, and if we get him at all it won't be for anything like the money discussed, at least not until he actually starts banging in the goals. And if we lose him, that's OK, I trust RD and co on this one 100%.
If we don't get Delort, (who knows what's going on now), then I would hope we have an alternative. For me, we have a talent in Vetokele. It's too early to judge Tucudean. Church will have to improve immeasurably on last season, and from what I've seen of Piggott I don't know if he's got a future here. So that really is only 2 strikers IMO. The promotion season started with BWP and Hayes. Although I thought Hayes was a good player, we saw Kermorgant was the missing piece. Silly to draw comparisons, but it may be that it we make a similar acquisition this season and that could be the catalyst.
Its nice having an overseas player desperate to come to us.
I would be wary of believing anything attributed to this bloke. "He" has also earlier tweeted Lens fans that he promises he will play for their club one day. Why?
"He" also claims that last year he agreed to come to Tours for half his previous salary. I wonder why he would agree to do that, and why other French clubs weren't queuing up to sign him if he was making himself so cheap.
I could be wrong but I work on the basis that his agent (his Dad?) runs his Twitter feed and everything attributed to him is a load of bollocks until 100% proven otherwise.
The idea that Brentford have bid 4.4m euros and now it is up to Charlton to outbid them is of course an idea that his commercial advisers would love people to propagate on the web. That way, people get used to the idea that this is what he is worth. Yet even transfermarkt put his value at only €1.2m. Can anyone give any good rational reason why we should pay more for him than for Vetokele?
Its a load of bollocks....
I just find it slightly strange that grown men have become so impatient and wound up by the whole thing. Like it HAS to be done now.
€500k down and the rest on performance. That sounds more like it.
Prague, what makes you think he hasn't been scouted? The network have a number of scouts who are very heavily involved in watching French Football. Your figure of 500000 euros is laughable. Transfer fees are vastly inflated. Look at Ross McCormack, an experienced Championship striker who has joined a Championship team for 11 Million pounds. Delort must have something about him for Brentford to bid over 4 M for him. I do not want Charlton bidding anything like that but a fee of 2.5 Million I would be happy with. If he has a good season in the Championship his value would soar. He is also of the right age where he will improve.
I have also learnt over several years from Charlton directors that the quoted prices in the press are never, ever what is paid down, nowadays instalments, sell ons, and conditional payments are the norm.
I know nothing about Delort and nor do I have any idea what's been going on behind the scenes, but both of these comments are spot on in my view, for what that's worth.
However, I suspect that the problem here is that the owner of the selling Club needs the money now. A very attractive deal, based on appearances, goals, Charlton's league table position and sell on percentage, which Duchatelet might be prepared to agree to, doesn't help solve Tours' immediate cash flow problem.
Such a deal might get signed eventually though. If Tours need the cash, a deal which offers some cash upfront as well as attractive add-ons is better than no deal and no cash.
As an aside, it has always seemed to me that many Clubs make the mistake of getting too focused on a particular player and then pull out all the stops to sign him, forgetting that there are many more fish in the sea. This often applies especially to current players. Avoiding the lack of budgetary discipline which this emotionally charged behaviour creates, requires judgement, discipline, patience and a certain detachment. I suspect Duchatelet has those qualities and we're seeing them in action here as with did with Dorian Dervite, for example.
Finally, I think that for many years Charlton have lived hand-to-mouth, focusing on building a team for the current or coming season. While we need a team that's competitive in the Championship now, Duchatelet's primary focus appears to be on building a squad which will develop and improve, emerging as Play-Off contenders on a 2-3 year view. Hence, there will be an element of opportunism in the signing of players. If good players with potential are available at an acceptable price, we'll buy them, but the owner is not going to be pressurised into behaving imprudently.
pains me to say it ;-) but I agree with what Prague has said. We have all been drawn in by agent/Dad talk and all believe we have offered 3m Euro and Brentford 4m Euro but we have no real idea if these offers have been made at all. Andy says he wants to join us and has rejected all other moves to sign for us. I would like to believe it but feel that if say Boro agreed a fee today he'd be off there like a shot. I think RD and BP are too smart to put all our efforts into getting Delort and ignore other possibilities. Not saying Delort won't sign before the end of the window but it wouldn't suprise me if we signed another target and probably someone else we hadn't heard of too.
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He will have be watched by scouts and I'd imagine BP will have now watched videos of him. Add to the fact that Brentford will also have likely assessed him as well. RD also appears to be a pretty shrewd man so he won't let Tours take the piss.
As fans all we can do is welcome the lad if/when he gets here but I still stand by the fact he will want to be here and he will relish the opportunity.
I just find it slightly strange that grown men have become so impatient and wound up by the whole thing. Like it HAS to be done now.
However, you say he has been watched by scouts. Well...the press talk about his sale started 4 weeks ago, and by my count 12 clubs, before Charlton were linked to him. I think we should all carefully compare the differences with Vetokele. In that case none of us had heard of him, but he was brought up in Belgian football and had worked with BP. So we moved for him before Sky could even spell his name. This bloke has not been scouted - he has been touted. Not to say that he might not be good. Top score in Ligue 2 has to have something. But not at €4m, come on. That is to just succumb to agent hype.
€500k down and the rest on performance. That sounds more like it.
I have also learnt over several years from Charlton directors that the quoted prices in the press are never, ever what is paid down, nowadays instalments, sell ons, and conditional payments are the norm. However clubs and agents prefer to publicise the maximum price for PR purposes. In the agents case, this is the price that Transfermarkt will use, thus automatically increasing the player's value, and the agent's cut, next time around.
If Brentford were to pay 4m for anyone or any thing, it would have to come straight from their owner's pocket. There is no way on earth they have that kind of cash lying around. Nor do they have our network enhanced scouting system. Up to you, but I'm not buying all this crap, and if we get him at all it won't be for anything like the money discussed, at least not until he actually starts banging in the goals. And if we lose him, that's OK, I trust RD and co on this one 100%.
However, I suspect that the problem here is that the owner of the selling Club needs the money now. A very attractive deal, based on appearances, goals, Charlton's league table position and sell on percentage, which Duchatelet might be prepared to agree to, doesn't help solve Tours' immediate cash flow problem.
Such a deal might get signed eventually though. If Tours need the cash, a deal which offers some cash upfront as well as attractive add-ons is better than no deal and no cash.
As an aside, it has always seemed to me that many Clubs make the mistake of getting too focused on a particular player and then pull out all the stops to sign him, forgetting that there are many more fish in the sea. This often applies especially to current players. Avoiding the lack of budgetary discipline which this emotionally charged behaviour creates, requires judgement, discipline, patience and a certain detachment. I suspect Duchatelet has those qualities and we're seeing them in action here as with did with Dorian Dervite, for example.
Finally, I think that for many years Charlton have lived hand-to-mouth, focusing on building a team for the current or coming season. While we need a team that's competitive in the Championship now, Duchatelet's primary focus appears to be on building a squad which will develop and improve, emerging as Play-Off contenders on a 2-3 year view. Hence, there will be an element of opportunism in the signing of players. If good players with potential are available at an acceptable price, we'll buy them, but the owner is not going to be pressurised into behaving imprudently.