Good to have any insights, even though I am confused about whom your source is.
However the feedback we've received from Belgium up to now has been that RD did sack Riga from Standard. Actually last night I had beers with a work connected Belgian friend who, I only recently discovered, is both a footie fan, and a native of Sint-Truiden. He knows a lot about RD and by no means all of what he said was negative, but he was insistent that Riga was sacked. I won't go into it what else he said, until we have double checked some things with other sources, but Im personally going to be cautious about believing what you were told about Riga and Standard, for now at least.
He did say Peeters is indeed considered a bright young managerial talent in Belgium, that much seems to be pretty much agreed by all.
He left himself after the season was ended because he was offered a job a tha Aspire academy in Qatar, who just won the world cup bid for 2022. if some sheikh over there wants you, you can probably make that much money that you are financially safe for the rest of your life. can't blame anyone for doing so.
But claiming RD sacked riga at SL is not true, that never happened.
With respect to your respective "sources" why is Riga specifically on record saying he had altered his planned commitments to arrange to come to Charlton on a short term contract because he felt he owed Duchatelet who had allowed him to breach his Liege contract to take up the Aspire opportunity in the middle east because the financial benefits were too good to turn down.
I am all for people accessing and quoting their sources but you can hardly get a better source than the man himself.
Is Riga just making it up? Why would he? I could probably make up 3 different reasons, from enjoying a new football environment, establishing new market opportunities for the new coaching methodologies from the Aspire program, a long standing admiration of English football etc., etc.,
I do not challenge that your sources came up with their understanding of the position but it begs the question why you would place greater credibility on their version of events than that quoted by the man himself.
With respect to your respective "sources" why is Riga specifically on record saying he had altered his planned commitments to arrange to come to Charlton on a short term contract because he felt he owed Duchatelet who had allowed him to breach his Liege contract to take up the Aspire opportunity in the middle east because the financial benefits were too good to turn down.
I am all for people accessing and quoting their sources but you can hardly get a better source than the man himself.
Is Riga just making it up? Why would he? I could probably make up 3 different reasons, from enjoying a new football environment, establishing new market opportunities for the new coaching methodologies from the Aspire program, a long standing admiration of English football etc., etc.,
I do not challenge that your sources came up with their understanding of the position but it begs the question why you would place greater credibility on their version of events than that quoted by the man himself.
That is bizarre.
Because it gives Prague another reason to stir and show RD in a bad light
With respect to your respective "sources" why is Riga specifically on record saying he had altered his planned commitments to arrange to come to Charlton on a short term contract because he felt he owed Duchatelet who had allowed him to breach his Liege contract to take up the Aspire opportunity in the middle east because the financial benefits were too good to turn down.
I am all for people accessing and quoting their sources but you can hardly get a better source than the man himself.
Is Riga just making it up? Why would he? I could probably make up 3 different reasons, from enjoying a new football environment, establishing new market opportunities for the new coaching methodologies from the Aspire program, a long standing admiration of English football etc., etc.,
I do not challenge that your sources came up with their understanding of the position but it begs the question why you would place greater credibility on their version of events than that quoted by the man himself.
That is bizarre.
Because it gives Prague another reason to stir and show RD in a bad light
This is not a helpful comment. Posters on here, should desist from digging out other posters just because they don't quite see eye to eye. It is very tiresome and doesn't help anything.
Good to have any insights, even though I am confused about whom your source is.
However the feedback we've received from Belgium up to now has been that RD did sack Riga from Standard. Actually last night I had beers with a work connected Belgian friend who, I only recently discovered, is both a footie fan, and a native of Sint-Truiden. He knows a lot about RD and by no means all of what he said was negative, but he was insistent that Riga was sacked. I won't go into it what else he said, until we have double checked some things with other sources, but Im personally going to be cautious about believing what you were told about Riga and Standard, for now at least.
He did say Peeters is indeed considered a bright young managerial talent in Belgium, that much seems to be pretty much agreed by all.
I'd treble check whatever he tells you Prague - just in case :-)
With respect to your respective "sources" why is Riga specifically on record saying he had altered his planned commitments to arrange to come to Charlton on a short term contract because he felt he owed Duchatelet who had allowed him to breach his Liege contract to take up the Aspire opportunity in the middle east because the financial benefits were too good to turn down.
I am all for people accessing and quoting their sources but you can hardly get a better source than the man himself.
