I have to say, I don't rink the argument we have cousins to replace him works! In a 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1 there is room for them both to start. Poyet holding cousins going box to box with an adjarevic type player in front of them.. This is all hypothetical of course..
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Cousins tweeted earlier about players he saw at the training ground and didnt mention Poyet!!!!!!!!!!!! Clearly this means he is going, we are all doomed and the end of the world is indeed nigh
Cousins tweeted earlier about players he saw at the training ground and didnt mention Poyet!!!!!!!!!!!! Clearly this means he is going, we are all doomed and the end of the world is indeed nigh
Cousins tweeted earlier about players he saw at the training ground and didnt mention Poyet!!!!!!!!!!!! Clearly this means he is going, we are all doomed and the end of the world is indeed nigh
He never mentions Church either NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :-(
If we have skipped a bidding war to keep Dervite and Hamer I would hope that there is something in the kitty to make decent offers to Gomez and Morrison... Poyet either signs or he doesn't - don't think £notes will make q big difference to that negotiation.
Diego needs/needed security and his pathway paved, under an untried manager and a team that no-one knows what it looks like, progressing isn't easy. We could have got another year out of him under Powell/Riga and not because they are better managers but they are what he knows and loves, Powell introduced him to Professional football and trusted him and Riga played a style he likes and also trusted him. Think we've played this totally wrong, RD's spreadsheet doesn't factor in stuff like this, and it never can
How do you know all this, do you work for the club/do you know Poyet, or are you guessing?
Diego needs/needed security and his pathway paved, under an untried manager and a team that no-one knows what it looks like, progressing isn't easy. We could have got another year out of him under Powell/Riga and not because they are better managers but they are what he knows and loves, Powell introduced him to Professional football and trusted him and Riga played a style he likes and also trusted him. Think we've played this totally wrong, RD's spreadsheet doesn't factor in stuff like this, and it never can
How do you know all this, do you work for the club/do you know Poyet, or are you guessing?
Diego needs/needed security and his pathway paved, under an untried manager and a team that no-one knows what it looks like, progressing isn't easy. We could have got another year out of him under Powell/Riga and not because they are better managers but they are what he knows and loves, Powell introduced him to Professional football and trusted him and Riga played a style he likes and also trusted him. Think we've played this totally wrong, RD's spreadsheet doesn't factor in stuff like this, and it never can
How do you know all this, do you work for the club/do you know Poyet, or are you guessing?
He is guessing
AA is expressing an opinion, and their reading of the situation, no need to dig him out, because it doesn't agree with yours or Greenies. If football forums were resticted to those that were ITK then there would be feck all people posting.
Diego needs/needed security and his pathway paved, under an untried manager and a team that no-one knows what it looks like, progressing isn't easy. We could have got another year out of him under Powell/Riga and not because they are better managers but they are what he knows and loves, Powell introduced him to Professional football and trusted him and Riga played a style he likes and also trusted him. Think we've played this totally wrong, RD's spreadsheet doesn't factor in stuff like this, and it never can
How do you know all this, do you work for the club/do you know Poyet, or are you guessing?
How do I know what? That Diego needs/needed security? He's a young professional footballer with a huge future ahead of him if he plays his cards rights, he also has some great mentors around him in his dad and friends and I'm sure his agent.
Would you not want security in knowing what you are signing a contract for? If your company released everyone around you, including two of your managers, one of which got you the job you had essentially, and one of your biggest mentors who got you through your days at work, would you be happy to sign on the dotted line or would you feel safer listening to offers coming from elsewhere? Honest answer?
Diego needs/needed security and his pathway paved, under an untried manager and a team that no-one knows what it looks like, progressing isn't easy. We could have got another year out of him under Powell/Riga and not because they are better managers but they are what he knows and loves, Powell introduced him to Professional football and trusted him and Riga played a style he likes and also trusted him. Think we've played this totally wrong, RD's spreadsheet doesn't factor in stuff like this, and it never can
How do you know all this, do you work for the club/do you know Poyet, or are you guessing?
How do I know what? That Diego needs/needed security? He's a young professional footballer with a huge future ahead of him if he plays his cards rights, he also has some great mentors around him in his dad and friends and I'm sure his agent.
Would you not want security in knowing what you are signing a contract for? If your company released everyone around you, including two of your managers, one of which got you the job you had essentially, and one of your biggest mentors who got you through your days at work, would you be happy to sign on the dotted line or would you feel safer listening to offers coming from elsewhere? Honest answer?
No, all of it, everything that you wrote that I quoted, all of it as I wrote from the beginning to RD s spreadsheet. I would say you are making assumptions.
