Most countries in europe have double decker trains and it works fine, why not here?
Next time your at a station with a tunnel o bridge near by, look at how much actual clearance there is.
Almost every tunnel, bridge, overhead signal gantry would either have to be raised or track bed lowered. The system we use isn’t built for double deckers
My dad was commuting in the days when BR Southern Region was experimenting with double-decker commuter trains. The idea was to help reduce overcrowding, but I believe they were eventually binned because it turned into a time-consuming free for all when people were trying to get on and off at busy stations. I remember seeing them as a boy, but never got to travel on one.
They had these in Vienna a few years back, when I went.
Double decker trains are used all over the world - for commuter trains and for most high speed trains.
We cannot have them in this country because the height and more importantly the width of our trains is much smaller than on most other systems. You simply cannot build wide stairs and stair wells into our tiny trains.
HS2 will be to normal standards and permit trains carrying well over 1000 passengers. New double decker high speed trains in Europe specifically built for low-cost operators have five or even six seats in a row (like an aircraft cabin). They can have over 1250 seats in a single train.
Most countries in europe have double decker trains and it works fine, why not here?
Next time your at a station with a tunnel o bridge near by, look at how much actual clearance there is.
Almost every tunnel, bridge, overhead signal gantry would either have to be raised or track bed lowered. The system we use isn’t built for double deckers
The width is the real problem. For double deck you need wider trains so the track bed would have to be widened everywhere on the line - including stations. It's just impossible.
Most countries in europe have double decker trains and it works fine, why not here?
Next time your at a station with a tunnel o bridge near by, look at how much actual clearance there is.
Almost every tunnel, bridge, overhead signal gantry would either have to be raised or track bed lowered. The system we use isn’t built for double deckers
The width is the real problem. For double deck you need wider trains so the track bed would have to be widened everywhere on the line - including stations. It's just impossible.
Yeah yeah......there's always one excuse or another to stop progress 😄
Most countries in europe have double decker trains and it works fine, why not here?
Next time your at a station with a tunnel o bridge near by, look at how much actual clearance there is.
Almost every tunnel, bridge, overhead signal gantry would either have to be raised or track bed lowered. The system we use isn’t built for double deckers
The width is the real problem. For double deck you need wider trains so the track bed would have to be widened everywhere on the line - including stations. It's just impossible.
My dad was commuting in the days when BR Southern Region was experimenting with double-decker commuter trains. The idea was to help reduce overcrowding, but I believe they were eventually binned because it turned into a time-consuming free for all when people were trying to get on and off at busy stations. I remember seeing them as a boy, but never got to travel on one.
Travelled on these a few times from Eltham Well Hall. They had a 'ladies only compartment' in one carriage. (No euphemism there!)
Most countries in europe have double decker trains and it works fine, why not here?
Next time your at a station with a tunnel o bridge near by, look at how much actual clearance there is.
Almost every tunnel, bridge, overhead signal gantry would either have to be raised or track bed lowered. The system we use isn’t built for double deckers
The width is the real problem. For double deck you need wider trains so the track bed would have to be widened everywhere on the line - including stations. It's just impossible.
I still think we should make a start. For example as the trains go through Bermondsey, there's a convenient piece of waste ground here they could be expanded onto
I have travelled on the double decker TGV from Paris to Cannes a few times - superb trains - comfortable and so fast - the French had their railways badly beaten up in WW2, as did we, but post war they decided to completely rethink their long distance rail system, ditch steam as quick as possible, modernise - we errrrr didn’t go that way
I have travelled on the double decker TGV from Paris to Cannes a few times - superb trains - comfortable and so fast - the French had their railways badly beaten up in WW2, as did we, but post war they decided to completely rethink their long distance rail system, ditch steam as quick as possible, modernise - we errrrr didn’t go that way
Also as we found out when building the High Speed lines to Paris, the French towns and villages were almost falling over themselves to get it running near them and having a station. We in the UK on the other hand did everything we could to block it and not get it built at all!