Is Riga just making it up? Why would he? I could probably make up 3 different reasons, from enjoying a new football environment, establishing new market opportunities for the new coaching methodologies from the Aspire program, a long standing admiration of English football etc., etc.,
I do not challenge that your sources came up with their understanding of the position but it begs the question why you would place greater credibility on their version of events than that quoted by the man himself.
That is bizarre.
Because it gives Prague another reason to stir and show RD in a bad light
This is not a helpful comment. Posters on here, should desist from digging out other posters just because they don't quite see eye to eye. It is very tiresome and doesn't help anything.
So is the constant conspiracy theories from other posters.
With respect to your respective "sources" why is Riga specifically on record saying he had altered his planned commitments to arrange to come to Charlton on a short term contract because he felt he owed Duchatelet who had allowed him to breach his Liege contract to take up the Aspire opportunity in the middle east because the financial benefits were too good to turn down.
I am all for people accessing and quoting their sources but you can hardly get a better source than the man himself.
Is Riga just making it up? Why would he? I could probably make up 3 different reasons, from enjoying a new football environment, establishing new market opportunities for the new coaching methodologies from the Aspire program, a long standing admiration of English football etc., etc.,
I do not challenge that your sources came up with their understanding of the position but it begs the question why you would place greater credibility on their version of events than that quoted by the man himself.
That is bizarre.
Because it gives Prague another reason to stir and show RD in a bad light
This is not a helpful comment. Posters on here, should desist from digging out other posters just because they don't quite see eye to eye. It is very tiresome and doesn't help anything.
With respect to your respective "sources" why is Riga specifically on record saying he had altered his planned commitments to arrange to come to Charlton on a short term contract because he felt he owed Duchatelet who had allowed him to breach his Liege contract to take up the Aspire opportunity in the middle east because the financial benefits were too good to turn down.
I am all for people accessing and quoting their sources but you can hardly get a better source than the man himself.
Is Riga just making it up? Why would he? I could probably make up 3 different reasons, from enjoying a new football environment, establishing new market opportunities for the new coaching methodologies from the Aspire program, a long standing admiration of English football etc., etc.,
I do not challenge that your sources came up with their understanding of the position but it begs the question why you would place greater credibility on their version of events than that quoted by the man himself.
That is bizarre.
Because it gives Prague another reason to stir and show RD in a bad light
And your remark is why I didn't bother here with all the rest of what my buddy had to say last night. It simply isn't worth the hassle. I will say again: he has no axe to grind against RD. He is fascinated, rather than appalled by the way RD has done things up to now, and by no means all of what he said was negative.
I do not discount that he, and many Belgian journalists turn out to be wrong about The circumstances of his departure from Standard. However as Chicago Addick says, he's not the only Belgian to believe it. I will put Riga' s quote to him, if somebody would be kind enough to post a link to it.
Finally @greenie I am not and never have been anti RD. There is nothing I can do to stop you from writing gratuitous crap. But it is untrue gratuitous crap. If you wish to pick fights with people you've never met, rather than join a discussion that seeks to puzzle out what RD thinks, plans aims for, that's up to you. Just don't drag me into it.
But Prague, a lot of your posts recently seem to be anti RD. So surely you can see why I'd have that sort of perception.
I wouldn't say I'm picking fights. But whenever I see yourself or Airman Brown post I can nye on guarentee it's going to contain something negative towards the ownership or something to stir things up and get people's backs up.
Obviously if you've received information and feel to share it fair enough, but on you sharing your information, I got the impression you were trying to rubbish CBB's relatively positive information with relatively negative information.
The amount of negativity and 'scaremongering' going around at the moment is getting tedious but it's not just you and I apologise for singling you out
For me the most intersting part of this is that BP likes to play with wingers and have a target man. A proper 4-4-2 (either a flat 4 or a diamond 4) is proper exciting. Think of Stanley Matthew! I remember Holland over the years and even the old Denmark teams with Laudrup and Rommedahl tearing up the wings. It's so exciting to see.
Pair that with a little and large combo up front
Welcome Bob. If it doesn't work out with O'Grady then maybe you could dust off those boots :-)
Said it before and I'll say it again - I am excited at this new direction
4-3-3 / 4-5-1 maybe?
It worked with Darren Bent and Iwelumo.
Has to be a 4-2-3-1 for me! Most fluid and flexible formation.. can switch to 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 on the ball and solid in defence with the old two banks of four! Would also allow cousins and Poyet to play together in the middle! I know that's not gonna happen but it's what I'd do!
But Prague, a lot of your posts recently seem to be anti RD. So surely you can see why I'd have that sort of perception.
