If we appointed Lee Clark I'd be too confused to express happiness or misery. Just a guess, but did you pick him for your example because he finished just above the relegation zone, just as Bob Peeters did?
If we appointed Lee Clark I'd be too confused to express happiness or misery. Just a guess, but did you pick him for your example because he finished just above the relegation zone, just as Bob Peeters did?
I picked him because just like when we signed a Nego, Reza etc, people were automatically excited because they knew nothing about them.
Peeters record and experience in management is probably much less than Clark's yet most people would be very disappointed if Clark was announced, but not so with Peeters, I presume mainly because of the foreign thing again.
If we appointed Lee Clark I'd be too confused to express happiness or misery. Just a guess, but did you pick him for your example because he finished just above the relegation zone, just as Bob Peeters did?
I picked him because just like when we signed a Nego, Reza etc, people were automatically excited because they knew nothing about them.
Peeters record and experience in management is probably much less than Clark's yet most people would be very disappointed if Clark was announced, but not so with Peeters, I presume mainly because of the foreign thing again.
Ah, I see where you're coming from. Yeah it's unbelievable that people still fall for that - the amount of laughably inadequate players and managers that have embarrassed themselves in English football, and yet some people still think that they've got the next Arsene Wenger just because the bloke doesn't speak very good English.
Unhappy. I want a foreign coach with ideas how to play football not a dinosaur British manager.
That opinion epitomises everything that's wrong with some football supporters these days. I'll remember that comment, and make a point of reminding you of it after every defeat next season.
If we appointed Lee Clark I'd be too confused to express happiness or misery. Just a guess, but did you pick him for your example because he finished just above the relegation zone, just as Bob Peeters did?
I picked him because just like when we signed a Nego, Reza etc, people were automatically excited because they knew nothing about them.
Peeters record and experience in management is probably much less than Clark's yet most people would be very disappointed if Clark was announced, but not so with Peeters, I presume mainly because of the foreign thing again.
Clark has managed a similar sized club to ours, and failed miserably. I wouldn't even class it as a gamble.
If we appointed Lee Clark I'd be too confused to express happiness or misery. Just a guess, but did you pick him for your example because he finished just above the relegation zone, just as Bob Peeters did?
I picked him because just like when we signed a Nego, Reza etc, people were automatically excited because they knew nothing about them.
Peeters record and experience in management is probably much less than Clark's yet most people would be very disappointed if Clark was announced, but not so with Peeters, I presume mainly because of the foreign thing again.
Clark has managed a similar sized club to ours, and failed miserably. I wouldn't even class it as a gamble.
Did he fail miserably? Against a backdrop of financial ruin, with an imprisoned chairman, I'd say scraping to safety is a reasonably successful season.
If we appointed Lee Clark I'd be too confused to express happiness or misery. Just a guess, but did you pick him for your example because he finished just above the relegation zone, just as Bob Peeters did?
I picked him because just like when we signed a Nego, Reza etc, people were automatically excited because they knew nothing about them.
Peeters record and experience in management is probably much less than Clark's yet most people would be very disappointed if Clark was announced, but not so with Peeters, I presume mainly because of the foreign thing again.
But we all know how useless Clark is so thats why we would rather take the gamble of an unknown then him.
Perhaps some people don't want Clark because they perceive him as playing dull football.
Perhaps some people don't want Clark because they don't like him as a person. Going to support the bitter rivals of the club paying your wage often is not popular. Neither is wearing at shirt saying your own club's fans are sad and of questionable parentage.
Perhaps some people don't want Clark because they don't think he is a successful manager. Failed to get H'field up with what appeared to be plenty of funds. Failed to challenge with B'ham in his first season there despite having what appeared to be plenty of resources. Nearly took B'ham down.
Or maybe your correct and people would prefer Peeters to Clark simply because he is foreign.
To be blunt most people would rather take a chance on the unknown rather than what they believe to be rubbish.
If we appointed Lee Clark I'd be too confused to express happiness or misery. Just a guess, but did you pick him for your example because he finished just above the relegation zone, just as Bob Peeters did?
I picked him because just like when we signed a Nego, Reza etc, people were automatically excited because they knew nothing about them.
Peeters record and experience in management is probably much less than Clark's yet most people would be very disappointed if Clark was announced, but not so with Peeters, I presume mainly because of the foreign thing again.
Clark has managed a similar sized club to ours, and failed miserably. I wouldn't even class it as a gamble.
Did he fail miserably? Against a backdrop of financial ruin, with an imprisoned chairman, I'd say scraping to safety is a reasonably successful season.
