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  • LuckyReds said:

    Number 4 ... http://www.inthestands.co.uk/top-10-of-the-week/top-10-of-the-week-sex-scandals-nsfw.html

    Wonder if it links back to that in any shape or form. 'Kinell...

    Perhaps he could come back and teach our strikers how to score
    This is in poor taste.

  • Some things are more important than football. Hope things turn around. Best wishes to Ben and his family.
  • Didn't Katrien or was it CP who hinted that Ben was keen to leave because of a medical issue at the VIP Q&A at the Valley?

    Quote from Henry's notes:

    "Q: What happened with Ben Alnwick? CP Agent was pushing for a new deal, wanted a quick answers (KM "Hours") Decided to take another option I was surprised. "I think he is ill, don't know the in's and outs"."
  • edited March 2014

    LuckyReds said:

    Number 4 ... http://www.inthestands.co.uk/top-10-of-the-week/top-10-of-the-week-sex-scandals-nsfw.html

    Wonder if it links back to that in any shape or form. 'Kinell...

    Perhaps he could come back and teach our strikers how to score
    This is in poor taste.
    Mild, especially considering comments in other threads (notably about the Malaysian air disaster), but point taken.

    Apologies but I thought this was the thread where I had previously expressed my best wishes towards Ben, but if I recall correctly that thread was closed due to precisely the kind of speculation that's been deleted in this thread.

    It goes without saying (again) that Ben was a model pro during his stint at CAFC and a very talented footballer too.

    However, I politely suggest that if you were offended by that then you look elsewhere. I don't see my comments anywhere near the bar set by other threads, and I actually think that drudging up the poor guys past and insinuating they could be linked is both more personal and more disrespectful.

    At the point I posted, prior to deletions, that's precisely the avenue the discussion appeared to be going.

    Good luck Ben.
  • Whatever it is, it doesn't sound good.

    Best of luck Ben. I'm not sure if there is anything the club could/would do to help, but then again I guess it depends on what the problem actually is.
  • alangee said:

    Didn't Katrien or was it CP who hinted that Ben was keen to leave because of a medical issue at the VIP Q&A at the Valley?

    Quote from Henry's notes:

    "Q: What happened with Ben Alnwick? CP Agent was pushing for a new deal, wanted a quick answers (KM "Hours") Decided to take another option I was surprised. "I think he is ill, don't know the in's and outs"."


    So his agent knew he was ill/there was a big problem with him, but was pushing our owners for a new deal?
  • That is certainly not what CP or KM said at the meeting.

    CP explained that BAs agent was pressing for a deal. He then went on to say he didn't know why Ben wasn't playing saying "I think he is ill, don't know the in's and outs"

    Whether Ben or the Agent knew about the situation at that time or only after the move to Orient I don't know but CP and KM certainly never said or implied that that was the case.
  • That is certainly not what CP or KM said at the meeting.

    CP explained that BAs agent was pressing for a deal. He then went on to say he didn't know why Ben wasn't playing saying "I think he is ill, don't know the in's and outs"

    Whether Ben or the Agent knew about the situation at that time or only after the move to Orient I don't know but CP and KM certainly never said or implied that that was the case.

    BUT someone might have mentioned something along these lines at the wink wink, nudge nudge Trust meeting in the City.
  • That is certainly not what CP or KM said at the meeting.

    CP explained that BAs agent was pressing for a deal. He then went on to say he didn't know why Ben wasn't playing saying "I think he is ill, don't know the in's and outs"

    Whether Ben or the Agent knew about the situation at that time or only after the move to Orient I don't know but CP and KM certainly never said or implied that that was the case.

    I know our board have form for accepting offers for our best players, but the fact that he was unnecessarily sold suggests to me that maybe they do/did know what was happening.
  • cafctom said:

    That is certainly not what CP or KM said at the meeting.

    CP explained that BAs agent was pressing for a deal. He then went on to say he didn't know why Ben wasn't playing saying "I think he is ill, don't know the in's and outs"

    Whether Ben or the Agent knew about the situation at that time or only after the move to Orient I don't know but CP and KM certainly never said or implied that that was the case.