I wouldn't say I'm picking fights. But whenever I see yourself or Airman Brown post I can nye on guarentee it's going to contain something negative towards the ownership or something to stir things up and get people's backs up.
Obviously if you've received information and feel to share it fair enough, but on you sharing your information, I got the impression you were trying to rubbish CBB's relatively positive information with relatively negative information.
The amount of negativity and 'scaremongering' going around at the moment is getting tedious but it's not just you and I apologise for singling you out
I don't think Prague has been anti-RD. His network thread alone has made a real effort to understand the man and the way he operates. It's called objectivity. Just because it's not blind optimism, doesn't mean it's 'anti-RD.'
But Prague, a lot of your posts recently seem to be anti RD. So surely you can see why I'd have that sort of perception.
I wouldn't say I'm picking fights. But whenever I see yourself or Airman Brown post I can nye on guarentee it's going to contain something negative towards the ownership or something to stir things up and get people's backs up.
Obviously if you've received information and feel to share it fair enough, but on you sharing your information, I got the impression you were trying to rubbish CBB's relatively positive information with relatively negative information.
The amount of negativity and 'scaremongering' going around at the moment is getting tedious but it's not just you and I apologise for singling you out
I don't think Prague has been anti-RD. His network thread alone has made a real effort to understand the man and the way he operates. It's called objectivity. Just because it's not blind optimism, doesn't mean it's 'anti-RD.'
I'm aware of that. But like I said I associate his and airmans posts, especially recently with negativity and scare mongering, IMO they use their status as 'recognised' fans to stir things.
I'm far from being blindly optimistic. But I'm also not consistently negative like yourself and a few others
But Prague, a lot of your posts recently seem to be anti RD. So surely you can see why I'd have that sort of perception.
I wouldn't say I'm picking fights. But whenever I see yourself or Airman Brown post I can nye on guarentee it's going to contain something negative towards the ownership or something to stir things up and get people's backs up.
Obviously if you've received information and feel to share it fair enough, but on you sharing your information, I got the impression you were trying to rubbish CBB's relatively positive information with relatively negative information.
The amount of negativity and 'scaremongering' going around at the moment is getting tedious but it's not just you and I apologise for singling you out
I don't think Prague has been anti-RD. His network thread alone has made a real effort to understand the man and the way he operates. It's called objectivity. Just because it's not blind optimism, doesn't mean it's 'anti-RD.'
I'm aware of that. But like I said I associate his and airmans posts, especially recently with negativity and scare mongering, IMO they use their status as 'recognised' fans to stir things.
I'm far from being blindly optimistic. But I'm also not consistently negative like yourself and a few others
Again, I'm not negative. I'm objective. When I see positive actions on the field by RD I'll be positive.
Best bit of insider knowledge for ages well done for sharing
Not necessarily disagreeing, it is in terms of being the most pleasing bit of of info we've got, but what makes this any more legitimate than anything else we've heard from inside the club?
But Prague, a lot of your posts recently seem to be anti RD. So surely you can see why I'd have that sort of perception.
I wouldn't say I'm picking fights. But whenever I see yourself or Airman Brown post I can nye on guarentee it's going to contain something negative towards the ownership or something to stir things up and get people's backs up.
Obviously if you've received information and feel to share it fair enough, but on you sharing your information, I got the impression you were trying to rubbish CBB's relatively positive information with relatively negative information.
The amount of negativity and 'scaremongering' going around at the moment is getting tedious but it's not just you and I apologise for singling you out
I don't think Prague has been anti-RD. His network thread alone has made a real effort to understand the man and the way he operates. It's called objectivity. Just because it's not blind optimism, doesn't mean it's 'anti-RD.'
I'm aware of that. But like I said I associate his and airmans posts, especially recently with negativity and scare mongering, IMO they use their status as 'recognised' fans to stir things.
I'm far from being blindly optimistic. But I'm also not consistently negative like yourself and a few others
Again, I'm not negative. I'm objective. When I see positive actions on the field by RD I'll be positive.
There's being objective then there's being plain negative. Fair enough though, I do understand your point
Whether its true or not ,it all makes perfect sense to me and actually I think it is true and thanks for that. The follow on from that paints a pretty astute picture of Duchatelet and I am happy with that. As an employer myself I want people who are going to stay and if there was a suggestion of otherwise in Riga then he is going to look at other people.
But Prague, a lot of your posts recently seem to be anti RD. So surely you can see why I'd have that sort of perception.
