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Southeastern train disruption (franchise to be taken over by Govt p191)

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  • As much as anything, this is down to staff not being able to get to the depots in Kent. The roads around here were treacherous and blocked by abandoned cars this morning. 
  • As much as anything, this is down to staff not being able to get to the depots in Kent. The roads around here were treacherous and blocked by abandoned cars this morning. 
    Masterbrew working for setrains marketing department? Or auditioning for a job?
  • So it looks like I've got to go into the office tomorrow. Leaving aside the snow/ice, based on previous strike days is there any indication as to whether;

    1. The are likely to be any services at all on the Sidcup line? (I'm guessing not)
    2. If the Elizabeth line is running? (Website suggests it is, but with a reduced services)
    3. If the DLR is running? (Again, website suggest it is)

    Any views on previous experiences welcomed.

    Cheers
  • Billy_Mix said:

    Masterbrew working for setrains marketing department? Or auditioning for a job?
    Neither, just a simple fact. It's also the reason that many schools are shut 
  • Off_it said:
    So it looks like I've got to go into the office tomorrow. Leaving aside the snow/ice, based on previous strike days is there any indication as to whether;

    1. The are likely to be any services at all on the Sidcup line? (I'm guessing not)
    2. If the Elizabeth line is running? (Website suggests it is, but with a reduced services)
    3. If the DLR is running? (Again, website suggest it is)

    Any views on previous experiences welcomed.

    Cheers
    Half-hourly service on Sidcup line between Dartford & London Bridge, first train departs Dartford at 07.23.
    Last train Departs London Bridge at 17.44
    https://timetables.southeasternrailway.co.uk/#/timetables/1707/Table 5 TO

    Elizabeth Line as follows

    Elizabeth line

    Reduced service. Services will operate in 3 sections:

    Liverpool Street - Shenfield

    • Services will run 07:30-18:30
    • 2 trains per hour

    Abbey Wood - Paddington

    • 12 trains per hour until 17:30
    • 6 trains per hour from 17:30
    • 6 trains per hour before 08:00 on Wed 14 and Sat 17 December 2022, and Wed 4 and Sat 7 January 2023

    Paddington - Heathrow

    • Services will run 07:30-18:30
    • 2 trains per hour Paddington - Reading
    • 2 trains per hour Paddington - Heathrow T4
    https://tfl.gov.uk/campaign/strikes?intcmp=35779

    DLR
    Normal service.
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  • Thanks @clive - really helpful and informative, as always.

    Can I ask, what is it you do for a living? 

    Also, any punters on the Sidcup line know what these half hourly trains have been like in terms of being busy? Cheers.
  • Off_it said:
    So it looks like I've got to go into the office tomorrow. Leaving aside the snow/ice, based on previous strike days is there any indication as to whether;

    1. The are likely to be any services at all on the Sidcup line? (I'm guessing not)
    2. If the Elizabeth line is running? (Website suggests it is, but with a reduced services)
    3. If the DLR is running? (Again, website suggest it is)

    Any views on previous experiences welcomed.

    Cheers
    The DLR runs regular as clockwork on strike days as I always get it in.  
  • Southeastern snow timetable seems to have worked as planned today 
  • Considering that there are a number of de-icing trains running around the SE network and I believe some of the trains are fitted with de-icing equipment, it was a bloody poor show from yesterday evening onwards. 
    Of course if the staff can't get into work due to poor road conditions then it doesn't matter how good the de-icing facilities are, trains won't run. 
    Long gone are the days when key staff lived in railway-built housing near to the railway depots...
  • I'm trying to find out about the strikes in January but can't get confirmation.

    I need to get a train to further out in Kent on January 3rd. 

    I'm usually a trainspotter general but does anyone know if all trains are cancelled on the 3rd?

    When are they going to stop this continuous striking crap. They aren't poor!
  • Dave2l said:
    I'm trying to find out about the strikes in January but can't get confirmation.

    I need to get a train to further out in Kent on January 3rd. 

    I'm usually a trainspotter general but does anyone know if all trains are cancelled on the 3rd?

    When are they going to stop this continuous striking crap. They aren't poor!