    I know our board have form for accepting offers for our best players, but the fact that he was unnecessarily sold suggests to me that maybe they do/did know what was happening.
    Possibly but that wasn't what was said at the VIP meeting.

    I'm Jordan's Cousins is suggesting that something might have been said at the Trust meeting but not sure the dates work for that one.
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  • That is certainly not what CP or KM said at the meeting.

    CP explained that BAs agent was pressing for a deal. He then went on to say he didn't know why Ben wasn't playing saying "I think he is ill, don't know the in's and outs"

    Whether Ben or the Agent knew about the situation at that time or only after the move to Orient I don't know but CP and KM certainly never said or implied that that was the case.

    Besides, with all due respect, I would imagine any employee or his agent/representative to look to secure a deal asap if they knew of something that might affect it.

    The same is true of many transactions. I have lost count of the number of people that have told me they are selling their car because something expensive is about to go wrong and they are hoping that the buyer won't realise. I have no issue with Ben or his Agent looking to secure a deal, besides it's also possible that he just didn't want the last transfer window, before his contract finished, to close with him having nothing secured long term.

    Either way I have no interest in speculating what Ben's personal issue is, nor if he attempted to secure himself some financial security before it became public. I just wish him all the best with whatever it is that he is facing.
  • cafctom said:

    That is certainly not what CP or KM said at the meeting.

    CP explained that BAs agent was pressing for a deal. He then went on to say he didn't know why Ben wasn't playing saying "I think he is ill, don't know the in's and outs"

    Whether Ben or the Agent knew about the situation at that time or only after the move to Orient I don't know but CP and KM certainly never said or implied that that was the case.

    I know our board have form for accepting offers for our best players, but the fact that he was unnecessarily sold suggests to me that maybe they do/did know what was happening.
    Possibly but that wasn't what was said at the VIP meeting.

    I'm Jordan's Cousins is suggesting that something might have been said at the Trust meeting but not sure the dates work for that one.
    check those dates boy-o
  • agent pressing for a new deal because of this, he's honestly doing his job and trying to protect his client. Obviously the club would probably find a way out of the contract when the health issues became apparent but it would give him an income whilst he was ill.
  • cafctom said:

    That is certainly not what CP or KM said at the meeting.

    CP explained that BAs agent was pressing for a deal. He then went on to say he didn't know why Ben wasn't playing saying "I think he is ill, don't know the in's and outs"

    Whether Ben or the Agent knew about the situation at that time or only after the move to Orient I don't know but CP and KM certainly never said or implied that that was the case.

    I know our board have form for accepting offers for our best players, but the fact that he was unnecessarily sold suggests to me that maybe they do/did know what was happening.
    Possibly but that wasn't what was said at the VIP meeting.

    I'm Jordan's Cousins is suggesting that something might have been said at the Trust meeting but not sure the dates work for that one.
    check those dates boy-o
    So what are you saying? Was it said that CAFC knew and wilfully sold Orient a player we knew couldn't play? Have Orient asked for the transfer fee back?
  • cafctom said:

    That is certainly not what CP or KM said at the meeting.

    CP explained that BAs agent was pressing for a deal. He then went on to say he didn't know why Ben wasn't playing saying "I think he is ill, don't know the in's and outs"

    Whether Ben or the Agent knew about the situation at that time or only after the move to Orient I don't know but CP and KM certainly never said or implied that that was the case.

    I know our board have form for accepting offers for our best players, but the fact that he was unnecessarily sold suggests to me that maybe they do/did know what was happening.
    Possibly but that wasn't what was said at the VIP meeting.

    I'm Jordan's Cousins is suggesting that something might have been said at the Trust meeting but not sure the dates work for that one.
    check those dates boy-o
    So what are you saying? Was it said that CAFC knew and wilfully sold Orient a player we knew couldn't play? Have Orient asked for the transfer fee back?
    It was said that nothing could be said, because Orient might not be too happy.

    p.s did you actually check the dates? :)
  • cafctom said:

    That is certainly not what CP or KM said at the meeting.

    CP explained that BAs agent was pressing for a deal. He then went on to say he didn't know why Ben wasn't playing saying "I think he is ill, don't know the in's and outs"

    Whether Ben or the Agent knew about the situation at that time or only after the move to Orient I don't know but CP and KM certainly never said or implied that that was the case.

