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Why I believe we will be relegated this season

Yesterday was the type of performance we have seen all too often from this team but I agree that it is unfair to blame any one particular player.

I left yesterday as soon as the 4th official put the board up for the 4 additional minutes. It would have been hypocritical to applaud any player who may have come over to ‘thank’ the travelling support on this occasion, but I also did not want to deride the players for that performance. I actually think they tried their best, but their best is inadequate at the present time.

The game yesterday was the perfect example of why this team will go down, and to me relegation has been the obvious consequence for several months.

We miss Solly desperately, and Wiggins no longer appears to be the player he has been for the previous two seasons.We lack width in general, and Solly’s absence has meant Wilson not playing in his best position which I see as a right sided midfielder.

We have lacked creativity in midfield for the last year or so. Stephens was not the answer. Neither is Jackson playing in the centre of midfield. His legs have gone and this is why he committed the tackle that got him booked yesterday. On another day, he would have seen red and not yellow. His lack of pace lead to the tackle being mistimed.

Poyet and/or Cousins are not the answer and playing them together in the middle of the midfield is also not the answer. They both seem more comfortable playing the holding role rather than an offensive one.

We have had a very weak attack for some considerable time and losing Kermogant has only exacerbated that weakness. Most supporters were hoping that the attack was to be enhanced by a couple of decent signings during the transfer window. Players with experience of the Championship at least.

Sadly, we acquired a young Polish striker who we are told is one for next season and not this one, and a fairly experienced striker from Iran who appears fairly lightweight – and because of this is proving to be not up to the job of playing against the physical and ‘savvy’ defenders that most teams appear to have in the Championship.

Sordell came with a reputation which appears misplaced and whilst Church tries his best, he has a very poor career striker rate, and does not pose any aerial threat. I have read that some see a likeness with Gary Nelson. That is an insult to Nelson who made the very most of what he had. He ran his heart out every game, and scored more frequently than Church. I also remember Nelson as being reasonable in the air.

The squad also lacks depth, and this dearth will only be accentuated over the next couple of months when injuries will take their toll on players having to turn out for three games each week.

So there you have it. I’m sure we will huff and puff over the next eight weeks, but we have to be realistic. We are not good enough, and are certainly one of the three poorest teams in the league.

As a post script, I read on another thread that there was criticism of the support being insufficiently vocal at Bramall Lane. Perhaps some posters would do well to remember that not everyone feels inclined to chant or sing at every available opportunity. That does not mean our support of Charlton is any less fervent as a result. I, for one, now in my 61st year (and 55th year of being a committed Addick) have done my fair share of singing and shouting – mainly in the seventies and eighties when I managed every match played home and away over a five year period. At this point in my life, I prefer a more passive support at matches, whilst my love of all things CAFC remains completely undiminished.
I am sure there were plenty more like me at Bramall Lane yesterday.
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  • edited March 2014
    Good post and a fair assessment imo.

    However, if that was them trying their best, then we're even more in the brown stuff than I thought.
  • edited March 2014
    I actually think they tried their best, but their best is inadequate at the present time.

    There is no way some of our players tried their best yesterday. I include standing up and being counted as part of trying your best. We had so many players under-par and bottle it that i can't agree with your statement. As someone said in another thread, it makes it hard to take because Sheff Utd were fairly shite as well.

    Poyet and/or Cousins are not the answer and playing them together in the middle of the midfield is also not the answer. They both seem more comfortable playing the holding role rather than an offensive one.

    It is if AA is played in front of them

    I’m sure we will huff and puff over the next eight weeks, but we have to be realistic. We are not good enough, and are certainly one of the three poorest teams in the league.

    agree with this though.
  • I'm positive, think we might just pull it off.
  • We always get relegated vs Blackpool. Have a bad feeling about that game at the end of the season
  • Sorry to say it but loans are still the key. If we get two in very soon we have an outside chancel what we have available at present will get relegated.
  • edited March 2014
    Mate you have done your time, you support Charlton how you damn well want and no need to apologise to anyone, let alone anyone who posts on CL, which let's face it is one of the biggest collections of misfits with divergent points of view on the web. I think you have summed up the playing side this year very succinctly and may I add have dodged a bullet by not bringing management style, competence and inept ownership of the club into it on this board.

