I think this can be seen as a positive statement for the owner, as well as an honest and important one by Chris Powell, since it makes clear that an acceptable financial deal is on the table and RD is not using the contract situation to drive Chris out.
I do have concerns about whether an agreement will be reached and what it might foreshadow if it isn't, because I don't believe it's about investment per se.
Can't see RD appreciating a leak like this from Powell. Pretty undermining, even if it is the truth.
But is it a 'leak' or a straight forward answer to a question?
Today is press day and. following the recent RD press conference, he was bound to be asked how things were going with his contract talks - after the glowing words from RD. And he may even have been asked directly whether the delay was due to financial terms or 'football' matters.
If he was to avoid a 'leak' in your terms he would have needed to give a cryptic answer like 'Talks are ongoing' - which would probably have generated even more speculation.
So his reported answer " "We've agreed all the financial side of the contract - that didn't take long - but we have to agree the football side, players and recruitment moving forward. That's where we are at." seems pretty uncontroversial to me - and moreover I expect it is the truth.
Can't see RD appreciating a leak like this from Powell. Pretty undermining, even if it is the truth.
But is it a 'leak' or a straight forward answer to a question?
Today is press day and. following the recent RD press conference, he was bound to be asked how things were going with his contract talks - after the glowing words from RD. And he may even have been asked directly whether the delay was due to financial terms or 'football' matters.
If he was to avoid a 'leak' in your terms he would have needed to give a cryptic answer like 'Talks are ongoing' - which would probably have generated even more speculation.
So his reported answer " "We've agreed all the financial side of the contract - that didn't take long - but we have to agree the football side, players and recruitment moving forward. That's where we are at." seems pretty uncontroversial to me - and moreover I expect it is the truth.
Just because its the truth doesn't mean he should be telling journalists before the contracts talks are finished.
Powell must know that the footballing side is a very contentious subject among the fans of the club and has made things worse thanks to this interview, as its hinting they aren't agreed on that side of the contract talks. RD cannot be happy that Powell would give fans more ammunition to turn against him only a few weeks into his ownership.
Can't see RD appreciating a leak like this from Powell. Pretty undermining, even if it is the truth.
But is it a 'leak' or a straight forward answer to a question?
Today is press day and. following the recent RD press conference, he was bound to be asked how things were going with his contract talks - after the glowing words from RD. And he may even have been asked directly whether the delay was due to financial terms or 'football' matters.
If he was to avoid a 'leak' in your terms he would have needed to give a cryptic answer like 'Talks are ongoing' - which would probably have generated even more speculation.
So his reported answer " "We've agreed all the financial side of the contract - that didn't take long - but we have to agree the football side, players and recruitment moving forward. That's where we are at." seems pretty uncontroversial to me - and moreover I expect it is the truth.
I think this sounds a realistic assessment - You don't really make this sort of point unless the talks have broken down IMO. I would imagine Chrissy would need to speak to seperate people in relation to the personal terms and footbal terms so may not have met that person yet. It doesn't necessarily mean he has an expectation of this being a stumbling block!
A signing's got to earn his right to be in the starting xi like everyone else. Remember when people were put in the first team straight away and kept there even though they were gash? Yeah, Alan Pardew was our manager then.
Fuller was quality and it was only finances that meant he didn't stay here. The fact he was 3rd choice was more down to his age more than anything else
I sort of disagree. there are two reasons for bringing players in:-
1. To strengthen the depth of squad and I agree with you in this instance they should earn their place as they may be offering nothing better than what already exists, but provide cover and competition for the incumbent.
2. To strengthen the starting 11 an they should be "parachuted" into the first team to add quality / strength to the the team. As a club given that we have come from a lower league and have a lower league squad -- arguably, we should (when funds are available) be strengthening the starting 11 and the new players should be in a position where there starting role is there for them to lose. I believe that this was the case with Sordell who started the season, although I would argue he was never given enough time, but that is another discussion. I particularly believe this should be the case with loanees who should only be brought in if they can strengthen the starting 11.
Can't see RD appreciating a leak like this from Powell. Pretty undermining, even if it is the truth.
But is it a 'leak' or a straight forward answer to a question?
Today is press day and. following the recent RD press conference, he was bound to be asked how things were going with his contract talks - after the glowing words from RD. And he may even have been asked directly whether the delay was due to financial terms or 'football' matters.
If he was to avoid a 'leak' in your terms he would have needed to give a cryptic answer like 'Talks are ongoing' - which would probably have generated even more speculation.
So his reported answer " "We've agreed all the financial side of the contract - that didn't take long - but we have to agree the football side, players and recruitment moving forward. That's where we are at." seems pretty uncontroversial to me - and moreover I expect it is the truth.
I think this sounds a realistic assessment - You don't really make this sort of point unless the talks have broken down IMO. I would imagine Chrissy would need to speak to seperate people in relation to the personal terms and footbal terms so may not have met that person yet. It doesn't necessarily mean he has an expectation of this being a stumbling block!
