Paul was also one of the 60 Valley party candidates in the 1990 local elections. If I remember rightly his ward was the first result announced on the night of the count.
Paul was also one of the 60 Valley party candidates in the 1990 local elections. If I remember rightly his ward was the first result announced on the night of the count.
Not quite, but he did get an unexpectedly high 576 votes in Middle Park - partly due to the fact that Tories didn't field any candidates and there was only one Liberal.
Paul was also one of the 60 Valley party candidates in the 1990 local elections. If I remember rightly his ward was the first result announced on the night of the count.
Not quite, but he did get an unexpectedly high 576 votes in Middle Park - partly due to the fact that Tories didn't field any candidates and there was only one Liberal.
First you publically announce his redundancy before it actually happens, without even speaking to him (still want to know your source) then you try and belittle his achievement in the valley party? What is wrong with you? Paul hasn't wronged you in any way he hasn't got a bad bone in his body. So why so bitter toward him?
I think you might be best to take it private, but i certainly don't think it was Airman's intention to belittle his achievements or come across bitter. Publicly announcing people's redundencies when that's not the case though is a different matter.
I think you might be best to take it private, but i certainly don't think it was Airman's intention to belittle his achievements or come across bitter. Publicly announcing people's redundencies when that's not the case though is a different matter.
Agree with this . I think Airman was only trying to correct a factual error that another poster had written and then explained what Paul's role actually was . He wasn't trying to belittle Paul's election result in my view , just trying to give it some context and historical accuracy .
In terms of his job I also agree . Paul is someone who has done nothing but good for many of us other the years and I would not want to speculate about his position if he is at risk of redundancy and in his 30 day consultation period. Good luck Paul.
Let's now follow the normal Charlton Life advice and wait until it is announced on the OS.
I think you might be best to take it private, but i certainly don't think it was Airman's intention to belittle his achievements or come across bitter. Publicly announcing people's redundencies when that's not the case though is a different matter.
Ok fair enough maybe he wasn't belittling him but it sounded like it. I still want to know his source though (correction Paul wants to know).
I think you might be best to take it private, but i certainly don't think it was Airman's intention to belittle his achievements or come across bitter. Publicly announcing people's redundencies when that's not the case though is a different matter.
Ok fair enough maybe he wasn't belittling him but it sounded like it. I still want to know his source though (correction Paul wants to know).
In fact the disclosure of such personal information held by the club is illegal, which would be a matter for the club's own internal procedures in the first instance.
I think you might be best to take it private, but i certainly don't think it was Airman's intention to belittle his achievements or come across bitter. Publicly announcing people's redundencies when that's not the case though is a different matter.
Agree with this . I think Airman was only trying to correct a factual error that another poster had written and then explained what Paul's role actually was . He wasn't trying to belittle Paul's election result in my view , just trying to give it some context and historical accuracy .
In terms of his job I also agree . Paul is someone who has done nothing but good for many of us other the years and I would not want to speculate about his position if he is at risk of redundancy and in his 30 day consultation period. Good luck Paul.
Let's now follow the normal Charlton Life advice and wait until it is announced on the OS.
I agree but he could have just said
"Not quite"
He cold have even added
"but he did get an unexpectedly high 576 votes in Middle Park"
But adding
" - partly due to the fact that Tories didn't field any candidates and there was only one Liberal."
does disparage Pauls achievement and for that matter the Valley parties achievement , for no good reason.
I am sure Airman did not mean it and that he has also spoken to Sadie in private regarding his source, although i would understand if he were not revealing it.
Airman is a proven journalist with VoV, he was also a senior exec so I think if he says it he means it. On many subjects his input is helpful and insiteful but on this occasion he would have been better served to keep his fingers off his keyboard, SadieJane and Paul deserve a reply be it private or public.
Airman Brown has become spiteful since his own dismissal from the club, his bitterness is there for all to see, now he is stating that disclosure of such information is illegal , if so why publicise it except for your own point scoring.
I don't think the comment about the Valley Party was intended to be spiteful and we shouldn't be looking at it in that way. I think it was, as has been said a case of giving the achievement some context. Agree though that it wasn't helpful to have the news broadcast on here until it was checked whether it would upset or embaress Paul Ellis first. Although, it is an expose on what is going on with our club and would have been reasonable to mention if that condition was satisfied.