    I have you right, we are down.
  • A minimum of 4 points from the next 2 games and we may just have a chance problem is that to win games you have to score goals and if we play to the same tactics as yesterday I cant see where the goals are coming from.
  • edited March 2014
    SHG chatted about this after the god awful show yesterday the point is we need three players who are MATCH fit and can come straight into the side--------------------its to late now ! 3 players who are on the fringe of teams who wont be fit , wont be inthe side for 3 weeks its to late--------------------------the RD knows best------no doubt there is some top notch rejects from Andora on the way to save us.

    Down already.
  • Great post ISSP. I pretty much agree.

    We were barely good enough last season & Fuller's & Haynes' goals were probably worth at least 10 points to us.

    We let them go without a decent replacement.

    Solly is probably worth at least 6 points a season at a guess (probably more).

    I know we ended up about 9th, but that was due, to a great end of season run, beating teams, that had already, packed it in for the season.

    Knock, say 16 points off last season's total & you are serious relegation candidates.

    You're teetering on the brink.

    Then in January you sell your one decent striker & a midfielder who has been your best player this season.

    It should only lead to one conclusion - relegation.

  • Good fair post...but don't throw in the towel just yet.

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  • If the fans start believing that the worst will happen then this negativity will carry across to the players .. for my part at the few remaining away games I'll be going to, I will be supporting, cheering and encouraging to the end despite my innermost doubts and fears
  • My heart says we will survive but my head says we won't . We are Charlton after all . Win on Wednesday and avoid defeat at the toolbox then who knows.
  • Yesterday was the type of performance we have seen all too often from this team but I agree that it is unfair to blame any one particular player.

    I left yesterday as soon as the 4th official put the board up for the 4 additional minutes. It would have been hypocritical to applaud any player who may have come over to ‘thank’ the travelling support on this occasion, but I also did not want to deride the players for that performance. I actually think they tried their best, but their best is inadequate at the present time.

    The game yesterday was the perfect example of why this team will go down, and to me relegation has been the obvious consequence for several months.

    We miss Solly desperately, and Wiggins no longer appears to be the player he has been for the previous two seasons.We lack width in general, and Solly’s absence has meant Wilson not playing in his best position which I see as a right sided midfielder.

    We have lacked creativity in midfield for the last year or so. Stephens was not the answer. Neither is Jackson playing in the centre of midfield. His legs have gone and this is why he committed the tackle that got him booked yesterday. On another day, he would have seen red and not yellow. His lack of pace lead to the tackle being mistimed.

    Poyet and/or Cousins are not the answer and playing them together in the middle of the midfield is also not the answer. They both seem more comfortable playing the holding role rather than an offensive one.

    We have had a very weak attack for some considerable time and losing Kermogant has only exacerbated that weakness. Most supporters were hoping that the attack was to be enhanced by a couple of decent signings during the transfer window. Players with experience of the Championship at least.

    Sadly, we acquired a young Polish striker who we are told is one for next season and not this one, and a fairly experienced striker from Iran who appears fairly lightweight – and because of this is proving to be not up to the job of playing against the physical and ‘savvy’ defenders that most teams appear to have in the Championship.

    Sordell came with a reputation which appears misplaced and whilst Church tries his best, he has a very poor career striker rate, and does not pose any aerial threat. I have read that some see a likeness with Gary Nelson. That is an insult to Nelson who made the very most of what he had. He ran his heart out every game, and scored more frequently than Church. I also remember Nelson as being reasonable in the air.

    The squad also lacks depth, and this dearth will only be accentuated over the next couple of months when injuries will take their toll on players having to turn out for three games each week.

    So there you have it. I’m sure we will huff and puff over the next eight weeks, but we have to be realistic. We are not good enough, and are certainly one of the three poorest teams in the league.

    As a post script, I read on another thread that there was criticism of the support being insufficiently vocal at Bramall Lane. Perhaps some posters would do well to remember that not everyone feels inclined to chant or sing at every available opportunity. That does not mean our support of Charlton is any less fervent as a result. I, for one, now in my 61st year (and 55th year of being a committed Addick) have done my fair share of singing and shouting – mainly in the seventies and eighties when I managed every match played home and away over a five year period. At this point in my life, I prefer a more passive support at matches, whilst my love of all things CAFC remains completely undiminished.
    I am sure there were plenty more like me at Bramall Lane yesterday.