Would you not want security in knowing what you are signing a contract for? If your company released everyone around you, including two of your managers, one of which got you the job you had essentially, and one of your biggest mentors who got you through your days at work, would you be happy to sign on the dotted line or would you feel safer listening to offers coming from elsewhere? Honest answer?
If my boss had been sacked because he very clearly fell out with the MD and the sales figures were really bad then I would understand.
If the next Manager was an Interim just to strengthen the business and see us through year end then I would understand when he came to the end of that job.
If a number of my colleagues got let go after demanding more money than they had been on then I would understand.
But I would still see if I could get a better job elsewhere regardless of who my boss was.
Diego needs/needed security and his pathway paved, under an untried manager and a team that no-one knows what it looks like, progressing isn't easy. We could have got another year out of him under Powell/Riga and not because they are better managers but they are what he knows and loves, Powell introduced him to Professional football and trusted him and Riga played a style he likes and also trusted him. Think we've played this totally wrong, RD's spreadsheet doesn't factor in stuff like this, and it never can
How do you know all this, do you work for the club/do you know Poyet, or are you guessing?
How do I know what? That Diego needs/needed security? He's a young professional footballer with a huge future ahead of him if he plays his cards rights, he also has some great mentors around him in his dad and friends and I'm sure his agent.
Would you not want security in knowing what you are signing a contract for? If your company released everyone around you, including two of your managers, one of which got you the job you had essentially, and one of your biggest mentors who got you through your days at work, would you be happy to sign on the dotted line or would you feel safer listening to offers coming from elsewhere? Honest answer?
No, all of it, everything that you wrote that I quoted, all of it as I wrote from the beginning to RD s spreadsheet. I would say you are making assumptions.
Diego needs/needed security and his pathway paved, under an untried manager and a team that no-one knows what it looks like, progressing isn't easy. Do you disagree?
We could have got another year out of him under Powell/Riga and not because they are better managers but they are what he knows and loves. My opinion mixed with a fact, he was blossoming under both these mangers, will he want to do it a 3rd time, it would be a risk for him
Powell introduced him to Professional football and trusted him and Riga played a style he likes and also trusted him. Disagree with this?
Think we've played this totally wrong, RD's spreadsheet doesn't factor in stuff like this, and it never can. This bit is debatable and down to your opinion, granted, but forums are for opinions.
KM said to me in April that Poyet reasons for staying of leaving wouldn't just be about money but as much if not more about who the manager was (this was before Riga left) and how the squad was strenghtened.
Diego needs/needed security and his pathway paved, under an untried manager and a team that no-one knows what it looks like, progressing isn't easy. We could have got another year out of him under Powell/Riga and not because they are better managers but they are what he knows and loves, Powell introduced him to Professional football and trusted him and Riga played a style he likes and also trusted him. Think we've played this totally wrong, RD's spreadsheet doesn't factor in stuff like this, and it never can
How do you know all this, do you work for the club/do you know Poyet, or are you guessing?
How do I know what? That Diego needs/needed security? He's a young professional footballer with a huge future ahead of him if he plays his cards rights, he also has some great mentors around him in his dad and friends and I'm sure his agent.
Would you not want security in knowing what you are signing a contract for? If your company released everyone around you, including two of your managers, one of which got you the job you had essentially, and one of your biggest mentors who got you through your days at work, would you be happy to sign on the dotted line or would you feel safer listening to offers coming from elsewhere? Honest answer?
No, all of it, everything that you wrote that I quoted, all of it as I wrote from the beginning to RD s spreadsheet. I would say you are making assumptions.
Diego needs/needed security and his pathway paved, under an untried manager and a team that no-one knows what it looks like, progressing isn't easy. Do you disagree?Fair point but when he moves, what if that manager moves on?
We could have got another year out of him under Powell/Riga and not because they are better managers but they are what he knows and loves. My opinion mixed with a fact, he was blossoming under both these mangers, will he want to do it a 3rd time, it would be a risk for him Opinion, who knows he loved Powell/Riga, why would it be a risk , managers get maybe 2 season on average.
Powell introduced him to Professional football and trusted him and Riga played a style he likes and also trusted him. Disagree with this? Agree with the Powell bit, but how the hell do we know Riga played a style he liked, again what if his new team changed styles?
Think we've played this totally wrong, RD's spreadsheet doesn't factor in stuff like this, and it never can. This bit is debatable and down to your opinion, granted, but forums are for opinions.
Opinion
FWIW - IMHO, DP was never going to stay anyway even if Powell was still manager. He's been tempted by the big money. If he was one of my kids, I'd tell him to go where the biggest pay cheque is, he may break his legs next season...!