    I know our board have form for accepting offers for our best players, but the fact that he was unnecessarily sold suggests to me that maybe they do/did know what was happening.
    Possibly but that wasn't what was said at the VIP meeting.

    I'm Jordan's Cousins is suggesting that something might have been said at the Trust meeting but not sure the dates work for that one.
    check those dates boy-o
    So what are you saying? Was it said that CAFC knew and wilfully sold Orient a player we knew couldn't play? Have Orient asked for the transfer fee back?
    Did we get a fee? I thought he left on a free?
  • cafctom said:

    That is certainly not what CP or KM said at the meeting.

    CP explained that BAs agent was pressing for a deal. He then went on to say he didn't know why Ben wasn't playing saying "I think he is ill, don't know the in's and outs"

    Whether Ben or the Agent knew about the situation at that time or only after the move to Orient I don't know but CP and KM certainly never said or implied that that was the case.

    I know our board have form for accepting offers for our best players, but the fact that he was unnecessarily sold suggests to me that maybe they do/did know what was happening.
    Possibly but that wasn't what was said at the VIP meeting.

    I'm Jordan's Cousins is suggesting that something might have been said at the Trust meeting but not sure the dates work for that one.
    check those dates boy-o
    So what are you saying? Was it said that CAFC knew and wilfully sold Orient a player we knew couldn't play? Have Orient asked for the transfer fee back?
    Did we get a fee? I thought he left on a free?
    Don't think is was disclosed if there was one or not

    cafctom said:

    That is certainly not what CP or KM said at the meeting.

    CP explained that BAs agent was pressing for a deal. He then went on to say he didn't know why Ben wasn't playing saying "I think he is ill, don't know the in's and outs"

    Whether Ben or the Agent knew about the situation at that time or only after the move to Orient I don't know but CP and KM certainly never said or implied that that was the case.

    I know our board have form for accepting offers for our best players, but the fact that he was unnecessarily sold suggests to me that maybe they do/did know what was happening.
    Possibly but that wasn't what was said at the VIP meeting.

    I'm Jordan's Cousins is suggesting that something might have been said at the Trust meeting but not sure the dates work for that one.
    check those dates boy-o
    So what are you saying? Was it said that CAFC knew and wilfully sold Orient a player we knew couldn't play? Have Orient asked for the transfer fee back?
    It was said that nothing could be said, because Orient might not be too happy.

    p.s did you actually check the dates? :)

    I did 14 Feb so so much later than I thought/

    Don't think that puts us in a good light at all.
  • edited March 2014
    What they said at the VIP meeting was the reason for the recruitment of Thuram was partly influenced by the fact that both goalkeepers Alnwick and Hamer were out of contract in the summer.

    They then indicated that Alnwick's agent played hard ball over a new contract and gave them 'hours' to make a decision. What I find curious about the whole affair is the speed in which it happened. Orient only needed to recruit a Keeper because Jackopovic was recalled to Hull because the Tigers goalie had been sent off the previous night ,at this point they would have been desperate and remember Alnwick did play one game for them on the Saturday.

    I was under the impression that we might have got a modest fee for him ,but what confused me was that the O's only offered him a deal until the end of the season which was the same as we had done.
  • cafctom said:

    That is certainly not what CP or KM said at the meeting.

    CP explained that BAs agent was pressing for a deal. He then went on to say he didn't know why Ben wasn't playing saying "I think he is ill, don't know the in's and outs"

    Whether Ben or the Agent knew about the situation at that time or only after the move to Orient I don't know but CP and KM certainly never said or implied that that was the case.

    I know our board have form for accepting offers for our best players, but the fact that he was unnecessarily sold suggests to me that maybe they do/did know what was happening.
    Possibly but that wasn't what was said at the VIP meeting.

    I'm Jordan's Cousins is suggesting that something might have been said at the Trust meeting but not sure the dates work for that one.
    check those dates boy-o
    So what are you saying? Was it said that CAFC knew and wilfully sold Orient a player we knew couldn't play? Have Orient asked for the transfer fee back?
    Did we get a fee? I thought he left on a free?
    Don't think is was disclosed if there was one or not

    cafctom said:

    That is certainly not what CP or KM said at the meeting.

