Anyone else worried that the delay could be that Duchatelet wants to wait to see how things pan out with Liege ?
If they fail to qualify for the Champions League, Riga, after impressing here, gets promoted 'back' to Liege ?
Interesting angle but I thought Luzon signed a two year extension with Liege at the start of their play-offs? Any manager who can get goals out of Sordell and Harriott is good enough to take CAFC into the top half of the league IMHO so the sooner we sign him up the better.
Duchatelet and Meire need to close some deals to show that they are running the show and not "victims" of being outbid by other clubs.
I would still love to know who is sourcing our players and deciding who's surplus and whose not. Sure as hell isn't Riga and I'm certain that it can't be Dyer and Matthew.
the belgian league is crazy, when will it ever finish....
as everyone probably knows they do a play off system whereby their points totals are halved to make it 'fairer' - (although i don't know how giving Anderlecht a 5 point gap to standard liege, when they finished 10 points behind in 3rd is fair) - which has consequently meant Anderlecht have won more play off games and now sit 1st in the champions league space and Standard are now in 3rd.
The more interesting point is the people who qualify in the top 6 go into this champions play off, from which 1 qualifies for the champions league, 1 is entered into the qualifying rounds of champions league, 1 gets into the europa league, and 1 (4th) is eligible to try to enter the qualifying round of the europa league, whilst 2 teams miss out on europa league places all together. However, bizarrely those from 7-14 get split into two mini playoffs and the winners of each have a play off over two legs for a chance at a europa league place, before then playing off against the team who finished 4th to get this europa league qualifying place. You would rather not scrape through into the top 6 given the standard of opposition you'd have to play (anderlecht, club brugge and standard liege) relative to if you finished slightly lower (Lierse, Mechelen, Beveren). Though it all seems rather drawn out to me.
As well as this, the relegation play off is definitely the survival of the fittest as it involves two teams playing each other 5 times to see who goes down. This year Mons played OH leuven (who started 3 points above when points were refreshed) and lost twice and drew once meaning they couldn't catch second bottom and therefore they didn't play the final two games and are relegated. However, the second bottom team OH leuven still has to play a play off tournament against the teams places 2-4 in the second tier, playing each of them 2 times to see if they can stay up.
The Belgium team in the group stages will get slaughtered. It is like putting a mid to upper championship team in the Champions league. Belgium may have a great national team but all bar 2 play in other countries. The Belgium league may produce some good players but most of those get moved on.
the belgian league is crazy, when will it ever finish....
as everyone probably knows they do a play off system whereby their points totals are halved to make it 'fairer' - (although i don't know how giving Anderlecht a 5 point gap to standard liege, when they finished 10 points behind in 3rd is fair) - which has consequently meant Anderlecht have won more play off games and now sit 1st in the champions league space and Standard are now in 3rd.
The more interesting point is the people who qualify in the top 6 go into this champions play off, from which 1 qualifies for the champions league, 1 is entered into the qualifying rounds of champions league, 1 gets into the europa league, and 1 (4th) is eligible to try to enter the qualifying round of the europa league, whilst 2 teams miss out on europa league places all together. However, bizarrely those from 7-14 get split into two mini playoffs and the winners of each have a play off over two legs for a chance at a europa league place, before then playing off against the team who finished 4th to get this europa league qualifying place. You would rather not scrape through into the top 6 given the standard of opposition you'd have to play (anderlecht, club brugge and standard liege) relative to if you finished slightly lower (Lierse, Mechelen, Beveren). Though it all seems rather drawn out to me.
As well as this, the relegation play off is definitely the survival of the fittest as it involves two teams playing each other 5 times to see who goes down. This year Mons played OH leuven (who started 3 points above when points were refreshed) and lost twice and drew once meaning they couldn't catch second bottom and therefore they didn't play the final two games and are relegated. However, the second bottom team OH leuven still has to play a play off tournament against the teams places 2-4 in the second tier, playing each of them 2 times to see if they can stay up.
Such a long drawn out season.
Didn't know all of that. Very interesting and, as you say, a bit bizarre really.
I would still love to know who is sourcing our players and deciding who's surplus and whose not. Sure as hell isn't Riga and I'm certain that it can't be Dyer and Matthew.