    Good post but would have been a lot easier to just say "because we're shit"
  • If the fans start believing that the worst will happen then this negativity will carry across to the players .. for my part at the few remaining away games I'll be going to, I will be supporting, cheering and encouraging to the end despite my innermost doubts and fears

    Are you suggesting it hasn't already? Blimey after watching that dross yesterday I would hate to think how much worse it can get.
  • Has the optimism of post-QPR been completely lost? I hope the players have picked themselves up faster than the fans have.

    It's not over and I doubt people here really think that or I doubt we'd have 2000+ at Milwall. The cup was a nice distraction and hopefully has earned us a few extra quid. The players should not have been under any illusion that it was more important than staying in the league because it wasn't, it was a chance for a day out at Wembley that's all.

    Yesterday hasn't effected our chances of staying in this league unless we have the defeated attitude I have witnessed on here today.

    Down already? Well keep your negativity away and give your ticket to someone who believes. Win Wednesday and we'd be 1 point from safety with 3 games in hand.

    Yesterday was disappointing, we've all lost out on that great day out at Wembley, that's all. We continue on Wednesday with the key prize all to play for.
  • Couldn't we have saved this thread until next Monday!
  • Lurker said:

    Has the optimism of post-QPR been completely lost? I hope the players have picked themselves up faster than the fans have.

    It's not over and I doubt people here really think that or I doubt we'd have 2000+ at Milwall. The cup was a nice distraction and hopefully has earned us a few extra quid. The players should not have been under any illusion that it was more important than staying in the league because it wasn't, it was a chance for a day out at Wembley that's all.

    Yesterday hasn't effected our chances of staying in this league unless we have the defeated attitude I have witnessed on here today.

    Down already? Well keep your negativity away and give your ticket to someone who believes. Win Wednesday and we'd be 1 point from safety with 3 games in hand.
    Yesterday was disappointing, we've all lost out on that great day out at Wembley, that's all. We continue on Wednesday with the key prize all to play for.

    Its a full programme this week, not just us and Huddersfield playing. We could win and still be 4 points from safety?
  • Couldn't we have saved this thread until next Monday!

    Don't worry, there's no shortage.
  • Lurker said:

    Has the optimism of post-QPR been completely lost? I hope the players have picked themselves up faster than the fans have.

    It's not over and I doubt people here really think that or I doubt we'd have 2000+ at Milwall. The cup was a nice distraction and hopefully has earned us a few extra quid. The players should not have been under any illusion that it was more important than staying in the league because it wasn't, it was a chance for a day out at Wembley that's all.

    Yesterday hasn't effected our chances of staying in this league unless we have the defeated attitude I have witnessed on here today.

    Down already? Well keep your negativity away and give your ticket to someone who believes. Win Wednesday and we'd be 1 point from safety with 3 games in hand.
    Yesterday was disappointing, we've all lost out on that great day out at Wembley, that's all. We continue on Wednesday with the key prize all to play for.

    Its a full programme this week, not just us and Huddersfield playing. We could win and still be 4 points from safety?
    Or we could win, be 1 point from safety with 4 (FOUR) games in hand.

    I am confident our season will turn around on Wednesday when we beat Huddersfield. Law of averages says we have to beat Millwall sometime so why not Saturday.