    CP explained that BAs agent was pressing for a deal. He then went on to say he didn't know why Ben wasn't playing saying "I think he is ill, don't know the in's and outs"

    Whether Ben or the Agent knew about the situation at that time or only after the move to Orient I don't know but CP and KM certainly never said or implied that that was the case.

    I know our board have form for accepting offers for our best players, but the fact that he was unnecessarily sold suggests to me that maybe they do/did know what was happening.
    Possibly but that wasn't what was said at the VIP meeting.

    I'm Jordan's Cousins is suggesting that something might have been said at the Trust meeting but not sure the dates work for that one.
    check those dates boy-o
    So what are you saying? Was it said that CAFC knew and wilfully sold Orient a player we knew couldn't play? Have Orient asked for the transfer fee back?
    It was said that nothing could be said, because Orient might not be too happy.

    p.s did you actually check the dates? :)

    I did 14 Feb so so much later than I thought/

    Don't think that puts us in a good light at all.
    You checked the dates?! Do you not trust me?
  • cafctom said:

    That is certainly not what CP or KM said at the meeting.

    CP explained that BAs agent was pressing for a deal. He then went on to say he didn't know why Ben wasn't playing saying "I think he is ill, don't know the in's and outs"

    Whether Ben or the Agent knew about the situation at that time or only after the move to Orient I don't know but CP and KM certainly never said or implied that that was the case.

    I know our board have form for accepting offers for our best players, but the fact that he was unnecessarily sold suggests to me that maybe they do/did know what was happening.
    Possibly but that wasn't what was said at the VIP meeting.

    I'm Jordan's Cousins is suggesting that something might have been said at the Trust meeting but not sure the dates work for that one.
    check those dates boy-o
    So what are you saying? Was it said that CAFC knew and wilfully sold Orient a player we knew couldn't play? Have Orient asked for the transfer fee back?
    Did we get a fee? I thought he left on a free?
    Don't think is was disclosed if there was one or not

    cafctom said:

    That is certainly not what CP or KM said at the meeting.

    CP explained that BAs agent was pressing for a deal. He then went on to say he didn't know why Ben wasn't playing saying "I think he is ill, don't know the in's and outs"

    Whether Ben or the Agent knew about the situation at that time or only after the move to Orient I don't know but CP and KM certainly never said or implied that that was the case.

    I know our board have form for accepting offers for our best players, but the fact that he was unnecessarily sold suggests to me that maybe they do/did know what was happening.
    Possibly but that wasn't what was said at the VIP meeting.

    I'm Jordan's Cousins is suggesting that something might have been said at the Trust meeting but not sure the dates work for that one.
    check those dates boy-o
    So what are you saying? Was it said that CAFC knew and wilfully sold Orient a player we knew couldn't play? Have Orient asked for the transfer fee back?
    It was said that nothing could be said, because Orient might not be too happy.

    p.s did you actually check the dates? :)

    I did 14 Feb so so much later than I thought/

    Don't think that puts us in a good light at all.
    You checked the dates?! Do you not trust me?
    It was you who suggested I check the dates in the first place so don't get upset that I did.

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  • LuckyReds said:

    LuckyReds said:

    Number 4 ... http://www.inthestands.co.uk/top-10-of-the-week/top-10-of-the-week-sex-scandals-nsfw.html

    Wonder if it links back to that in any shape or form. 'Kinell...

    Perhaps he could come back and teach our strikers how to score
    This is in poor taste.
    Mild, especially considering comments in other threads (notably about the Malaysian air disaster), but point taken.

    Apologies but I thought this was the thread where I had previously expressed my best wishes towards Ben, but if I recall correctly that thread was closed due to precisely the kind of speculation that's been deleted in this thread.

    It goes without saying (again) that Ben was a model pro during his stint at CAFC and a very talented footballer too.

    However, I politely suggest that if you were offended by that then you look elsewhere. I don't see my comments anywhere near the bar set by other threads, and I actually think that drudging up the poor guys past and insinuating they could be linked is both more personal and more disrespectful.

    At the point I posted, prior to deletions, that's precisely the avenue the discussion appeared to be going.

