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Player Loyalty

A lot has been talked recently about the loyalty of our players, be it the departure of Poyet or the arrival of non UK nationals.

What do we mean by loyalty and why should non UK nationals not have it, assuming that UK nationals do have it?

The OCD defines loyal as " true, faithful to duty, love, or obligation"

Now why should a footballer , or any other employee, show loyalty to their employer, surely what a good employee should do is perform their work to the best of their ability and give a performance that the employer expects for that job and in a way we are loyal in that we are true to our work and faithful to our duty at work, but if we are offered a better job elsewhere it is likely that we will leave the job and so not be loyal but still be loyal to our family by taking the better job.

So how does this equate to a fan's view of the footballers at their club, does kissing the badge when they score a goal show loyalty, if that is the case then goalkeepers are very disloyal. Does leaving a club for another show disloyalty?

I really believe that the only people at a football club who are loyal to the club are the supporters and a few long serving employees, be that behind the scenes or on the field. The rest, no matter what their nationality, are in the most part, loyal to themselves and their family by playing as well as they can, giving 100% to the team but if they are offered better elsewhere they will go, as would most of us.

The new players and the youngsters coming through have mostly been signed up with long contracts, this shows good management as if a player excels and is offered better elsewhere both the player and the club benefit, loyalty doesn't come into it.

Comments

  • To add something to the discussion, we as fans demand loyalty from players to us and the club. But once a player loses his prime, his mojo or a new shiny better version of him is signed ... lots of fans tend to say that its time to move on, player x his time has come, he is not at our level anymore ...

  • To add something to the discussion, we as fans demand loyalty from players to us and the club. But once a player loses his prime, his mojo or a new shiny better version of him is signed ... lots of fans tend to say that its time to move on, player x his time has come, he is not at our level anymore ...

    Exactly what I was saying when Poyet left, everyone was saying he was not loyal,
    weeks after we had released a number of players and showed them no loyalty
  • I'd say in the case of Poyet it was more a case of repaying a debt to the club that gave him a start. More honour than loyalty. So, you've got youth products, who I personally feel should exhibit some honour and recognise a debt to the club. Then you have seasoned professionals, bought in to do a job. I don't expect them to be loyal or see that they have any debt to the club. I do expect them to give their all whenever they pull the shirt on though, for as long as they are with us.

    What hacks me off is when you see a premiership player kissing the badge of Man United one season, then Man City the next, when you know all he really cares about is his huge pay packet.
  • Exactly mate at the end of the day money talks, would you rather a skoda in the garage or a Porsche GT?

    I wouldn't be loyal to any club if another one offered me more money, I would rather be filthy rich... Think of the fast cars and women?

  • MSE7 said:

    Exactly mate at the end of the day money talks, would you rather a skoda in the garage or a Porsche GT?

    I wouldn't be loyal to any club if another one offered me more money, I would rather be filthy rich... Think of the fast cars and women?

    Skoda's are reportedly more reliable than Porsches these days.
  • edited August 2014
    Loyalty in any employer/employee relationship is transient. Fidelity is an implied term of every employment contract but is only expected whilst the contract exists, or in some cases elements of fidelity may survive the ending of a contract (confidentiality, non-compete/non-solicitation clauses as examples).

    In some instances fidelity can be broken during the existence of a contract and the consequences of this breach could be dismissal or resignation based on a repudiatory breach. Parker downing tools after Chelski came knocking was a repudiatory breach of contract - breach of mutual trust, confidence and fidelity - i.e. he was acting against the interests of his employer. Clearly he had value so the repudiatory breach was not accepted by the club and rather than ending the contact we sold him.

    Footballers are a commodity to be traded - and Belgian-Spur's comments highlight that actions can be instigated by both parties.
  • You cannot compare professional sportsmen to us ordinary plebs. It's a totally different world.
  • Yeah I no what u mean
  • Why are we constantly surprised that players go to the club where they perceive their best interests to be? Weird.
  • edited August 2014

    Why are we constantly surprised that players go to the club where they perceive their best interests to be? Weird.

    Like players who claim they are going to Liverpool to "win things"? Or going to Chelsea as a midfielder when there are clearly eight others ahead of you in the pecking order?

    Some players do exactly what you say of course, but it's the bullshitters that get me.
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  • You cannot compare professional sportsmen to us ordinary plebs. It's a totally different world.

    Different world in the sense of the £££'s involved - but no different contractually.

    My earlier post was about faithfulness, not loyalty. Slavery was abolished in 1833.
  • Great example of loyalty here. The Brian Kinsey story - the article speaks for itself.
    http://www.wharf.co.uk/2008/03/charlton-legend-brian-kinsey-h.html
  • bobmunro said:

    You cannot compare professional sportsmen to us ordinary plebs. It's a totally different world.

    Different world in the sense of the £££'s involved - but no different contractually.