    Then we could be 2 points clear of the bottom 3 with 4 (FOUR) games in hand. Wouln't look quite so grim then.
  • Time for people to face up to the truth on this board. We are simply not good enough, there is no chance of us staying up, we have a team that cannot score, a manager that is tactically lacking, this was proven yesterday with the starting 11 and then compounded further with the substitutions. What also makes the problem worse is that it is all kicking off behind the scenes and i believe that was evident in the players performance and body language yesterday.
    We now have a guy in charge who has no idea how tough this league is and you cannot just chuck a few fringe players over from teams in his portfolio to make up the numbers and hopefully will keep us afloat.
    With three players turning us down in the last two weeks for loan moves after clubs had agreed with Charlton would ring alarm bells.
    Facts are players talk to each other and they know how bad it is down here and will hang around for another option.
    That team showed no passion, hunger or desire to win that game yesterday. There was no Plan B or C and is a day that i will never forget for the wrong reasons. They have let alot of people down and there is no way in a million years that Powell will be able to pick that team up and get them going again for Wednesday and then for the match Saturday in which are both must win games.
    What also will be interesting is how the fans will react on Wednesday, i think the players were shaken by the reaction of the fans after the game although i never experienced it myself as for the first time in the years i have been taken my 8 year old he wanted to leave the game early as he was so upset.
    To cap it all i dont think we will bounce straight back up when we relegated this season, and we are in for a long few hard years.
    I know i will be slagged off for this post for being negative blah,blah,blah but the facts are we need to live in the real world and what is evident we are a very poor team, whose confidence is at rock bottom and in terms of the future we have players whose contracts will run out at the end of the season.
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  • We'll stay up, gut says so.
  • Very good posting. I agree with almost all of it. I would also say we have missed Cort in the middle. Morrison is our best centre half, Wood seems to be getting worse, they don't seem to gel now. Try Dervite?. The striker issue is what has ruined us. Sordell and Church, div one at best (I agree church tries). Kermorgant was injured and took time to get going...now sold. Pigot, is league one. Why he does not play reza at the start baffles me and for pete's sake, play the Pole...we have nothing to lose.
    But yes, our 'catch up games' I feel will decide our fate. We have to win all, just to catch up.
    If we survive, changes will have to be made as I think this is one of the worst season's we ever have had.
    Wouldn't even be able to predict the Huddersfield score...not sure what team will turn up!!1
  • We'll stay up, gut says so.

    If the team and management stay as it is no chance.
  • Well, we still have a chance but sadly I'm preparing myself for League One and I think I'm a glass half full sort. Big week for us really, anything less than 4 points and it's going to be tough. I think rather than the club getting a lift from new owners, the uncertainty over......well everything, runs deep within the club. I am a Powell supporter but I think there will be a massive clearout next season from top to bottom, where that leaves us scares me more than getting relegated. The thing is we seem to be getting a dodgy owner who isn't even bothered about moving us forward with regards to success on the pitch. I'm not saying I want Vincent Tan, I don't, but I also don't want to feel no affinity to my club who are now sitting in League One.
  • Lurker said:

    Has the optimism of post-QPR been completely lost? I hope the players have picked themselves up faster than the fans have.

    It's not over and I doubt people here really think that or I doubt we'd have 2000+ at Milwall. The cup was a nice distraction and hopefully has earned us a few extra quid. The players should not have been under any illusion that it was more important than staying in the league because it wasn't, it was a chance for a day out at Wembley that's all.

    Yesterday hasn't effected our chances of staying in this league unless we have the defeated attitude I have witnessed on here today.

    Down already? Well keep your negativity away and give your ticket to someone who believes. Win Wednesday and we'd be 1 point from safety with 3 games in hand.
    Yesterday was disappointing, we've all lost out on that great day out at Wembley, that's all. We continue on Wednesday with the key prize all to play for.

    Its a full programme this week, not just us and Huddersfield playing. We could win and still be 4 points from safety?
    Or we could win, be 1 point from safety with 4 (FOUR) games in hand.

    I am confident our season will turn around on Wednesday when we beat Huddersfield. Law of averages says we have to beat Millwall sometime so why not Saturday.

    Then we could be 2 points clear of the bottom 3 with 4 (FOUR) games in hand. Wouln't look quite so grim then.
    I'd like a pint of what you're on please.
    I'm all for optimism but where charlton's league season is concerned there isn't a cell of adequacy from which to clone the ability to get probably 25 points from 16 matches - that's a 74% improvement on what's been achieved so far - with an ever weakening squad
  • At the moment we are going down because from 30 league games, we've scored 24 goals.

    0.8 goals per game.

    So if we keep that up, our fans will have cheered a total of 37 times in the league over 9 months.

    Is it any wonder we are so f*cking miserable.
  • edited March 2014
    The simple fact that we can't score goals means that we will almost certainly be relegated. Something amazing is going to have to change to give us any chance at all. There are quite simply not enough goals in this team.
  • At the moment we are going down because from 30 league games, we've scored 24 goals.

    0.8 goals per game.

    So if we keep that up, our fans will have cheered a total of 37 times in the league over 9 months.

    Is it any wonder we are so f*cking miserable.

    And 11 of those goals were scored by players who are no longer here.
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