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Why isn't Sean McCann in the Valiant 500? Did he really play for Charlton?

theguardian.com/books/2011/jun/17/colum-mccann-my-heroes

'My earliest hero was my father, Sean McCann. He was a journalist, a football player, a radio announcer, but most of all he was – and still is – the man who announced possibility. As a younger man he had gone from Dublin to London, where he was a goalkeeper with Charlton Athletic. So, in the 1970s, I grew up on football'.
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  • edited August 2014
    If he isn't in Valiant 500 or the more recent handbooks he didn't play for the first team. However, there are plenty of people who played for the colts and sometimes even the reserves but never made the first team and this is where we relied upon Colin Cameron himself, as he collected this information too as far as possible.

    For whatever reason there are lots of people who claim to have played for the club without being too specific at which level - and quite a lot of them are complete fantasists who never played at all. Occasionally friends and relatives contact the club for details before a celebration or a funeral and are disappointed to discover the truth - or they were when the club could tell them, thanks to Colin.
  • Well, in that article it sounds like he played rather a lot. Maybe he's too used to writing fiction.

    He says that he was goalkeeper during the seventies which was just before my time but I know you were going Airman, and it sounds like you've never heard of him.
  • I've been going since about 1970 & had a S/T since 1972 & I've never heard of him.
  • I just sent him a message:

    Mr Mcann,

    You claim that your father played football for Charlton Athletic but I find no record of him at all in reliable Charlton Athletic records. Could you please substantiate your claim?

    Regards,

    David Target.
  • I've been going since about 1970 & had a S/T since 1972 & I've never heard of him.

    You can tell him that in a message on this site if you want, lol

    colum-mccann.fr/site/portrait_de_colum_mccann_&600&cmc01.html?2
  • I've been going since about 1970 & had a S/T since 1972 & I've never heard of him.

    You can tell him that in a message on this site if you want, lol

    colum-mccann.fr/site/portrait_de_colum_mccann_&600&cmc01.html?2
    I did.
  • Not a name I can remember since 1963
  • If he isn't in Valiant 500 or the more recent handbooks he didn't play for the first team. However, there are plenty of people who played for the colts and sometimes even the reserves but never made the first team and this is where we relied upon Colin Cameron himself, as he collected this information too as far as possible.

    For whatever reason there are lots of people who claim to have played for the club without being too specific at which level - and quite a lot of them are complete fantasists who never played at all. Occasionally friends and relatives contact the club for details before a celebration or a funeral and are disappointed to discover the truth - or they were when the club could tell them, thanks to Colin.

    We had one in our bar a few years back, when I told him I would look him up in the V500 and bring it in to show him his entry the next day, he beat a hasty retreat and never returned...

  • The article was in The Guardian so it's very unlikely to have any element of truth in it at all. We're probably looking for someone who wasn't Irish and played in the 1990s rather than 1970s.
  • cafcfan said:

    The article was in The Guardian so it's very unlikely to have any element of truth in it at all. We're probably looking for someone who wasn't Irish and played in the 1990s rather than 1970s.

    Please elaborate on your comment re The Guardian.
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  • Colum McCann does not say that his father played in the 1970's, but that he (Colum) grew up in the 1970's. You can see from google that there was a keeper called Sean McCann who played in the 40's and 50's, including for Irish international amateur sides, and expect this was the man. I have no idea if he played for charlton, but if not it's still quite easy to believe that he had a trial and/or some reserve turn outs, leading to a family legend that he was a Charlton player. Tone of message to Colum McCann seems pretty unfriendly, I won't be surprised if he prefers to ignore it!
  • Colum McCann does not say that his father played in the 1970's, but that he (Colum) grew up in the 1970's. You can see from google that there was a keeper called Sean McCann who played in the 40's and 50's, including for Irish international amateur sides, and expect this was the man. I have no idea if he played for charlton, but if not it's still quite easy to believe that he had a trial and/or some reserve turn outs, leading to a family legend that he was a Charlton player. Tone of message to Colum McCann seems pretty unfriendly, I won't be surprised if he prefers to ignore it!
  • waldo said:

    cafcfan said:

    The article was in The Guardian so it's very unlikely to have any element of truth in it at all. We're probably looking for someone who wasn't Irish and played in the 1990s rather than 1970s.

    Please elaborate on your comment re The Guardian.
    It's a long-running and amusing concept in Private Eye that The Grauniad - as they called it - was incapable of printing stories without huge numbers of mistakes/typos. The satirical magazine took the idea to extreme lengths by suggesting that they couldn't even get the name of the paper right. The paper's in on the gag itself as it has registered the grauniad.co.uk web address which redirects to its real site.

    While spell check has (almost) removed the problem, they still get themselves into trouble with inaccuracies that have more to do with incompetent journalism and ideology than anything else.