Indeed. I have a strong suspicion that Duchatelet himself is very hands on. I don't really see that as a positive. Hope I'm wrong on both counts.
I would still love to know who is sourcing our players and deciding who's surplus and whose not. Sure as hell isn't Riga and I'm certain that it can't be Dyer and Matthew.
Indeed. I have a strong suspicion that Duchatelet himself is very hands on. I don't really see that as a positive. Hope I'm wrong on both counts.
The notion that RD was hands on had occurred to me also but I just can't get my head round the thought that a self confessed non football person who is obviously business savvy would be daft enough to think that that's a good idea. I too hope that's not the case.
the belgian league is crazy, when will it ever finish....
as everyone probably knows they do a play off system whereby their points totals are halved to make it 'fairer' - (although i don't know how giving Anderlecht a 5 point gap to standard liege, when they finished 10 points behind in 3rd is fair) - which has consequently meant Anderlecht have won more play off games and now sit 1st in the champions league space and Standard are now in 3rd.
The more interesting point is the people who qualify in the top 6 go into this champions play off, from which 1 qualifies for the champions league, 1 is entered into the qualifying rounds of champions league, 1 gets into the europa league, and 1 (4th) is eligible to try to enter the qualifying round of the europa league, whilst 2 teams miss out on europa league places all together. However, bizarrely those from 7-14 get split into two mini playoffs and the winners of each have a play off over two legs for a chance at a europa league place, before then playing off against the team who finished 4th to get this europa league qualifying place. You would rather not scrape through into the top 6 given the standard of opposition you'd have to play (anderlecht, club brugge and standard liege) relative to if you finished slightly lower (Lierse, Mechelen, Beveren). Though it all seems rather drawn out to me.
As well as this, the relegation play off is definitely the survival of the fittest as it involves two teams playing each other 5 times to see who goes down. This year Mons played OH leuven (who started 3 points above when points were refreshed) and lost twice and drew once meaning they couldn't catch second bottom and therefore they didn't play the final two games and are relegated. However, the second bottom team OH leuven still has to play a play off tournament against the teams places 2-4 in the second tier, playing each of them 2 times to see if they can stay up.
Such a long drawn out season.
You explain clearly a ridiculously convoluted procedure: the mini play-offs for those finishing 7th to 14th, then still further games just for a Europa League place seems particularly fatuous. And two relegation candidates playing each other five times! What's the point of it all? More gate receipts and TV revenue, I suppose. But I can't help thinking that it diminishes much of the crucial importance and do-or-die drama of the end of the regular, normal season.
Interesting to hear the Belgian perspective on the Championship, perhaps we fail to appreciate the challenge of this league. Jose is a very open guy who seems to wear his heart on his sleeve, which I like. Maybe we can all come together again, encouraged by the fact that having lost one lovely guy, we have found another one. Lucky us if he signs.
Well said, Granpa.
I've not posted much since I sat with Jose at the Sponsors' dinner, mainly because we spoke about so many subjects over a period of 2+ hours but I cannot emphasise enough how impressed I am by this guy. As one of SCP's biggest fans, I was very disappointed not to have one final opportunity to share some thoughts & memories with him at this event but spending time with JR was compensation 99.9% ....something which very pleasantly surprised me.
I believe I mentioned after the dinner how we had spoken about family & how important they are & I gained the impression that he had quickly felt part of the Charlton family in the short time he was with us. It would appear that his methods in training include getting the best out of his players both physically & mentally, if that makes sense and works to create more positivity /belief in themselves as individuals. If Callum & Marvin's performances in the last few games are anything to go by, then whatever he did definitely worked, that's for sure. I have the impression that he especially enjoys working with the younger players( hence the rumour that he might work with the Academy lads) as they have less "baggage" to offload....and are possibly more open to different modus operandi.....but that's purely my view.
As has been stated previously, he exudes calm & his words are measured & thoughtful IMHO. Very much a people person but in an understated way although he did say he is able to show a harder side of his personality when required. The quotations from the article posted here emphasise my feelings that he found a lot to like at Charlton ...and Charlton found a lot to like in him ! All the players I spoke with appear to have enjoyed working under him & staff at SL found him to be approachable, friendly & respectful- qualities that a certain ex manager now working in the North East did not display.
