Considering they've already stated that they feel it was unreasonable to expect fans to commit to buying a season ticket without knowing what division we're playing in next season, I'd say it's equally unreasonable to expect fans to commit to buying a season ticket without any idea of who the manager is going to be, who the playing staff will be and whether or not the owner has any intention of investing in the playing squad sufficiently enough to avoid another relegation scrap next season.
Considering they've already stated that they feel it was unreasonable to expect fans to commit to buying a season ticket without knowing what division we're playing in next season, I'd say it's equally unreasonable to expect fans to commit to buying a season ticket without any idea of who the manager is going to be, who the playing staff will be and whether or not the owner has any intention of investing in the playing squad sufficiently enough to avoid another relegation scrap next season.
Agree with everything you said......but caved in and bought mine this morning.
Considering they've already stated that they feel it was unreasonable to expect fans to commit to buying a season ticket without knowing what division we're playing in next season, I'd say it's equally unreasonable to expect fans to commit to buying a season ticket without any idea of who the manager is going to be, who the playing staff will be and whether or not the owner has any intention of investing in the playing squad sufficiently enough to avoid another relegation scrap next season.
Really ? But what about knowing what the weather will be like for the first couple of games, who the kit sponsor is, planned roadworks for the first home game and the price of a pint ?
Considering they've already stated that they feel it was unreasonable to expect fans to commit to buying a season ticket without knowing what division we're playing in next season, I'd say it's equally unreasonable to expect fans to commit to buying a season ticket without any idea of who the manager is going to be, who the playing staff will be and whether or not the owner has any intention of investing in the playing squad sufficiently enough to avoid another relegation scrap next season.
I'd imagine there are lots of clubs who are in similar positions this summer and there will be a large turnover of players throughout the football league.
Considering they've already stated that they feel it was unreasonable to expect fans to commit to buying a season ticket without knowing what division we're playing in next season, I'd say it's equally unreasonable to expect fans to commit to buying a season ticket without any idea of who the manager is going to be, who the playing staff will be and whether or not the owner has any intention of investing in the playing squad sufficiently enough to avoid another relegation scrap next season.
I'd imagine there are lots of clubs who are in similar positions this summer and there will be a large turnover of players throughout the football league.
But most of them will have a better idea than us of whether they'll be shopping in Budgens or Waitrose.
Considering they've already stated that they feel it was unreasonable to expect fans to commit to buying a season ticket without knowing what division we're playing in next season, I'd say it's equally unreasonable to expect fans to commit to buying a season ticket without any idea of who the manager is going to be, who the playing staff will be and whether or not the owner has any intention of investing in the playing squad sufficiently enough to avoid another relegation scrap next season.
Agree with everything you said......but caved in and bought mine this morning.
I'll probably leave them sweating over my £300 til about half 4 this afternoon. Feel bitter about handing it over though.
think you are asking that bit too much Mr Largo. You could argue that if everyone took that attitude then there would be no doubt that we would be shopping in Budgens.
Time to give a little faith i feel. If you later feel it was wrongly placed, then cross that bridge then my friend.
think you are asking that bit too much Mr Largo. You could argue that if everyone took that attitude then there would be no doubt that we would be shopping in Budgens.
Time to give a little faith i feel. If you later feel it was wrongly placed, then cross that bridge then my friend.
In terms of the specifics such as players and manager, yes that probably is asking too much. Wanting to have a rough idea of the direction the owner intends to take the club is not unreasonable though, particularly as, in my opinion, all the evidence so far has been negative (I don't class scraping to safety as "success"). Anyway, apologies for hijacking the thread, I know that there's already about 60 threads where grumpy buggers like me can go and have a moan.
So am I the only one still waiting to see if Riga is given a contract and we don't get spoon-fed more like Thuram and Nego?
£25 to wait isn't much of a problem, hopefully it'll prove to be wasted money. If the worst does happen then I'll spend my season ticket cash on more away games.
Considering they've already stated that they feel it was unreasonable to expect fans to commit to buying a season ticket without knowing what division we're playing in next season, I'd say it's equally unreasonable to expect fans to commit to buying a season ticket without any idea of who the manager is going to be, who the playing staff will be and whether or not the owner has any intention of investing in the playing squad sufficiently enough to avoid another relegation scrap next season.
