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A question for the less youthful addicks

We are all now familiar of people moaning about moving kick off times to suit TV companies or giving sides more preparation time for the next game and then harping on about the good old days of Saturday 3pm kick-offs.
What happened pre floodlights? I think ours were installed in 1963, but prior to that you obviously couldn't have evening games and most of the winter the 2nd half of 3:00 kick-offs would be in darkness.
Did everyone moan post floodlight installation that this new phenomenon was going against tradition?

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  • That's a good point! I never thought about football pre floodlights..... Were KO's any earlier during winter months.

    I suspect some of the locals would have complained.
  • I wasn't born back then but games would kick off at 2.15 on a Satuday during the winter months and 3.00 during the lighter months. Cup replays were played mid-week starting at 1.30 or 1.45
  • edited April 2014
    quick glance at an old Arsenal programme i fished out had a 2.15 kick-off for a game in November 1950


    ..oh, and a Sunday rail excursion to Doncaster for 19/3
  • Ahhh interesting. No I wasn't around then either.

    Football has changed a lot and I'm sure it'll change some more. And there will always be moaners!
  • Even in the late sixties, when we had floodlights, it was rare for them to be turned on for 3pm kick-offs before the clocks changed (due to cost I suspect). Many games used to finish in gloom as the evening drew in. In full winter, they were turned on at half-time, but not usually during play.
  • I can remember my Dad saying that they used to bunk off school for cup replays and there was a problem with midweek absenteeism at Siemens where my Grandad worked ;-)
  • Would much rather see proper floodlights than the modern ones on the top of stands, don't know what it is but there's something about them. Seeing them as you drew closer to the town on the train for away games, even standing near the one at Millwall that was slap bang in the away corner and got in the way. Another reason why I hate most new grounds!
  • Would much rather see proper floodlights than the modern ones on the top of stands, don't know what it is but there's something about them. Seeing them as you drew closer to the town on the train for away games, even standing near the one at Millwall that was slap bang in the away corner and got in the way. Another reason why I hate most new grounds!

    The ones (5 I think?) at the St Lawrence cricket ground in Canterbury are especially magnificent and can be seen for miles around. Ahh cricket!
  • When I started work in 1965 the working week had just been reduced to 40 hours. Somtime previous it was I believe a 48 hour week with Saturday morning being part of the normal working week. My uncle once told me that he would finish work on Saturday morning, go into the pub and then onto the 2.15 k.o. Many football clubs flourished close to factory's.
  • When I started work in 1965 the working week had just been reduced to 40 hours. Somtime previous it was I believe a 48 hour week with Saturday morning being part of the normal working week. My uncle once told me that he would finish work on Saturday morning, go into the pub and then onto the 2.15 k.o. Many football clubs flourished close to factory's.

    Well what else was there to do, the pubs used to kick out at 2pm and not open again until the evening.
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  • Didn't know that the Leeds floodlights were the highest. Was at a Happy Mondays concert there in the early 90's and some bloke who was off his tits climbed up to the top of one. Came down eventually but as you can imagine, there was quite a bit of concern at the time.

  • I used to go to school at Charlton Secondary school on the bottom road (now I believe adult education) and walk home to Cherry Orchard Estate, and walking pass and above the ground (sorry live up north now and cannot remember names of roads) used to watch bits of the game going on from the road, behind where the Jimmy Seed stand is now. So obviously an afternoon game
  • Remember early evening kick off about 6pm,train from London Bridge in the rush hour
  • edited April 2014
    pre floodlights the kick off was at 2pm
  • ross1 said:

    I used to go to school at Charlton Secondary school on the bottom road (now I believe adult education) and walk home to Cherry Orchard Estate, and walking pass and above the ground (sorry live up north now and cannot remember names of roads) used to watch bits of the game going on from the road, behind where the Jimmy Seed stand is now. So obviously an afternoon game

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  • in 92 our lights were best in the land hence parma using the valley for training. didnt they used to spellout cafc also? remember the day the took the old floods down.
  • Cup replays were played in the afternoon during the week. The old man told me how he bunked off school and go and watch Charlton play M'boro.