    Tuesday 3, Wednesday 4, Friday 6 and Saturday 7 January

    • There will be a limited service running on our network and some routes will be closed. The national advice is please only travel if absolutely necessary. If you have to travel, plan ahead and check your first and last trains across all train operators.
    • Only 44 out of 180 stations will be open. No rail replacement buses will serve stations that are closed
    • You may be unable to board trains at stations where a limited service is running, especially at locations such as Ashford and Ebbsfleet.
    • The last trains back from London will be much earlier than usual.
    • Online journey planners are up to date.
    • https://www.southeasternrailway.co.uk/travel-information/live-travel-information/industrial-actionService availability on Tuesday 3 Wednesday 4 Friday 6 and Saturday 7 January 2023
  • That map is an absolute joke - you can't actually read what it says in the key.

    I thought it may just be a bad copy, but it's exactly the same on their website.

    How totally shit is that.
  • clive said:
    Dave2l said:
    I'm trying to find out about the strikes in January but can't get confirmation.

    I need to get a train to further out in Kent on January 3rd. 

    I'm usually a trainspotter general but does anyone know if all trains are cancelled on the 3rd?

    When are they going to stop this continuous striking crap. They aren't poor!

    Tuesday 3, Wednesday 4, Friday 6 and Saturday 7 January

    • There will be a limited service running on our network and some routes will be closed. The national advice is please only travel if absolutely necessary. If you have to travel, plan ahead and check your first and last trains across all train operators.
    • Only 44 out of 180 stations will be open. No rail replacement buses will serve stations that are closed
    • You may be unable to board trains at stations where a limited service is running, especially at locations such as Ashford and Ebbsfleet.
    • The last trains back from London will be much earlier than usual.
    • Online journey planners are up to date.
    • https://www.southeasternrailway.co.uk/travel-information/live-travel-information/industrial-actionService availability on Tuesday 3 Wednesday 4 Friday 6 and Saturday 7 January 2023

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    This is quite literally the most frustrating thing in the world.
    I don't need to explain it but it is a c#nt!

    I just tried to book a ticket for thursday the 5th of January.

    It doesn't appear to be a day that will be affected but I still can't book a ticket?
  • ASLEF drivers are striking on 5th January. 
    No drivers = no trains at all.
    Further details via the nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruption page
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  • It appears to all be back to normal the following Sunday 8th Jan 

  • Hopefully that's clearer for people
  • It appears all trains start running again from Sunday the 8th.

    Hopefully it stays that way and another moaning strike doesn't occur.

    They probably collectively earn a high annual salary but it's obviously not enough and won't ever be good enough. 

    I doubt similar continuous strikes like these always happen further out in europe


  • Dave2l said:
    I'm trying to find out about the strikes in January but can't get confirmation.

    I need to get a train to further out in Kent on January 3rd. 

    I'm usually a trainspotter general but does anyone know if all trains are cancelled on the 3rd?

    When are they going to stop this continuous striking crap. They aren't poor!
    When is the govt going to stop interfering in the negotiations?
  • Dave2l said:
    It appears all trains start running again from Sunday the 8th.

    Hopefully it stays that way and another moaning strike doesn't occur.

    They probably collectively earn a high annual salary but it's obviously not enough and won't ever be good enough. 

    I doubt similar continuous strikes like these always happen further out in europe


    Would you accept an effective cut in your wages and pension, and threats to you actually having a job?  I know I wouldn't without trying to do something about it.  There are many explainers for the strikes on the web, here's one that's not from the BBC or The Guardian, which I know many people on here seem to have a problem with:

    https://www.openaccessgovernment.org/whats-the-rail-strike-all-about-rmt-transport-inflation-government/138420/
  • The government won’t want to give anyone a decent pay rise, as they will see it as a precedent. They want to break the unions or bring in legislation to reduce their powers. 

    I can only see a grim few months ahead. 
  • Avanti West Coast and Southeastern ‘worst for cancellations’ as train reliability hits record low

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/avanti-west-coast-southeastern-train-cancellations-london-euston-orr-strikes-b1054931.html

  • clive said:

    Avanti West Coast and Southeastern ‘worst for cancellations’ as train reliability hits record low

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/avanti-west-coast-southeastern-train-cancellations-london-euston-orr-strikes-b1054931.html

    Sadly Southeastern will likely use this as more evidence to support their appalling’All Change’ new timetable. 😡
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