    My earlier post was about faithfulness, not loyalty. Slavery was abolished in 1833.
    My wife used to work for HSBC, before she left, and even more so with former colleagues since, they continually move the goalposts in their favour, demanding more and giving less, the contracts signed only work one way. If they don't like it, there's the door, another mug will be along in a minute to take up the reins. There's only one Wayne Rooney, and he calls the tune. Along with transfer fees, that's the difference I am getting at Bob.

  • bobmunro said:

    You cannot compare professional sportsmen to us ordinary plebs. It's a totally different world.

    Different world in the sense of the £££'s involved - but no different contractually.

    My earlier post was about faithfulness, not loyalty. Slavery was abolished in 1833.
    My wife used to work for HSBC, before she left, and even more so with former colleagues since, they continually move the goalposts in their favour, demanding more and giving less, the contracts signed only work one way. If they don't like it, there's the door, another mug will be along in a minute to take up the reins. There's only one Wayne Rooney, and he calls the tune. Along with transfer fees, that's the difference I am getting at Bob.

    Agreed - the footballer has most of the power, although Employment Law is still a minefield for employers.
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  • bobmunro said:

    You cannot compare professional sportsmen to us ordinary plebs. It's a totally different world.

    Different world in the sense of the £££'s involved - but no different contractually.

    My earlier post was about faithfulness, not loyalty. Slavery was abolished in 1833.
    My wife used to work for HSBC, before she left, and even more so with former colleagues since, they continually move the goalposts in their favour, demanding more and giving less, the contracts signed only work one way. If they don't like it, there's the door, another mug will be along in a minute to take up the reins. There's only one Wayne Rooney, and he calls the tune. Along with transfer fees, that's the difference I am getting at Bob.

    but that's the case every time someone has a unique talent or skill that the employer has to pay for. If you have a unique skill and are amongst the best around, you'll be the one calling the shots

    But unfortunately only very few people can actually get to that stage.
  • In the old days, footballers earned a lot less, and the differentials between clubs weren't so great, so there was less incentive to move. If Trevor Brooking had been offered 5 times his salary to move to Man U, would he stayed with West Ham, even when they got relegated to the 2nd division?
  • Fans are idiots. They expect a degree of loyalty from players that they'd not show themselves. Sure, we'll never support a different club, but would never imagine that they're doing anything wrong looking for an employer that remunerates them better. You only have to look at some of the unsentimental comments on here about Fortune: a club stalwart who suffered an horrific injury while in his second spell. A number of times I saw things like, "get rid", "he's done"! Well, in that environment why should a player who has only been given a short contract be expected to devote his life to us when he gets better offers?

    This in a nutshell
  • If you are good and play for Charlton you should stay, no matter what the wages. If you are good and don't play for Charlton you should do everything you can to join, no matter what the wages.

    If you are rubbish and play for Charlton you can leave, and if you are rubbish and don't play for us we don't want you.

    It's very simple and all I ask personally. Anything more would be unrealistic.
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  • bobmunro said:

    You cannot compare professional sportsmen to us ordinary plebs. It's a totally different world.

    Different world in the sense of the £££'s involved - but no different contractually.

    My earlier post was about faithfulness, not loyalty. Slavery was abolished in 1833.
    My wife used to work for HSBC, before she left, and even more so with former colleagues since, they continually move the goalposts in their favour, demanding more and giving less, the contracts signed only work one way. If they don't like it, there's the door, another mug will be along in a minute to take up the reins. There's only one Wayne Rooney, and he calls the tune. Along with transfer fees, that's the difference I am getting at Bob.

    but that's the case every time someone has a unique talent or skill that the employer has to pay for. If you have a unique skill and are amongst the best around, you'll be the one calling the shots

    But unfortunately only very few people can actually get to that stage.
    That's why my first comment on the subject mentioned "us ordinary plebs" - do keep up... ;-)
  • As Lennie Lawrence said many years ago (reflecting the views expressed by Lancashire Lad), the only really true loyalty in football comes from the supporters. There are some exceptions, to a very limited extent, amongst players but it is a two-way street as between them and their clubs and those bonds are becoming more and more tenuous as the average length of period which players spend with clubs seems to get shorter and shorter.

    Sadly, the examples of the one club man like Brian Kinsey are few and far between these days. I think that, at five years, Chris Solly is our current longest serving player, which reflects the modern trend.
  • It's all about the scale of the money involved. Let's say you are an undertaker and you can earn 10% more by working for Stiffs R Us down the road, you might stick with your current employer. However, football is not like that. If Stiffs R Us offer you 3 times or 10 times your current salary, you might join them however much you liked your current employer/was wary of your new employer.

    Footballers are like most others. I think most give their employer their best but if a better offer comes along, it all changes due to the magnitude of the change.
  • Loyalty is a myth in football. A majority will move clubs if the offer is right and the move feels right. Those what stay, normally do so because they're happy where they are, family settled in the area, the offer of a move offers the same level of football and the pay is either the same, or if slightly higher, not enough to take the risk in upsetting any of the above.

    Of course there is the very rare player who does stick around out of loyalty, but you could probably count them all on one hand.............
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