Frankly the idea I would be spiteful towards Paul is beyond silly and not worth a response. I've been working on my book chapter about the Valley Party so the detail was fresh in my mind.
I've got all the redundancy information at the club, as have the local press, but kept it off here out of respect for those involved - except regarding Bradshaw, who doesn't deserve any respect. There are others going.
Yesterday I was led to believe that Paul's situation had been finalised. Evidently I jumped the gun, so apologies to him for that, but really it was only posted because I thought people would want to know and there seemed little chance of the club understanding or reflecting that.
You have still not revealed your source, Paul is far from happy at this being in the public domain and he has the right to know who divulged it.
And obviously I'm not going to, but as I say I have all the information and so do lots of other people inside and outside the club. It's a bit unrealistic to imagine that when people are put at risk - including senior managers - and there is a consultation process the details won't spread far and wide.
You are even lower in my estimations now, you talk of it would be silly to think you would be spiteful towards Paul but wish to respect the source of your information and at the same time saying others are involved and not giving their names. Seems like double standards to me!
Frankly the idea I would be spiteful towards Paul is beyond silly and not worth a response. I've been working on my book chapter about the Valley Party so the detail was fresh in my mind.
I've got all the redundancy information at the club, as have the local press, but kept it off here out of respect for those involved - except regarding Bradshaw, who doesn't deserve any respect. There are others going.
Yesterday I was led to believe that Paul's situation had been finalised. Evidently I jumped the gun, so apologies to him for that, but really it was only posted because I thought people would want to know and there seemed little chance of the club understanding or reflecting that.
Firstly, it was not in the public domain or divulged to or by anyone in the media, it was you that leaked information that wasn't even completely accurate. Secondly you say that you kept quiet out of respect except for Bradshaw, but you mentioned the redundancy of Paul and Bradshaw in the same post. Thirdly you know better than anyone the consequences of posting private club business on here so why even mention about Paul whilst he was/is still at the club, knowing it could potentially make things worse for him? Finally if you were in doubt or concerned at all about Paul or even wanting to know the real facts then why not call him and ask him, when you have his number? Or at least ask if he minds being mentioned? Your comment regarding the valley party was saying that Paul wouldn't have got as many votes if the other parties had a better showing so you was belittling his performance intentionally or not it wasn't really necessary.
Oh and just to add you must have a source at the valley telling you these things and if you can't tell me who it is at least call Paul and tell him.
It might be best to close this thread now. If the individual is upset with Airman, then it is probably right he seeks a converstaion with him and that we don't compound any embaressment by publicising what should be a private conversation.
It might be best to close this thread now. If the individual is upset with Airman, then it is probably right he seeks a converstaion with him and that we don't compound any embaressment by publicising what should be a private conversation.
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Agree with this . I think Airman was only trying to correct a factual error that another poster had written and then explained what Paul's role actually was . He wasn't trying to belittle Paul's election result in my view , just trying to give it some context and historical accuracy .
In terms of his job I also agree . Paul is someone who has done nothing but good for many of us other the years and I would not want to speculate about his position if he is at risk of redundancy and in his 30 day consultation period. Good luck Paul.
Let's now follow the normal Charlton Life advice and wait until it is announced on the OS.
"Not quite"
He cold have even added
"but he did get an unexpectedly high 576 votes in Middle Park"
But adding
" - partly due to the fact that Tories didn't field any candidates and there was only one Liberal."
does disparage Pauls achievement and for that matter the Valley parties achievement , for no good reason.
I am sure Airman did not mean it and that he has also spoken to Sadie in private regarding his source, although i would understand if he were not revealing it.
I've got all the redundancy information at the club, as have the local press, but kept it off here out of respect for those involved - except regarding Bradshaw, who doesn't deserve any respect. There are others going.
Yesterday I was led to believe that Paul's situation had been finalised. Evidently I jumped the gun, so apologies to him for that, but really it was only posted because I thought people would want to know and there seemed little chance of the club understanding or reflecting that.
Seems like double standards to me!
Oh and just to add you must have a source at the valley telling you these things and if you can't tell me who it is at least call Paul and tell him.
And apologies again to Paul.