Diego needs/needed security and his pathway paved, under an untried manager and a team that no-one knows what it looks like, progressing isn't easy. We could have got another year out of him under Powell/Riga and not because they are better managers but they are what he knows and loves, Powell introduced him to Professional football and trusted him and Riga played a style he likes and also trusted him. Think we've played this totally wrong, RD's spreadsheet doesn't factor in stuff like this, and it never can
How do you know all this, do you work for the club/do you know Poyet, or are you guessing?
How do I know what? That Diego needs/needed security? He's a young professional footballer with a huge future ahead of him if he plays his cards rights, he also has some great mentors around him in his dad and friends and I'm sure his agent.
Would you not want security in knowing what you are signing a contract for? If your company released everyone around you, including two of your managers, one of which got you the job you had essentially, and one of your biggest mentors who got you through your days at work, would you be happy to sign on the dotted line or would you feel safer listening to offers coming from elsewhere? Honest answer?
No, all of it, everything that you wrote that I quoted, all of it as I wrote from the beginning to RD s spreadsheet. I would say you are making assumptions.
Diego needs/needed security and his pathway paved, under an untried manager and a team that no-one knows what it looks like, progressing isn't easy. Do you disagree?Fair point but when he moves, what if that manager moves on?
We could have got another year out of him under Powell/Riga and not because they are better managers but they are what he knows and loves. My opinion mixed with a fact, he was blossoming under both these mangers, will he want to do it a 3rd time, it would be a risk for him Opinion, who knows he loved Powell/Riga, why would it be a risk , managers get maybe 2 season on average.
Powell introduced him to Professional football and trusted him and Riga played a style he likes and also trusted him. Disagree with this? Agree with the Powell bit, but how the hell do we know Riga played a style he liked, again what if his new team changed styles?
Think we've played this totally wrong, RD's spreadsheet doesn't factor in stuff like this, and it never can. This bit is debatable and down to your opinion, granted, but forums are for opinions.
Opinion
FWIW - IMHO, DP was never going to stay anyway even if Powell was still manager. He's been tempted by the big money. If he was one of my kids, I'd tell him to go where the biggest pay cheque is, he may break his legs next season...!
You're picking up on my posts and I am responding to what you are saying, and you're not answering. And speaking to Diego once, and from what I have heard, I think your big money shout is far from the truth, and also from what KM has said. But thats your opinion, so don't bite at me for mine, hey?
Diego needs/needed security and his pathway paved, under an untried manager and a team that no-one knows what it looks like, progressing isn't easy. We could have got another year out of him under Powell/Riga and not because they are better managers but they are what he knows and loves, Powell introduced him to Professional football and trusted him and Riga played a style he likes and also trusted him. Think we've played this totally wrong, RD's spreadsheet doesn't factor in stuff like this, and it never can
How do you know all this, do you work for the club/do you know Poyet, or are you guessing?
How do I know what? That Diego needs/needed security? He's a young professional footballer with a huge future ahead of him if he plays his cards rights, he also has some great mentors around him in his dad and friends and I'm sure his agent.
Would you not want security in knowing what you are signing a contract for? If your company released everyone around you, including two of your managers, one of which got you the job you had essentially, and one of your biggest mentors who got you through your days at work, would you be happy to sign on the dotted line or would you feel safer listening to offers coming from elsewhere? Honest answer?
No, all of it, everything that you wrote that I quoted, all of it as I wrote from the beginning to RD s spreadsheet. I would say you are making assumptions.
Diego needs/needed security and his pathway paved, under an untried manager and a team that no-one knows what it looks like, progressing isn't easy. Do you disagree?Fair point but when he moves, what if that manager moves on?
We could have got another year out of him under Powell/Riga and not because they are better managers but they are what he knows and loves. My opinion mixed with a fact, he was blossoming under both these mangers, will he want to do it a 3rd time, it would be a risk for him Opinion, who knows he loved Powell/Riga, why would it be a risk , managers get maybe 2 season on average.
Powell introduced him to Professional football and trusted him and Riga played a style he likes and also trusted him. Disagree with this? Agree with the Powell bit, but how the hell do we know Riga played a style he liked, again what if his new team changed styles?
Think we've played this totally wrong, RD's spreadsheet doesn't factor in stuff like this, and it never can. This bit is debatable and down to your opinion, granted, but forums are for opinions.
Opinion
FWIW - IMHO, DP was never going to stay anyway even if Powell was still manager. He's been tempted by the big money. If he was one of my kids, I'd tell him to go where the biggest pay cheque is, he may break his legs next season...!