But this quote appeared long before today's press conference.
Cawley might well have asked the question via phone or at the Training Ground earlier but it's not on the OS twitter of the presser.
Could all be nothing and CP is just telling us what is happening.
I think this can be seen as a positive statement for the owner, as well as an honest and important one by Chris Powell, since it makes clear that an acceptable financial deal is on the table and RD is not using the contract situation to drive Chris out.
I do have concerns about whether an agreement will be reached and what it might foreshadow if it isn't, because I don't believe it's about investment per se.
What do you think it is about then Airman?
I think fundamentally it goes back to the question of who chose the six players who arrived in January and concerns how future signings will be chosen and what input Chris will have.
I think this can be seen as a positive statement for the owner, as well as an honest and important one by Chris Powell, since it makes clear that an acceptable financial deal is on the table and RD is not using the contract situation to drive Chris out.
I do have concerns about whether an agreement will be reached and what it might foreshadow if it isn't, because I don't believe it's about investment per se.
What do you think it is about then Airman?
I think fundamentally it goes back to the question of who chose the six players who arrived in January and concerns how future signings will be chosen and what input Chris will have.
The difference between a coach and a manager perhaps?
Many, many players are out of contract over the summer - I expect CP would want to know who might stay (assuming terms can be agreed) and what might be the calibre of replacements.
If it is for footballing reasons then IMO many of us won't be here next season.
So you're a part time fan then? I thought we supported the club not the individuals in it. Come hell or high water.
This isn't about the individuals in the club. This is about the principle of a manger having the autonomy to manage.
If Powell leaves for football reasons then this will affirm that the club is not likely to aspire to potential football achievements.
This will also add to the concept being suggested that we will be in existence as a feeder club instead of being in charge of our own destiny.
I sincerely hope that RD is not pulling the wool over our eyes and that everything works out ok, but I am dubious at the moment because his actions shout louder than his rhetoric.
I will be happy if I have no reason not to renew, but am not going to follow RD with my head in the sand.
The problem with CP's recruitment is that he very rarely, if ever brings someone in who a) goes straight into the starting XI and b) improves the side, the summer 2012 clearout excepted.
Stewart came in but had one decent game in six (at best), Fuller was 3rd striker when Yann & Haynes were fit. Is AA or Tudgay 2st choice in a 4-4-2? I'd say not. Sordell came with a £3m price tag and despite failing to impress he didn't go straight into side.
2012 excepted? So the only time he has actually been able to bring in the players he truly wanted? If anything, 2012 proved that when Powell is allowed to identify the players he wants (with the support of his coaching team) and he is given financial backing to get them, he has a fantastic track record of signing players who go straight into and improve the side
It is clear that the players came in from the network but perhaps someone misjudged the ability of these players to cut it in SE7? We are fortunate to have Ajdarevic and a spare keeper...perhaps the strikers will work out - time will tell. If this network is to work then the process and quality of player acquisition has to evolve. Do we we need a group director of football or simply someone in SE7 who can make player acquisitions happen? Standard Liege have a global scouting network - take a look at their squad on their website. If Chris Powell has access to this and can state his summer requirement and then get most of it delivered then what's not to like?
It would be interesting to hear from Super Horns on how their system evolved and how long it took the group to get things right.
I think this can be seen as a positive statement for the owner, as well as an honest and important one by Chris Powell, since it makes clear that an acceptable financial deal is on the table and RD is not using the contract situation to drive Chris out.
I do have concerns about whether an agreement will be reached and what it might foreshadow if it isn't, because I don't believe it's about investment per se.
What do you think it is about then Airman?
I think fundamentally it goes back to the question of who chose the six players who arrived in January and concerns how future signings will be chosen and what input Chris will have.
I reckon it went like this
RD: Chrissy my boy, I've just done the best part of £20M, can't you just take 6 players from around the network for now and we'll sort some bunce for the summer signings
CP: OK I want this one, this one, these two, that one & him BUT Remember, I want more new ones in the summer
RD: Of course my son, call me in March and we'll get it sorted
CP: I'll hold you to that!
So I reckon it's just a public reminder from Powelly to Roly
Has anyone thought out of the box such that not only players could move within RD's set up........but managers as well. CP to manage Liege in the champions league perhaps....now that's conspiracy theory!
This is good news for charlton. If CP was just concerned about himself he would sign the contract and be protected if he got sacked.
He clearly wants to make sure 1. If we stay up he has funds enough to push on or 2. If we are relegated players are not sold off on the cheap.
To me he should be applauded for again thinking about us more than himself
Mmm can't see that as he is a man of (footballing) business and not a Saint and I have no issues at all for him to protect his own personal situation and current and future ability to put much bread on his family's table.
If it is for footballing reasons then IMO many of us won't be here next season.
So you're a part time fan then? I thought we supported the club not the individuals in it. Come hell or high water.