    Good luck Ben.
    I had limited my comment, in relation to your original remark, as I felt that was appropriate way for me reply in the circumstances. I also separated my reply to your remark, and my response to Ben Alnwick's current situation for the same reason.

    For the avoidance of doubt I did not "drudging up the poor guys past and insinuating they could be linked", I presume that relates to comments made by others.

    Each individual has decide what is and is not appropriate. However your original remark about "teach our strikers how to score" in relation to an incident where, it was stated in the media, that a teenaged girl was allegedly the victim of a very serious crime, was in my opinion in poor taste.
  • LuckyReds said:

    LuckyReds said:

    Number 4 ... http://www.inthestands.co.uk/top-10-of-the-week/top-10-of-the-week-sex-scandals-nsfw.html

    Wonder if it links back to that in any shape or form. 'Kinell...

    Perhaps he could come back and teach our strikers how to score
    This is in poor taste.
    Mild, especially considering comments in other threads (notably about the Malaysian air disaster), but point taken.

    Apologies but I thought this was the thread where I had previously expressed my best wishes towards Ben, but if I recall correctly that thread was closed due to precisely the kind of speculation that's been deleted in this thread.

    It goes without saying (again) that Ben was a model pro during his stint at CAFC and a very talented footballer too.

    However, I politely suggest that if you were offended by that then you look elsewhere. I don't see my comments anywhere near the bar set by other threads, and I actually think that drudging up the poor guys past and insinuating they could be linked is both more personal and more disrespectful.

    At the point I posted, prior to deletions, that's precisely the avenue the discussion appeared to be going.

    Good luck Ben.
    I had limited my comment, in relation to your original remark, as I felt that was appropriate way for me reply in the circumstances. I also separated my reply to your remark, and my response to Ben Alnwick's current situation for the same reason.

    For the avoidance of doubt I did not "drudging up the poor guys past and insinuating they could be linked", I presume that relates to comments made by others.

    Each individual has decide what is and is not appropriate. However your original remark about "teach our strikers how to score" in relation to an incident where, it was stated in the media, that a teenaged girl was allegedly the victim of a very serious crime, was in my opinion in poor taste.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that what happened with that girl was deemed 'criminal'. Just inappropriate for a professional footballer to be caught doing.
  • Richard J said:

    What they said at the VIP meeting was the reason for the recruitment of Thuram was partly influenced by the fact that both goalkeepers Alnwick and Hamer were out of contract in the summer.

    Which is odd considering that Alnwick was only signed on a one year deal anyway, it's not as if Hamer and Alnwick are unique players that would be hard to replace (which isn't knocking them as keepers) and we've got Pope who's clearly highly rated, and should be good enough to be No 2 next season.
  • edited March 2014
    cafctom said:

    LuckyReds said:

    LuckyReds said:

    Number 4 ... http://www.inthestands.co.uk/top-10-of-the-week/top-10-of-the-week-sex-scandals-nsfw.html

    Wonder if it links back to that in any shape or form. 'Kinell...

    Perhaps he could come back and teach our strikers how to score
    This is in poor taste.
    Mild, especially considering comments in other threads (notably about the Malaysian air disaster), but point taken.

    Apologies but I thought this was the thread where I had previously expressed my best wishes towards Ben, but if I recall correctly that thread was closed due to precisely the kind of speculation that's been deleted in this thread.

    It goes without saying (again) that Ben was a model pro during his stint at CAFC and a very talented footballer too.

    However, I politely suggest that if you were offended by that then you look elsewhere. I don't see my comments anywhere near the bar set by other threads, and I actually think that drudging up the poor guys past and insinuating they could be linked is both more personal and more disrespectful.

    At the point I posted, prior to deletions, that's precisely the avenue the discussion appeared to be going.

    Good luck Ben.
    I had limited my comment, in relation to your original remark, as I felt that was appropriate way for me reply in the circumstances. I also separated my reply to your remark, and my response to Ben Alnwick's current situation for the same reason.

    For the avoidance of doubt I did not "drudging up the poor guys past and insinuating they could be linked", I presume that relates to comments made by others.