This is the point that is often sorely missed by football fans, and understandably so...love is blind after all.
Footballers are people too. Most people don't work in an industry where thousands of people have a love and a passion for their employees. I doubt there are very few people on here that would stay at their current employers when they are offered twice their current wage for the same job at a different company.
Diego needs/needed security and his pathway paved, under an untried manager and a team that no-one knows what it looks like, progressing isn't easy. We could have got another year out of him under Powell/Riga and not because they are better managers but they are what he knows and loves, Powell introduced him to Professional football and trusted him and Riga played a style he likes and also trusted him. Think we've played this totally wrong, RD's spreadsheet doesn't factor in stuff like this, and it never can
How do you know all this, do you work for the club/do you know Poyet, or are you guessing?
How do I know what? That Diego needs/needed security? He's a young professional footballer with a huge future ahead of him if he plays his cards rights, he also has some great mentors around him in his dad and friends and I'm sure his agent.
Would you not want security in knowing what you are signing a contract for? If your company released everyone around you, including two of your managers, one of which got you the job you had essentially, and one of your biggest mentors who got you through your days at work, would you be happy to sign on the dotted line or would you feel safer listening to offers coming from elsewhere? Honest answer?
No, all of it, everything that you wrote that I quoted, all of it as I wrote from the beginning to RD s spreadsheet. I would say you are making assumptions.
Diego needs/needed security and his pathway paved, under an untried manager and a team that no-one knows what it looks like, progressing isn't easy. Do you disagree?Fair point but when he moves, what if that manager moves on?
We could have got another year out of him under Powell/Riga and not because they are better managers but they are what he knows and loves. My opinion mixed with a fact, he was blossoming under both these mangers, will he want to do it a 3rd time, it would be a risk for him Opinion, who knows he loved Powell/Riga, why would it be a risk , managers get maybe 2 season on average.
Powell introduced him to Professional football and trusted him and Riga played a style he likes and also trusted him. Disagree with this? Agree with the Powell bit, but how the hell do we know Riga played a style he liked, again what if his new team changed styles?
Think we've played this totally wrong, RD's spreadsheet doesn't factor in stuff like this, and it never can. This bit is debatable and down to your opinion, granted, but forums are for opinions.
Opinion
FWIW - IMHO, DP was never going to stay anyway even if Powell was still manager. He's been tempted by the big money. If he was one of my kids, I'd tell him to go where the biggest pay cheque is, he may break his legs next season...!
You're picking up on my posts and I am responding to what you are saying, and you're not answering. And speaking to Diego once, and from what I have heard, I think your big money shout is far from the truth, and also from what KM has said. But thats your opinion, so don't bite at me for mine, hey?
I did answer your post you just need to look at the bits in bold. If you were gong to leave a club that gave you your chance you wouldn't say 'yes its been great but I'm pissing off cos I want loads of money'. 'Footballer in says one thing to a fan and does the other shock'
Spoke to an ex premier league manager about Poyet and he was saying he is better of staying where he is for another year or two because he won't get in the first team at a premier league club right now based upon what he has seen and gain more experience rather than play in the reserves. Come on Diego sign up for a couple more years
Spoke to an ex premier league manager about Poyet and he was saying he is better of staying where he is for another year or two because he won't get in the first team at a premier league club right now based upon what he has seen and gain more experience rather than play in the reserves. Come on Diego sign up for a couple more years
Don't believe we need an ex prem manager to tell us that, ct.
Guessing that his thoughts mirror those of the majority of Addicks .
Diego needs/needed security and his pathway paved, under an untried manager and a team that no-one knows what it looks like, progressing isn't easy. We could have got another year out of him under Powell/Riga and not because they are better managers but they are what he knows and loves, Powell introduced him to Professional football and trusted him and Riga played a style he likes and also trusted him. Think we've played this totally wrong, RD's spreadsheet doesn't factor in stuff like this, and it never can
How do you know all this, do you work for the club/do you know Poyet, or are you guessing?
How do I know what? That Diego needs/needed security? He's a young professional footballer with a huge future ahead of him if he plays his cards rights, he also has some great mentors around him in his dad and friends and I'm sure his agent.
Would you not want security in knowing what you are signing a contract for? If your company released everyone around you, including two of your managers, one of which got you the job you had essentially, and one of your biggest mentors who got you through your days at work, would you be happy to sign on the dotted line or would you feel safer listening to offers coming from elsewhere? Honest answer?