I have travelled on the double decker TGV from Paris to Cannes a few times - superb trains - comfortable and so fast - the French had their railways badly beaten up in WW2, as did we, but post war they decided to completely rethink their long distance rail system, ditch steam as quick as possible, modernise - we errrrr didn’t go that way
Also as we found out when building the High Speed lines to Paris, the French towns and villages were almost falling over themselves to get it running near them and having a station. We in the UK on the other hand did everything we could to block it and not get it built at all!
To be fair HS2 will run through the Chilterns (mostly in tunnels) without stopping. There's not really anywhere to top anyway!
That's the way high speed lines tend to work - trains have to leave the line before you they can slow down or stop - like a motorway.
I don't think there will be a problem in the long term but there is certainly a lot of disruption at the moment while the tunnels are begin dug which the locals will never see a benefit from.
No need to panic. Despite the change in ownership, everything that you hated about us before is staying exactly the same, so you can still rely on us to be utterly shit and extortionately expensive!
And as it's a track fault, not their responsibility anyway. The track is maintained by Network Rail
Still trading under the prestigious SouthEastern brand name, just different ownership, same as us from Roland to Sandgaard. So those ever popular half and half SouthEastern / Southern Rail nooses are still current and on trend.
Also, Network Rail and SouthEastern now both owned by the government, which means that parcels of dog shit, old toe nail clippings etc can all be sent to Grant Shapps.
Operator Of Last Resort explicitly under instruction to function on minimal cost possible in all circumstances. Lowest cost as an absolute. No notion of VFM, no considerations beyond the price paid today, even short term considerations let alone middle or beyond are out the window. Cos y'know OoLR is "temporary" innit and Schapps and his experts will be reassigning the operating contracts to new commercial operators instanta. Cos that's worked brilliantly up to now.... wibble Current infrastructure planning and policy is even less thought through than the cock-eyed bullshit job handed to Dr Beeching.
Looking forward to getting the shitshow express In tomorrow. On Tuesday I had to go to Bromley south as Charing x trains were was fcuked. I wonder what adventure awaits me in the morning 🤔
Stick Nigel in charge, he will soon persuade people that the trains ain't late but all the clocks fast.
Well, there were a lot of positives this morning. When the train left the depot it was on time and we looked like we had a good service on. It was against the run of play that the tracks just stopped working and then our shoulders dropped and we panicked. We looked really good in planning yesterday, we had the whole timetable worked out, but we just couldn't bring that onto the service this morning. We'll evaluate and keep working to make sure we have a service that actually brings people into work.
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Might be time to revisit for the modern age
The system we use isn’t built for double deckers
We cannot have them in this country because the height and more importantly the width of our trains is much smaller than on most other systems. You simply cannot build wide stairs and stair wells into our tiny trains.
HS2 will be to normal standards and permit trains carrying well over 1000 passengers. New double decker high speed trains in Europe specifically built for low-cost operators have five or even six seats in a row (like an aircraft cabin). They can have over 1250 seats in a single train.
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That's the way high speed lines tend to work - trains have to leave the line before you they can slow down or stop - like a motorway.
I don't think there will be a problem in the long term but there is certainly a lot of disruption at the moment while the tunnels are begin dug which the locals will never see a benefit from.
No need to panic. Despite the change in ownership, everything that you hated about us before is staying exactly the same, so you can still rely on us to be utterly shit and extortionately expensive!
Also, Network Rail and SouthEastern now both owned by the government, which means that parcels of dog shit, old toe nail clippings etc can all be sent to Grant Shapps.
Current infrastructure planning and policy is even less thought through than the cock-eyed bullshit job handed to Dr Beeching.
not a lot up the Bexleyheath line
Could have been worse I guess, could have had to get the Bexleyheath line
Still "urgent repair works" at Grove Park
We looked really good in planning yesterday, we had the whole timetable worked out, but we just couldn't bring that onto the service this morning.
We'll evaluate and keep working to make sure we have a service that actually brings people into work.