Nine words from said article have lit up my evening : " I am interested 100% " and " I give priority to Charlton "
Please Roland, don't delay any longer. This guy won't disappoint & we can't afford lose him to A N Other Club. He knows our Club is special. And he can be OUR Special One ( Mark 2)
Last season was due to be my final one as a shirt sponsor although this time I shared it with Sir Bob. Lots of pennies are spent on away tickets & travel as well as all the other things we enjoy ( wine ! :-)) But if Jose is appointed I'll go down on my knees to Mr F ( careful...!) and plead for the funds for 1 more year. It would be foolish not to do so...
What do we want? ...Jose ! When do we want him ?...NOW !
I would still love to know who is sourcing our players and deciding who's surplus and whose not. Sure as hell isn't Riga and I'm certain that it can't be Dyer and Matthew.
Indeed. I have a strong suspicion that Duchatelet himself is very hands on. I don't really see that as a positive. Hope I'm wrong on both counts.
The notion that RD was hands on had occurred to me also but I just can't get my head round the thought that a self confessed non football person who is obviously business savvy would be daft enough to think that that's a good idea. I too hope that's not the case.
I think there's a slight danger of these "he's not a football person" tales clouding some simpler solutions.
Clearly, Duchatelet isn't what we could call a passion-inspired supporter, but he is - by all accounts - a highly intelligent man, and I suspect that he's actually got a (perhaps very) good grasp on the particularities of football as a game. Obviously that's not enough to be a manager or player, since he'd be severely lacking a necessary intuition, but for a strategic director who's bringing in and moving around assets so as to maximize value, I wonder if he's far more qualified than we've twigged.
This would also seem to line up relatively nicely with select quotes I've read, particularly the Belgian journalist who said that he "often made unpopular decisions, that turn out to be right". Really, he strikes me as a man who has no understanding of the emotional or tribal side of football, but is competent - and perhaps skilled - in terms of identifying and valuing assets (whether players or actual hardware), which could go some way to explaining his early actions at SL.
The big challenge - so far as my thinking on it will take me - is how a strategy like that, in which he is very hands on, will work within a network; with only one club he's insulated from a lot of the conflict that the emotional side of the game could throw up against it, but the network would threaten to erode much of this.
Henry Irving's comment on Duchatelet seems apt, with the minor caveat that while he'll be good for us in the long run in some predictable (and highly important) ways, the question marks over the approach remain significant, and troublesome,
I wonder if Riga has proved his value as a manager to Duchatelet, or if he sees him as better suited in another role. Interesting about QPR and Fulham though; certainly didn't see that coming.
I wonder if the mad, convoluted play-off system in Belgium (halve your points total, divide in to mini-leagues, then take away the number you first thought of) explains Roland's love of maths and statistics.
Is Riga being pursued by QPR and Fulham in the same way as he was by Mourinho?
I personally think he's earnt the right to be given a chance if he wants it. But it's obvious RD doesn't go by that barometer and we really have no idea what his plans are so it's just another thing we're going to have to wait and see. Despite being one of the wary ones on here, he deserves the full summer before being fully judged and hopefully we'll know a lot more as they profess. Is frustrating though, but then following Charlton usually is.
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Duchatelet and Meire need to close some deals to show that they are running the show and not "victims" of being outbid by other clubs.
I have heard from a source our new manager is waiting for his contract to expire in Belgian
Good attempt to be funny there
as everyone probably knows they do a play off system whereby their points totals are halved to make it 'fairer' - (although i don't know how giving Anderlecht a 5 point gap to standard liege, when they finished 10 points behind in 3rd is fair) - which has consequently meant Anderlecht have won more play off games and now sit 1st in the champions league space and Standard are now in 3rd.
The more interesting point is the people who qualify in the top 6 go into this champions play off, from which 1 qualifies for the champions league, 1 is entered into the qualifying rounds of champions league, 1 gets into the europa league, and 1 (4th) is eligible to try to enter the qualifying round of the europa league, whilst 2 teams miss out on europa league places all together.
However, bizarrely those from 7-14 get split into two mini playoffs and the winners of each have a play off over two legs for a chance at a europa league place, before then playing off against the team who finished 4th to get this europa league qualifying place. You would rather not scrape through into the top 6 given the standard of opposition you'd have to play (anderlecht, club brugge and standard liege) relative to if you finished slightly lower (Lierse, Mechelen, Beveren). Though it all seems rather drawn out to me.