Really ? But what about knowing what the weather will be like for the first couple of games, who the kit sponsor is, planned roadworks for the first home game and the price of a pint ?
a) Sunny b) Winalot c) no planned roadworks for the first home game d) £4.50 - now everybody go and buy a ticket!
Maybe I'm missing something here - but I really don't get this waiting until we know x, y and z. There's been elements of uncertainty for the following season for most of the seasons I've supported the club and the only reason I wouldn't renew (as was the case a few years ago) was if moving out of the area. If finance is a problem then that's of course totally understandable also. But 'I'll only renew if .........' goes against the principle of supporting a football club for me.
For another £1 a game, I'm hanging fire until August at least as previously stated. I've really not enjoyed the last few seasons. It's like visiting a sick relative, you feel you are duty bound but it's not an enjoyable experience. I may go to a few games here and there and end up getting a half year ticket. My lads are debating us going three ways to keep the old Father-in-law company but we'll see about that one. 15 years of blind renewal has taken it's toll.
Maybe I'm missing something here - but I really don't get this waiting until we know x, y and z. There's been elements of uncertainty for the following season for most of the seasons I've supported the club and the only reason I wouldn't renew (as was the case a few years ago) was if moving out of the area. If finance is a problem then that's of course totally understandable also. But 'I'll only renew if .........' goes against the principle of supporting a football club for me.
We all have different ideas of 'principle'. For me it is wanting to see a Charlton team that I can identify with, we have a backbone of British players, individuals aren't treated as commodities and managerial choices are made for the long-term benefit of the club, and only our club. I'll happily admit Riga's appointment has turned out to be a good decision.
I'm not saying anyone's right or wrong, simply that we all have a variety of views on supporting Charlton and how we do it. For some of us there would be a point where it doesn't feel like the club we grew up supporting, and if so I'd rather not hand my money to whoever's made that happen.
Considering they've already stated that they feel it was unreasonable to expect fans to commit to buying a season ticket without knowing what division we're playing in next season, I'd say it's equally unreasonable to expect fans to commit to buying a season ticket without any idea of who the manager is going to be, who the playing staff will be and whether or not the owner has any intention of investing in the playing squad sufficiently enough to avoid another relegation scrap next season.
But aren't you looking at it the wrong way round? Isn't it really that the new prices are the regular prices and the earlier ones were discounted to offset the unknowns and to reward those prepared to take the plunge early? So, rather than punishing Johnny-come-lately see it as rewarding the early birds. It will make you feel better.
As for those unknowns, it was ever thus. The turnover of managers/players has always been a feature of the summer break.
Considering they've already stated that they feel it was unreasonable to expect fans to commit to buying a season ticket without knowing what division we're playing in next season, I'd say it's equally unreasonable to expect fans to commit to buying a season ticket without any idea of who the manager is going to be, who the playing staff will be and whether or not the owner has any intention of investing in the playing squad sufficiently enough to avoid another relegation scrap next season.
But aren't you looking at it the wrong way round? Isn't it really that the new prices are the regular prices and the earlier ones were discounted to offset the unknowns and to reward those prepared to take the plunge early? So, rather than punishing Johnny-come-lately see it as rewarding the early birds. It will make you feel better.
As for those unknowns, it was ever thus. The turnover of managers/players has always been a feature of the summer break.
That is a very good point indeed, and quite correct. The only thing I can say in response to that is that the club would have been better off using your wording rather than the stuff about supporters needing to have certainty about which division we would be in.
On a separate note, apart from claiming that "sales have been strong", there's been no indication at all of how many season tickets have been bought so far. Ever the cynic, I suspect that they mean "strong in comparison to Welling's season ticket sales, as opposed to "strong in comparison to last years' figures".
There are just too many variables, ifs, buts and maybes to count as to what's going to happen between now and the end of next season! CAFC could get a fantastic manager/coach/whatsitsname signed up, flood the pitch with investment in a totally new playing surface, get gourmet pies and real ale on sale in the ground and also go on that spending spree in Waitrose and then after all that good stuff totally cock it up next season! Nothing, but nothing is a given.