    Each individual has decide what is and is not appropriate. However your original remark about "teach our strikers how to score" in relation to an incident where, it was stated in the media, that a teenaged girl was allegedly the victim of a very serious crime, was in my opinion in poor taste.
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that what happened with that girl was deemed 'criminal'. Just inappropriate for a professional footballer to be caught doing.
    they filmed it, which moves into dodgy territory but she was of age and consented.
  • alangee said:

    Didn't Katrien or was it CP who hinted that Ben was keen to leave because of a medical issue at the VIP Q&A at the Valley?

    Quote from Henry's notes:

    "Q: What happened with Ben Alnwick? CP Agent was pushing for a new deal, wanted a quick answers (KM "Hours") Decided to take another option I was surprised. "I think he is ill, don't know the in's and outs"."

    He'd been signed off at Orient by the time of that question
  • edited March 2014

    LuckyReds said:

    LuckyReds said:

    Number 4 ... http://www.inthestands.co.uk/top-10-of-the-week/top-10-of-the-week-sex-scandals-nsfw.html

    Wonder if it links back to that in any shape or form. 'Kinell...

    Perhaps he could come back and teach our strikers how to score
    This is in poor taste.
    Mild, especially considering comments in other threads (notably about the Malaysian air disaster), but point taken.

    Apologies but I thought this was the thread where I had previously expressed my best wishes towards Ben, but if I recall correctly that thread was closed due to precisely the kind of speculation that's been deleted in this thread.

    It goes without saying (again) that Ben was a model pro during his stint at CAFC and a very talented footballer too.

    However, I politely suggest that if you were offended by that then you look elsewhere. I don't see my comments anywhere near the bar set by other threads, and I actually think that drudging up the poor guys past and insinuating they could be linked is both more personal and more disrespectful.

    At the point I posted, prior to deletions, that's precisely the avenue the discussion appeared to be going.

    Good luck Ben.
    I had limited my comment, in relation to your original remark, as I felt that was appropriate way for me reply in the circumstances. I also separated my reply to your remark, and my response to Ben Alnwick's current situation for the same reason.

    For the avoidance of doubt I did not "drudging up the poor guys past and insinuating they could be linked", I presume that relates to comments made by others.

    Each individual has decide what is and is not appropriate. However your original remark about "teach our strikers how to score" in relation to an incident where, it was stated in the media, that a teenaged girl was allegedly the victim of a very serious crime, was in my opinion in poor taste.
    I was indeed referring to other people's posts about drudging up the guys past; but you've gone off and done it regardless.

    I'm not quite sure it ever was stated like that in the media. That link earlier is the first time I've seen that age mentioned - and I suspect it's bullshit purely because that video is still on mainstream websites. If the age was correct it wouldn't be on those sites, and if it was the subject of a criminal investigation - ditto.

    Also, if you're pondering the incident 18 months later then no - I wouldn't joke about that, but that was neither mentioned in this thread nor was it ever linked to that video. Thats something that should be ignored right now as it's precisely what I mean by drudging up the past.

    I suggest we leave it there, this isn't the time or the place. I made a stupid one liner, which I've apologised for. I suspect you may be confusing the video with something else - which is what I've said I wanted to avoid as it was always going to be a slippery slope in to that territory.
  • What started off as a nice supportive thread for a former player who has health issues directly or indirectly affecting his career and personal life and now it seems we have gone into playground phase with bickering and play ground spats.

    I for one would like to return the thread to its original tone and perhaps the bickering could go to a seperate thread.

    I wish all the best to Ben and his family. Would it be possible to produce a thread wishing him the best and have it passed to him .. maybe via Johnny Jackson, so he realises that he has our wishes and suport.
  • Kap10 said:

    What started off as a nice supportive thread for a former player who has health issues directly or indirectly affecting his career and personal life and now it seems we have gone into playground phase with bickering and play ground spats.

    I for one would like to return the thread to its original tone and perhaps the bickering could go to a seperate thread.

    I wish all the best to Ben and his family. Would it be possible to produce a thread wishing him the best and have it passed to him .. maybe via Johnny Jackson, so he realises that he has our wishes and suport.

    Totally agree, his wellbeing is tge aim of this thread, not an alleged mistake he made sometime ago.
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