  • Suspect most fans were pleased. For midweek games some fans could attend games that they otherwise would not, and other fans who would have attended in any event, no longer had to take time off work.

    Anyone know how the early kick offs in winter affected Millwall? They had dispensation from the league to kick off 15 mins after everyone else so some of their fans could get in, surely kicking off 1 hour early would affect their gates?
  • Didn't know that the Leeds floodlights were the highest. Was at a Happy Mondays concert there in the early 90's and some bloke who was off his tits climbed up to the top of one. Came down eventually but as you can imagine, there was quite a bit of concern at the time.

    @DaveMehmet did he just 'step on' up.
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  • Didn't know that the Leeds floodlights were the highest. Was at a Happy Mondays concert there in the early 90's and some bloke who was off his tits climbed up to the top of one. Came down eventually but as you can imagine, there was quite a bit of concern at the time.

    @DaveMehmet did he just 'step on' up.
    Not sure but we all shouted Hallelujah when he finally came down

  • Suspect most fans were pleased. For midweek games some fans could attend games that they otherwise would not, and other fans who would have attended in any event, no longer had to take time off work.

    Anyone know how the early kick offs in winter affected Millwall? They had dispensation from the league to kick off 15 mins after everyone else so some of their fans could get in, surely kicking off 1 hour early would affect their gates?


    I suppose pushing your way through a turnstile would be a bit complicated for some spanners.
  • in 92 our lights were best in the land hence parma using the valley for training. didnt they used to spellout cafc also? remember the day the took the old floods down.

    Yes they did, I remember first noticing this when we beat Grimsby 4-0 in what I think was 2000?
  • Similar to the Rugby @ Blackheath I guess when the kick off s were earlier until their floodlights installed....(winter months)....sometimes they still are earlier @ The Club....
  • I don't think that you don't need to go back to pre 1960's, didn't we have to alter KO times during the 3 day week to conserve power? I recall us playing on a Sunday and getting some strange membership to get around the Sunday trading laws. I seem to recall that these were related but I may be totally wrong due to alcohol abuse and brain cell loss.
  • A little research later, I was nearly right. Just wrong to blame the miners; http://www.footballsite.co.uk/Statistics/Articles/SOS-SundayFootball.htm

    In December 1973 the Football Association asked the Home Office for permission to play matches on Sundays. Even though floodlights would not be used electricity was needed for the general running of the ground and it was considered that Sundays might allow a more guaranteed supply. Permission was granted, but the change was not universally popular. Bob Wall of Arsenal said: ' Playing football and making profits on a Sunday is wrong. We will not disturb the peace and quiet of the neighbourhood of Highbury on that day.' How times have changed!

    But things needed to change. Attendances plummeted for not only were the revised kick-off times unpopular but the price of petrol, which was increasing daily, and the uncertainty of employment meant that many couldn't afford to attend matches.

    Things did change. Sunday January 6th 1974 was the historic day which saw four FA Cup Third Round ties played, the first match on a Sunday being the Cambridge United v Oldham match which kicked off in the morning. Two weeks later, on January 20th, a dozen grounds staged League football for the first time on the Sunday, the first of those kicking off in the morning being Millwall v Fulham in the Second Division. A week later on Sunday 27th January the first match in the top flight was played, a Geoff Hurst penalty giving Stoke City a 1-0 home victory over Chelsea. The same weekend saw Darlington play two home League matches - they played Stockport on the Saturday and Torquay on Sunday, both ending in draws. Sunday football had arrived.

    It proved to be a popular innovation and generally attendances were considerably better than average. While not everyone was in favour of Sunday football most agreed with FA secretary Ted Croker when he said: 'Football is the national game and we should be concerned to give the public what they want when they want it. A lot of people do want to watch football on Sundays.'

    If you are wondering how the clubs got around the law of the land, The Sunday Observance Act (of 1780!), which prevented an admission charge being made for football matches (as well as many other events. Well, it was a fiddle. Admission was free but you needed to buy a programme to get in. Programmes cost differing amounts depending on what part of the ground you wanted to enter. That was enough to get round the law! It was sumed up nicely on the front cover of the programme for the first ever match played on a Sunday -

  • I'm pretty sure that some midweek games during the 1973 power crisis were switched to the afternoon.

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