We aren't a club unique to this kind of dilemma either. A good friend of mine has a season ticket at Newcastle and I know the situation there is dire for their supporters. Leeds are in a time of change and almost hit administration, Bolton are carrying a huge debt and QPR will be stuffed if they don't get through the play-offs.
I renewed my season tickets because me and my lad want to carry on watching CAFC next season. Personally I would have renewed even if we'd gone down to League One or if we had not been bought and ended into administration - but naturally am pleased neither of those happened. Quite frankly we are lucky to be where we are now and am grateful we are in a better position than this time last year, knowing what we do now about how little money there was to keep us going!
The truth is that my lad and I just want to watch Charlton - no more, no less.
On a separate note, apart from claiming that "sales have been strong", there's been no indication at all of how many season tickets have been bought so far. Ever the cynic, I suspect that they mean "strong in comparison to Welling's season ticket sales, as opposed to "strong in comparison to last years' figures".
think you are asking that bit too much Mr Largo. You could argue that if everyone took that attitude then there would be no doubt that we would be shopping in Budgens.
Time to give a little faith i feel. If you later feel it was wrongly placed, then cross that bridge then my friend.
In terms of the specifics such as players and manager, yes that probably is asking too much. Wanting to have a rough idea of the direction the owner intends to take the club is not unreasonable though, particularly as, in my opinion, all the evidence so far has been negative (I don't class scraping to safety as "success"). Anyway, apologies for hijacking the thread, I know that there's already about 60 threads where grumpy buggers like me can go and have a moan.
He wants to go down, losing 4m by us staying up this year is all part of the tactic. Boo hissss rd out
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Time to give a little faith i feel. If you later feel it was wrongly placed, then cross that bridge then my friend.
£25 to wait isn't much of a problem, hopefully it'll prove to be wasted money. If the worst does happen then I'll spend my season ticket cash on more away games.
Handed my form in at midday and money taken within half hour.
I've really not enjoyed the last few seasons. It's like visiting a sick relative, you feel you are duty bound but it's not an enjoyable experience.
I may go to a few games here and there and end up getting a half year ticket. My lads are debating us going three ways to keep the old Father-in-law company but we'll see about that one.
15 years of blind renewal has taken it's toll.
I'm not saying anyone's right or wrong, simply that we all have a variety of views on supporting Charlton and how we do it. For some of us there would be a point where it doesn't feel like the club we grew up supporting, and if so I'd rather not hand my money to whoever's made that happen.
Isn't it really that the new prices are the regular prices and the earlier ones were discounted to offset the unknowns and to reward those prepared to take the plunge early? So, rather than punishing Johnny-come-lately see it as rewarding the early birds. It will make you feel better.
As for those unknowns, it was ever thus. The turnover of managers/players has always been a feature of the summer break.
On a separate note, apart from claiming that "sales have been strong", there's been no indication at all of how many season tickets have been bought so far. Ever the cynic, I suspect that they mean "strong in comparison to Welling's season ticket sales, as opposed to "strong in comparison to last years' figures".
We aren't a club unique to this kind of dilemma either. A good friend of mine has a season ticket at Newcastle and I know the situation there is dire for their supporters. Leeds are in a time of change and almost hit administration, Bolton are carrying a huge debt and QPR will be stuffed if they don't get through the play-offs.
I renewed my season tickets because me and my lad want to carry on watching CAFC next season. Personally I would have renewed even if we'd gone down to League One or if we had not been bought and ended into administration - but naturally am pleased neither of those happened. Quite frankly we are lucky to be where we are now and am grateful we are in a better position than this time last year, knowing what we do now about how little money there was to keep us going!
The truth is that my lad and I just want to watch Charlton - no more, no less.
On a separate note, apart from claiming that "sales have been strong", there's been no indication at all of how many season tickets have been bought so far. Ever the cynic, I suspect that they mean "strong in comparison to Welling's season ticket sales, as opposed to "strong in comparison to last years' figures".
CAFC is like the secret service these days.
He wants to go down, losing 4m by us staying up this year is all part of the tactic. Boo hissss rd out