I think the best thing for him would be a mid table prem club.. or maybe even slightly higher like Southampton! They promote youth and will need to bring a few in.. This would mean he may not be a starter at the beginning of the year but won't be so far down the pecking order he won't get a look in! Over the course of a season he's bound to get games through injury rotation or whatever and if he's as good as we all think he is then he will cement his place! And he'd still be on double what we could pay him!
I think a lot of us feel that with the right nuturing and experience, Diego can become a fantastic Premier League - potentially even play for England.
However, looking at the current England team there are a number of players who are in that side NOW who are a similar age as Diego (Barkley, Sterling, Oxlade Chamberlain, John Stones to name a few).
Now, its all well and good saying "Diego should stay at Charlton and develop as he won't do much going up a level". I disagree. Poyet may be looking at those players and thinking "If they are getting to that stage at this level of their career, then why should I stick around and be forced to play catch up".
If I were Diego (and therefore not a Charlton fan), I wouldn't give it a second thought. My eye would be on the Premier League and little else. His talent is too good to be wasted at a bottom half Championship side which currently isn't showing great potential.
I think a lot of us feel that with the right nuturing and experience, Diego can become a fantastic Premier League - potentially even play for England.
However, looking at the current England team there are a number of players who are in that side NOW who are a similar age as Diego (Barkley, Sterling, Oxlade Chamberlain, John Stones to name a few).
Now, its all well and good saying "Diego should stay at Charlton and develop as he won't do much going up a level". I disagree. Poyet may be looking at those players and thinking "If they are getting to that stage at this level of their career, then why should I stick around and be forced to play catch up".
If I were Diego (and therefore not a Charlton fan), I wouldn't give it a second thought. My eye would be on the Premier League and little else. His talent is too good to be wasted at a bottom half Championship side which currently isn't showing great potential.
It doesn't sound nice, but thats what it is.
I know what you are saying , but for every player you have mentioned the likes of Josh McEachran or John Bostock have not benefited from being at a big club. Bostock has now gone to Belgium to rebuild his career whereas McEachran seems further away from a Chelsea first team place or an England call up than he did 3 years ago and has had 3 Championship loans with different clubs . Surely it would be better to stay with the same team ? Lets wait and see what happens. My hunch is that he is off.
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After Diego and every other young player leaves cafc will still be here because of Rd and that's good enough for me for now
Would you not want security in knowing what you are signing a contract for? If your company released everyone around you, including two of your managers, one of which got you the job you had essentially, and one of your biggest mentors who got you through your days at work, would you be happy to sign on the dotted line or would you feel safer listening to offers coming from elsewhere? Honest answer?
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If my boss had been sacked because he very clearly fell out with the MD and the sales figures were really bad then I would understand.
If the next Manager was an Interim just to strengthen the business and see us through year end then I would understand when he came to the end of that job.
If a number of my colleagues got let go after demanding more money than they had been on then I would understand.
But I would still see if I could get a better job elsewhere regardless of who my boss was.
If he had some one would have leaked a snippet.
We could have got another year out of him under Powell/Riga and not because they are better managers but they are what he knows and loves. My opinion mixed with a fact, he was blossoming under both these mangers, will he want to do it a 3rd time, it would be a risk for him
Powell introduced him to Professional football and trusted him and Riga played a style he likes and also trusted him. Disagree with this?
Think we've played this totally wrong, RD's spreadsheet doesn't factor in stuff like this, and it never can. This bit is debatable and down to your opinion, granted, but forums are for opinions.
FWIW - IMHO, DP was never going to stay anyway even if Powell was still manager. He's been tempted by the big money. If he was one of my kids, I'd tell him to go where the biggest pay cheque is, he may break his legs next season...!
Footballers are people too. Most people don't work in an industry where thousands of people have a love and a passion for their employees. I doubt there are very few people on here that would stay at their current employers when they are offered twice their current wage for the same job at a different company.
'Footballer in says one thing to a fan and does the other shock'
Guessing that his thoughts mirror those of the majority of Addicks .
I've not given up on Deegs ( as SCP called him)
He KNOWS staying put makes sense .....
However, looking at the current England team there are a number of players who are in that side NOW who are a similar age as Diego (Barkley, Sterling, Oxlade Chamberlain, John Stones to name a few).
Now, its all well and good saying "Diego should stay at Charlton and develop as he won't do much going up a level". I disagree. Poyet may be looking at those players and thinking "If they are getting to that stage at this level of their career, then why should I stick around and be forced to play catch up".
If I were Diego (and therefore not a Charlton fan), I wouldn't give it a second thought. My eye would be on the Premier League and little else. His talent is too good to be wasted at a bottom half Championship side which currently isn't showing great potential.
It doesn't sound nice, but thats what it is.