I wouldn't say I'm picking fights. But whenever I see yourself or Airman Brown post I can nye on guarentee it's going to contain something negative towards the ownership or something to stir things up and get people's backs up.
Obviously if you've received information and feel to share it fair enough, but on you sharing your information, I got the impression you were trying to rubbish CBB's relatively positive information with relatively negative information.
The amount of negativity and 'scaremongering' going around at the moment is getting tedious but it's not just you and I apologise for singling you out
Accepted and appreciated, and I am sorry you have that impression. I'll try to bear that in mind when commenting. In that spirit, here's one positive story I heard last night which shows that RD is a bloody smart guy.
I thought of that when my buddy told me that one stand of the new Sint-Truiden stadium has a hotel built into the back of it. And some of the hotel rooms look out onto the pitch! Apparently some Real Madrid business bigwigs came over to inspect it and went away well impressed. So if for a future big birthday your better half treats you to a night's stay in the new Bernabau hotel, watching the local derby with new upstarts Alcorcon, you've got RD's genius to thank for that :-)
With respect to your respective "sources" why is Riga specifically on record saying he had altered his planned commitments to arrange to come to Charlton on a short term contract because he felt he owed Duchatelet who had allowed him to breach his Liege contract to take up the Aspire opportunity in the middle east because the financial benefits were too good to turn down.
I am all for people accessing and quoting their sources but you can hardly get a better source than the man himself.
Is Riga just making it up? Why would he? I could probably make up 3 different reasons, from enjoying a new football environment, establishing new market opportunities for the new coaching methodologies from the Aspire program, a long standing admiration of English football etc., etc.,
I do not challenge that your sources came up with their understanding of the position but it begs the question why you would place greater credibility on their version of events than that quoted by the man himself.
I will try to explain why part of me can believe that Riga was spinning it. Please note; I am not sure he was spinning it. I'm just going to explain why my previous experience makes it less bizarre than it appears (and I accept that it might seem irrational).
In the last two years seven of the top 20 ad agencies in my market (a CL'er in China is now choking with rage) have parted with their CEO's. In one case the person resigned for a better job. The other six were fired. However in the specialist press, all six cases were carefully presented by both parties as a parting of the ways with the person moving on to new opportunities. Of course I was in a position to know it was bollocks because these people were in the background calling me to ask if I had any such "new opportunities". And in one case it was known that the person had been found to have been up to no good. But in public they went to bizarre efforts to keep up the facade.
Why? because its a business full of big egos. The person will go to any effort to avoid being tarnished with failure, and so will the company, because to fire your CEO is to admit your company isn't doing well.
Right now I'm working on a case exactly like this. It is part of the settlement with the employee that he is publicly presented as moving onwards and upwards.
Football is equally a business full of massive egos. That's why - while I don't necessarily believe that Riga is spinning it, as part of the settlement - my own experience suggests it is far from impossible, and therefore it's not bizarre to at least consider the possibility.
But Prague, a lot of your posts recently seem to be anti RD. So surely you can see why I'd have that sort of perception.
I wouldn't say I'm picking fights. But whenever I see yourself or Airman Brown post I can nye on guarentee it's going to contain something negative towards the ownership or something to stir things up and get people's backs up.
Obviously if you've received information and feel to share it fair enough, but on you sharing your information, I got the impression you were trying to rubbish CBB's relatively positive information with relatively negative information.
The amount of negativity and 'scaremongering' going around at the moment is getting tedious but it's not just you and I apologise for singling you out
I don't think Prague has been anti-RD. His network thread alone has made a real effort to understand the man and the way he operates. It's called objectivity. Just because it's not blind optimism, doesn't mean it's 'anti-RD.'
I'm far from being blindly optimistic. But I'm also not consistently negative like yourself and a few others
You should be grateful for the 'negativity' of posters like Red Robin, Prague and Largo. They give some balance and objectivity to what is happening at our beloved Club - even OBH's rants about the ownership prove one thing - they care about the Club just like you GJ.
None of us are sure about what the future holds, and I'm glad you post you positive 'spin' on how you see things panning out - not least because I don't feel alone with my glass half full outlook.
Lets just hope we all get to start posting about how great things work out to be. Never forget where we've come from.
He left himself after the season was ended because he was offered a job a tha Aspire academy in Qatar, who just won the world cup bid for 2022. if some sheikh over there wants you, you can probably make that much money that you are financially safe for the rest of your life. can't blame anyone for doing so.
But claiming RD sacked riga at SL is not true, that never happened.