Come on ... fans stop buying season tickets or stop attending games for many reasons, be it finance, distance, or discomfort with ownership / playing style / management etc etc ... doesn't mean they're part time fans
Have to declare that I am a fan of CAFC regardless of who is the manager/coach and playing staff! So if club employees move on then I will be disappointed, pleased or relieved but then move on - I as did many others kept on turning up when Pawel, Akpo and co wore the red and will continue whether at VFR, The Peninsula or Charlton Park.
Fans drift away for many a reason - some could decide to not renew their ST because CP has left his employment whilst others could leave because his services have been retained for another season,
All about personal opinion and this season's attendances indicate that a number have said that enough is enough.
I suppose when you look at it RD owns 5 clubs for a reason. And if he is paying players who are in SLs reserves and another of his clubs needs players, it makes sense to take them from what you already have than pay somebody else for them. Of course they have to be of the required quality, but Chrissy may have got to pick, but pick from a limited list! Where he can sign players, RD is probably thinking in relation to the 5 clubs also - so up and coming players who are not ready for SLs first team can be purchased with a view to them getting to the required level with us them moving on to SL when they are ready. Players brought in or on by the lesser clubs in the structure, may be moved to us if they get to our standard. I suspect all transfers - loans and purchases will be made in the context of the 5 clubs and not one club.
So as it stands SL is at the top of the pyramid and we are next below them. Can the pyramid work with 2 clubs at the top? Can Charlton force their way to the top? I suppose these are the questions Chrissy will want to be satisfied he has answers to before he comits.
Now is the time fans of this club have to make it very very clear to the new ownership that we want CP and his team to be the ones to lead us now and in the future. We must make our voices heard here (they read this site) and on the terraces. !00% support.
No wonder we cannot bring players in when Powell is not yet signed up. Who in their right mind is going to sign for a club where the future of the manager is in doubt??
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Today is press day and. following the recent RD press conference, he was bound to be asked how things were going with his contract talks - after the glowing words from RD. And he may even have been asked directly whether the delay was due to financial terms or 'football' matters.
If he was to avoid a 'leak' in your terms he would have needed to give a cryptic answer like 'Talks are ongoing' - which would probably have generated even more speculation.
So his reported answer " "We've agreed all the financial side of the contract - that didn't take long - but we have to agree the football side, players and recruitment moving forward. That's where we are at." seems pretty uncontroversial to me - and moreover I expect it is the truth.
Powell must know that the footballing side is a very contentious subject among the fans of the club and has made things worse thanks to this interview, as its hinting they aren't agreed on that side of the contract talks. RD cannot be happy that Powell would give fans more ammunition to turn against him only a few weeks into his ownership.
1. To strengthen the depth of squad and I agree with you in this instance they should earn their place as they may be offering nothing better than what already exists, but provide cover and competition for the incumbent.
2. To strengthen the starting 11 an they should be "parachuted" into the first team to add quality / strength to the the team. As a club given that we have come from a lower league and have a lower league squad -- arguably, we should (when funds are available) be strengthening the starting 11 and the new players should be in a position where there starting role is there for them to lose. I believe that this was the case with Sordell who started the season, although I would argue he was never given enough time, but that is another discussion. I particularly believe this should be the case with loanees who should only be brought in if they can strengthen the starting 11.
Cawley might well have asked the question via phone or at the Training Ground earlier but it's not on the OS twitter of the presser.
Could all be nothing and CP is just telling us what is happening.
If Powell leaves for football reasons then this will affirm that the club is not likely to aspire to potential football achievements.
This will also add to the concept being suggested that we will be in existence as a feeder club instead of being in charge of our own destiny.
I sincerely hope that RD is not pulling the wool over our eyes and that everything works out ok, but I am dubious at the moment because his actions shout louder than his rhetoric.
I will be happy if I have no reason not to renew, but am not going to follow RD with my head in the sand.
Standard Liege have a global scouting network - take a look at their squad on their website. If Chris Powell has access to this and can state his summer requirement and then get most of it delivered then what's not to like?
It would be interesting to hear from Super Horns on how their system evolved and how long it took the group to get things right.
RD: Chrissy my boy, I've just done the best part of £20M, can't you just take 6 players from around the network for now and we'll sort some bunce for the summer signings
CP: OK I want this one, this one, these two, that one & him
BUT Remember, I want more new ones in the summer
RD: Of course my son, call me in March and we'll get it sorted
CP: I'll hold you to that!
So I reckon it's just a public reminder from Powelly to Roly
We will know what's what come June!
Spot on ShootersHillGuru.
Fans drift away for many a reason - some could decide to not renew their ST because CP has left his employment whilst others could leave because his services have been retained for another season,
All about personal opinion and this season's attendances indicate that a number have said that enough is enough.
So as it stands SL is at the top of the pyramid and we are next below them. Can the pyramid work with 2 clubs at the top? Can Charlton force their way to the top? I suppose these are the questions Chrissy will want to be satisfied he has answers to before he comits.