I guess with 2 home wins all season, he does fit the Charlton criteria nicely
Strangely when I read the opening post I was dead against Clark. I think he did no better than acceptably with Huddersfield with the money he had to spend and, despite their problems, I think he has underachieved at Birmingham. The biggest worry, however, would be that at the end he looked a broken man with no ideas at all when interviewed.
Then I read what some others had written and thought about the unbeaten run with Huddersfield.
So I would say I'd prefer to have someone else, but if he is appointed then I will look for positives - he has managed in this league, he did mastermind a fantastic unbeaten run and he will have gained experience at the two clubs he's managed and might, just, be able to use that to build a side that can compete in the Championship if the resources are available for him.
Just to be clear, he isn't linked, in the frame etc. being British and with experience of managing in England rules that out ;-)
I was just using him as an example. Peeters in his job before last had a 'Les reed' record, sacked after just three months. In his current role, he took a bottom team one place higher. Feedback. From this club seems encouraging, but he appears to be a level below the guy we just had, is my initial reaction, and absolutely no better than 90% of the managers in this country.
Unhappy. I want a foreign coach with ideas how to play football not a dinosaur British manager.
That opinion epitomises everything that's wrong with some football supporters these days. I'll remember that comment, and make a point of reminding you of it after every defeat next season.
Thanks for the offer of help in reminding me. Actually I think it's you that epitomises everything wrong with British football.
British coaching is in general damned awful. It's why clubs with money don't touch British coaches with a barge pole. I accept that BR at Liverpool as being a current exception.
Our players are again generally technically poor in relation to practically every nation on earth.
I want to see football played on the floor by players comfortable on the ball and not three passes and lump the ball forward.
I have no idea if Peeters will be any good at all but he brings with him better coaching methods than practically every available British coach in our price range.
I'm sure we will lose matches next season but that depends on the team we end up with as much as Peeters.
The first person I thought of when Peeters was mentioned, possibly because they look very similar, was Stale Solbakken. Did well at Copenhagen where there's little competition, did poorly in Germany and then came in to manage a Championship Wolves team that really should have been looking at promotion back to the Prem. The result was an absolute disaster and while he didn't take them down to L1 himself he certainly set the foundations with poor signings who had no experience of the Championship and little fight. That's what makes me nervous; in the end it wasn't the players Roland brought in that kept us up but players like Sordell and Harriott finding some form and the likes of Jackson, Morrison and some outrageously cool-headed kids who did the rescue work. I know nothing about Peeters but we'll have to make very sure we don't set ourselves up for a repeat of Wolves' situation. If Peeters can do his research on the league and get in some experience and fight to go with some class we could do very well.
On the subject of Lee Clark, he's like a man who's won a competition to manage a football club and is miserable about it. The bloke doesn't have a single, solitary clue and he looks like he'd far prefer to be out there on the pitch taking orders than on the sidelines giving them. I think his passion for the game convinces clubs that he'll make a good manager but it doesn't translate into management skills unfortunately for him and them
Unhappy. I want a foreign coach with ideas how to play football not a dinosaur British manager.
That opinion epitomises everything that's wrong with some football supporters these days. I'll remember that comment, and make a point of reminding you of it after every defeat next season.
Thanks for the offer of help in reminding me. Actually I think it's you that epitomises everything wrong with British football.
British coaching is in general damned awful. It's why clubs with money don't touch British coaches with a barge pole. I accept that BR at Liverpool as being a current exception.
Our players are again generally technically poor in relation to practically every nation on earth.
I want to see football played on the floor by players comfortable on the ball and not three passes and lump the ball forward.
I have no idea if Peeters will be any good at all but he brings with him better coaching methods than practically every available British coach in our price range.
I'm sure we will lose matches next season but that depends on the team we end up with as much as Peeters.
I'm sure you will remind me.
And it's this attitude that keeps good British managers from getting the top jobs in the Premier League. Nigel Pearson, Sean Dyche, Eddie Howe all doing great jobs in the Championship (whilst playing good football) but they wouldn't get a sniff of a decent job in the Premier League because most club chairmen share your blinkered attitude and would rather employ rubbish like Pepe Mel and Solskjaer (who, incidentally, both replaced British managers who it turned out were much more capable of delivering results than their successors).
I'm not suggesting that all British managers are great and all foreign managers are rubbish, just that managerial appointments should be based on merit rather than what it says on the applicant's passport.
Unhappy. I want a foreign coach with ideas how to play football not a dinosaur British manager.