    Here's some examples: pressgazette.co.uk/pcc-censures-guardian-over-particularly-concerning-inaccuracies-its-reporting-privy-council

    huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/19/guardian-should-be-blacklisted-over-benefits-inaccuracies_n_5352146.html

    wattsupwiththat.com/2012/03/09/editiorial-the-guardian-doesnt-give-a-damn-about-accurate-reporting-nor-its-own-editorial-code/

    christianpost.com/news/guardian-newspaper-apologizes-donates-to-pat-robertsons-operation-blessing-for-inaccurate-report-on-mission-congo-documentary-110715/

    It's said that there's no smoke without fire and (like Lancia cars and their horror rust problem from the 1970s which precludes them from being sold in the UK - although there's a current model the Ypsilon that's just re-badged as a Chrysler) once you get a reputation its difficult to shake it off so people's estimation of the paper for inaccuracy has stuck with it whatever the current position. In reality who's to say whether it's any better or worse than any other papers? But it's still amusing.
  • Between 1946 and 1998 only four McCanns made League appearances in the English Football

    League and they were all born in Scotland. I have been attending Charlton since 1950 and cant

    recall a Sean McCann but it is possible that he played for the colts or was a triallist.
  • it was probably Cheltenham he played for
  • Carshalton Athletic? Sounds like Charlton in an Irish / Belgium accent
  • edited August 11
    Just listened to this podcast.

    https://open.spotify.com/episode/50H2QgxL3pELdNyCqmacj9?si=lCZNXwL_TFa7BBHTZZzydg&t=2215

    He said his dad came to London in 1949 & was an understudy to Sam Bartram, he also said he never played for the first team. His father met his mother ( both Irish) at a dance in Lewisham around this time.
  • The South African Albert Uytenbogaart known as Humphrey was Bartrams understudy from 1948 to 1953.Prior to that I think it was Syd Hobbins. We had a number of keepers then and it is quite possible that McCann may have even been a triallist. Worth remembering that many good players only played for the reserves and didn't get an opportunity in the first team because there were no subs then. We used to travel to away games with only 13 players ie 1 spare keeper and an extra outfield player as we had a number of utility players. 
  • The club also ran an A team , which was a 3rd team. I think they played in the Aetolian league
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  • We were also in the London Midweek League which was sometimes used for triallists. I remember John Sewell playing before we signed him from Bexleyheath & Welling in about 1954.
  • Many years ago I played for a team in the London Spartan League - a half decent standard but nothing exceptional.

    Our manager was great, knew his stuff, set us up well and we were good. It was common knowledge amongst the players that he had been on Charlton's books before Clough took him to Forest.

    The original Valiant 500 was in print by then, and of course there was no mention of him.

    There was no value in saying anything, particularly as I'd never actually heard him claim it, but it was accepted as fact.

    There are plenty who "nearly made it"...(we all played against kids in the park who "had trials for the county").
  • The museum still get these requests and we often have to let people down gently.

    Sometimes we can provide a lot of information which families are grateful for but sometimes we get no response at all.

    I think in some cases stories get re-told down the generations and "had a trial" for Charlton becomes "played for the Charlton first team" after a few decades.

    Still, doing the research and hearing the genuine stories is one of the best bits of running the museum.  I'll see what we have about McCann?
  • My Uncle went for a trial at Charlton, he’d played for Millwall reserves and left after National Service. He turned up with his boots and asked if there were any shinpads he could borrow. Jimmy Trotter (who also was England trainer) told him to stuff newspaper in his socks (!). This was in the days when they used to play in bovver boots, my Uncle told Trotter he was “bleeding mad” and so ended his Charlton career. I didn’t check Colin Camerons book for him……
  • My Uncle went for a trial at Charlton, he’d played for Millwall reserves and left after National Service. He turned up with his boots and asked if there were any shinpads he could borrow. Jimmy Trotter (who also was England trainer) told him to stuff newspaper in his socks (!). This was in the days when they used to play in bovver boots, my Uncle told Trotter he was “bleeding mad” and so ended his Charlton career. I didn’t check Colin Camerons book for him……
    Great story.
  • Ballymena Fc in NI. Must be same fella. 
  • Stole Sam's roll neck.
  • edited August 13


    Jack McCann moved to London permanently with his youngest son Brian in the mid-1940s where he continued to pick up varied work, including as a painter-decorator and security guard. The rest of the family, including Seán, followed him to London in 1946, settling in a flat at Ponsonby Place near Pimlico in Westminster. In London, the teenage Seán McCann pursued his love of soccer, joining Charlton Athletic as a goalkeeper, though he did not play on the first team. He held down various other jobs including as a chef, to try to supplement his meagre income from soccer (two shillings and sixpence per week), before reluctantly joining the Royal Air Force (RAF) as an intelligence officer. Prior to joining the RAF, he met fellow Irish emigrant Sally McGonigle from Garvagh, Co. Derry, at a dance in Lewisham, south London. The couple married on 1 August 1950 in Port Said, Egypt, while McCann was on a brief posting there. On their return to England, McCann secured work as a sports broadcaster covering local soccer matches for BBC radio, and writing gigs with publications including the Angling Times and various newspapers of the Messenger Group. (He had long been writing short stories and non-fiction pieces – his mother’s former boss Maurice Walsh was an early supportive reader – and McCann had his work published in Ireland’s Own and elsewhere.)





  • initial searches show no records of a Sean McCann playing for the reserves in the 40s or 50s.

    Are those the correct dates and is that the correct spelling?

    We'll try the A and youth teams but those records are not complete.
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