As well as this, the relegation play off is definitely the survival of the fittest as it involves two teams playing each other 5 times to see who goes down. This year Mons played OH leuven (who started 3 points above when points were refreshed) and lost twice and drew once meaning they couldn't catch second bottom and therefore they didn't play the final two games and are relegated. However, the second bottom team OH leuven still has to play a play off tournament against the teams places 2-4 in the second tier, playing each of them 2 times to see if they can stay up.
Such a long drawn out season.
I've not posted much since I sat with Jose at the Sponsors' dinner, mainly because we spoke about so many subjects over a period of 2+ hours but I cannot emphasise enough how impressed I am by this guy. As one of SCP's biggest fans, I was very disappointed not to have one final opportunity to share some thoughts & memories with him at this event but spending time with JR was compensation 99.9% ....something which very pleasantly surprised me.
I believe I mentioned after the dinner how we had spoken about family & how important they are & I gained the impression that he had quickly felt part of the Charlton family in the short time he was with us. It would appear that his methods in training include getting the best out of his players both physically & mentally, if that makes sense and works to create more positivity /belief in themselves as individuals. If Callum & Marvin's performances in the last few games are anything to go by, then whatever he did definitely worked, that's for sure. I have the impression that he especially enjoys working with the younger players( hence the rumour that he might work with the Academy lads) as they have less "baggage" to offload....and are possibly more open to different modus operandi.....but that's purely my view.
As has been stated previously, he exudes calm & his words are measured & thoughtful IMHO. Very much a people person but in an understated way although he did say he is able to show a harder side of his personality when required. The quotations from the article posted here emphasise my feelings that he found a lot to like at Charlton ...and Charlton found a lot to like in him ! All the players I spoke with appear to have enjoyed working under him & staff at SL found him to be approachable, friendly & respectful- qualities that a certain ex manager now working in the North East did not display.
Nine words from said article have lit up my evening : " I am interested 100% " and " I give priority to Charlton "
Please Roland, don't delay any longer. This guy won't disappoint & we can't afford lose him to A N Other Club. He knows our Club is special. And he can be OUR Special One ( Mark 2)
Last season was due to be my final one as a shirt sponsor although this time I shared it with Sir Bob. Lots of pennies are spent on away tickets & travel as well as all the other things we enjoy ( wine ! :-)) But if Jose is appointed I'll go down on my knees to Mr F ( careful...!) and plead for the funds for 1 more year. It would be foolish not to do so...
What do we want? ...Jose ! When do we want him ?...NOW !
Clearly, Duchatelet isn't what we could call a passion-inspired supporter, but he is - by all accounts - a highly intelligent man, and I suspect that he's actually got a (perhaps very) good grasp on the particularities of football as a game. Obviously that's not enough to be a manager or player, since he'd be severely lacking a necessary intuition, but for a strategic director who's bringing in and moving around assets so as to maximize value, I wonder if he's far more qualified than we've twigged.
This would also seem to line up relatively nicely with select quotes I've read, particularly the Belgian journalist who said that he "often made unpopular decisions, that turn out to be right". Really, he strikes me as a man who has no understanding of the emotional or tribal side of football, but is competent - and perhaps skilled - in terms of identifying and valuing assets (whether players or actual hardware), which could go some way to explaining his early actions at SL.
The big challenge - so far as my thinking on it will take me - is how a strategy like that, in which he is very hands on, will work within a network; with only one club he's insulated from a lot of the conflict that the emotional side of the game could throw up against it, but the network would threaten to erode much of this.
Henry Irving's comment on Duchatelet seems apt, with the minor caveat that while he'll be good for us in the long run in some predictable (and highly important) ways, the question marks over the approach remain significant, and troublesome,
I wonder if Riga has proved his value as a manager to Duchatelet, or if he sees him as better suited in another role. Interesting about QPR and Fulham though; certainly didn't see that coming.
I personally think he's earnt the right to be given a chance if he wants it. But it's obvious RD doesn't go by that barometer and we really have no idea what his plans are so it's just another thing we're going to have to wait and see. Despite being one of the wary ones on here, he deserves the full summer before being fully judged and hopefully we'll know a lot more as they profess. Is frustrating though, but then following Charlton usually is.