That opinion epitomises everything that's wrong with some football supporters these days. I'll remember that comment, and make a point of reminding you of it after every defeat next season.
Thanks for the offer of help in reminding me. Actually I think it's you that epitomises everything wrong with British football.
British coaching is in general damned awful. It's why clubs with money don't touch British coaches with a barge pole. I accept that BR at Liverpool as being a current exception.
Our players are again generally technically poor in relation to practically every nation on earth.
I want to see football played on the floor by players comfortable on the ball and not three passes and lump the ball forward.
I have no idea if Peeters will be any good at all but he brings with him better coaching methods than practically every available British coach in our price range.
I'm sure we will lose matches next season but that depends on the team we end up with as much as Peeters.
I'm sure you will remind me.
And it's this attitude that keeps good British managers from getting the top jobs in the Premier League. Nigel Pearson, Sean Dyche, Eddie Howe all doing great jobs in the Championship (whilst playing good football) but they wouldn't get a sniff of a decent job in the Premier League because most club chairmen share your blinkered attitude and would rather employ rubbish like Pepe Mel and Solskjaer (who, incidentally, both replaced British managers who it turned out were much more capable of delivering results than their successors).
I'm not suggesting that all British managers are great and all foreign managers are rubbish, just that managerial appointments should be based on merit rather than what it says on the applicant's passport.
And just tell me of all the British coaching and footballing talent being snapped up by foreign teams ? Bale............go on. Why because our footballers are in general inferior, cost more and are not wanted by coaches who want technical ability and not just being able to run up and down for 90 minutes. Why are they inferior ? Because of the piss poor coaching that happens in this country and has for decades.
Unhappy. I want a foreign coach with ideas how to play football not a dinosaur British manager.
That opinion epitomises everything that's wrong with some football supporters these days. I'll remember that comment, and make a point of reminding you of it after every defeat next season.
It also epitomises what is wrong with a lot of English managers
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Unhappy.
One plus for Bob is that he is not Lee Clark.
Peeters record and experience in management is probably much less than Clark's yet most people would be very disappointed if Clark was announced, but not so with Peeters, I presume mainly because of the foreign thing again.
Perhaps some people don't want Clark because they perceive him as playing dull football.
Perhaps some people don't want Clark because they don't like him as a person. Going to support the bitter rivals of the club paying your wage often is not popular. Neither is wearing at shirt saying your own club's fans are sad and of questionable parentage.
Perhaps some people don't want Clark because they don't think he is a successful manager. Failed to get H'field up with what appeared to be plenty of funds. Failed to challenge with B'ham in his first season there despite having what appeared to be plenty of resources. Nearly took B'ham down.
Or maybe your correct and people would prefer Peeters to Clark simply because he is foreign.
To be blunt most people would rather take a chance on the unknown rather than what they believe to be rubbish.
Then we'd have peters and lee.
Gah. Just seen nug has beat me to this on another thread.
Then I read what some others had written and thought about the unbeaten run with Huddersfield.
So I would say I'd prefer to have someone else, but if he is appointed then I will look for positives - he has managed in this league, he did mastermind a fantastic unbeaten run and he will have gained experience at the two clubs he's managed and might, just, be able to use that to build a side that can compete in the Championship if the resources are available for him.
I think I'd still prefer someone else though.
I was just using him as an example. Peeters in his job before last had a 'Les reed' record, sacked after just three months. In his current role, he took a bottom team one place higher. Feedback. From this club seems encouraging, but he appears to be a level below the guy we just had, is my initial reaction, and absolutely no better than 90% of the managers in this country.
British coaching is in general damned awful. It's why clubs with money don't touch British coaches with a barge pole. I accept that BR at Liverpool as being a current exception.
Our players are again generally technically poor in relation to practically every nation on earth.
I want to see football played on the floor by players comfortable on the ball and not three passes and lump the ball forward.
I have no idea if Peeters will be any good at all but he brings with him better coaching methods than practically every available British coach in our price range.
I'm sure we will lose matches next season but that depends on the team we end up with as much as Peeters.
I'm sure you will remind me.
On the subject of Lee Clark, he's like a man who's won a competition to manage a football club and is miserable about it. The bloke doesn't have a single, solitary clue and he looks like he'd far prefer to be out there on the pitch taking orders than on the sidelines giving them. I think his passion for the game convinces clubs that he'll make a good manager but it doesn't translate into management skills unfortunately for him and them
I'm not suggesting that all British managers are great and all foreign managers are rubbish, just that managerial appointments should be based on merit rather than what it says on the applicant's passport.
Fortunately it's just starting to change.