I work at the Aspire Academy in Qatar also, and while the money is decent, I know I can't retire just yet. Pretty sure Riga did well out of Aspire.....but not that well. ;-)
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However the feedback we've received from Belgium up to now has been that RD did sack Riga from Standard. Actually last night I had beers with a work connected Belgian friend who, I only recently discovered, is both a footie fan, and a native of Sint-Truiden. He knows a lot about RD and by no means all of what he said was negative, but he was insistent that Riga was sacked. I won't go into it what else he said, until we have double checked some things with other sources, but Im personally going to be cautious about believing what you were told about Riga and Standard, for now at least.
He did say Peeters is indeed considered a bright young managerial talent in Belgium, that much seems to be pretty much agreed by all.
He left himself after the season was ended because he was offered a job a tha Aspire academy in Qatar, who just won the world cup bid for 2022.
if some sheikh over there wants you, you can probably make that much money that you are financially safe for the rest of your life. can't blame anyone for doing so.
But claiming RD sacked riga at SL is not true, that never happened.
I am all for people accessing and quoting their sources but you can hardly get a better source than the man himself.
Is Riga just making it up? Why would he? I could probably make up 3 different reasons, from enjoying a new football environment, establishing new market opportunities for the new coaching methodologies from the Aspire program, a long standing admiration of English football etc., etc.,
I do not challenge that your sources came up with their understanding of the position but it begs the question why you would place greater credibility on their version of events than that quoted by the man himself.
That is bizarre.
I do not discount that he, and many Belgian journalists turn out to be wrong about The circumstances of his departure from Standard. However as Chicago Addick says, he's not the only Belgian to believe it. I will put Riga' s quote to him, if somebody would be kind enough to post a link to it.
Finally @greenie I am not and never have been anti RD. There is nothing I can do to stop you from writing gratuitous crap. But it is untrue gratuitous crap. If you wish to pick fights with people you've never met, rather than join a discussion that seeks to puzzle out what RD thinks, plans aims for, that's up to you. Just don't drag me into it.
I wouldn't say I'm picking fights. But whenever I see yourself or Airman Brown post I can nye on guarentee it's going to contain something negative towards the ownership or something to stir things up and get people's backs up.
Obviously if you've received information and feel to share it fair enough, but on you sharing your information, I got the impression you were trying to rubbish CBB's relatively positive information with relatively negative information.
The amount of negativity and 'scaremongering' going around at the moment is getting tedious but it's not just you and I apologise for singling you out
I'm far from being blindly optimistic. But I'm also not consistently negative like yourself and a few others
First of all, you will probably remember this Carlsberg ad from a few years back..https://youtube.com/watch?v=fDcXj7c55EA
I thought of that when my buddy told me that one stand of the new Sint-Truiden stadium has a hotel built into the back of it. And some of the hotel rooms look out onto the pitch! Apparently some Real Madrid business bigwigs came over to inspect it and went away well impressed. So if for a future big birthday your better half treats you to a night's stay in the new Bernabau hotel, watching the local derby with new upstarts Alcorcon, you've got RD's genius to thank for that :-)
I will try to explain why part of me can believe that Riga was spinning it. Please note; I am not sure he was spinning it. I'm just going to explain why my previous experience makes it less bizarre than it appears (and I accept that it might seem irrational).
In the last two years seven of the top 20 ad agencies in my market (a CL'er in China is now choking with rage) have parted with their CEO's. In one case the person resigned for a better job. The other six were fired. However in the specialist press, all six cases were carefully presented by both parties as a parting of the ways with the person moving on to new opportunities. Of course I was in a position to know it was bollocks because these people were in the background calling me to ask if I had any such "new opportunities". And in one case it was known that the person had been found to have been up to no good. But in public they went to bizarre efforts to keep up the facade.
Why? because its a business full of big egos. The person will go to any effort to avoid being tarnished with failure, and so will the company, because to fire your CEO is to admit your company isn't doing well.
Right now I'm working on a case exactly like this. It is part of the settlement with the employee that he is publicly presented as moving onwards and upwards.
Football is equally a business full of massive egos. That's why - while I don't necessarily believe that Riga is spinning it, as part of the settlement - my own experience suggests it is far from impossible, and therefore it's not bizarre to at least consider the possibility.
None of us are sure about what the future holds, and I'm glad you post you positive 'spin' on how you see things panning out - not least because I don't feel alone with my glass half full outlook.
Lets just hope we all get to start posting about how great things work out to be. Never forget where we've come from.