So people are just going to believe what they want to believe?
Think its a bit harsh on RD in my opinion.
whatever Chris says people will still believe what they want to
But Covered End does offer a pretty telling reason to be sceptical aboout CP's explanation:
"Alnwick leaves us because his contract expires June 2014 & goes to Orient & signs a contract expiring June 2014".
how do we know Orient haven't pretty much guaranteed him a further year etc if playing and doing well?
Orient could well have put a longer contract on the table for Alnwick.
Maybe he was thinking that he didn't want to get stuck in the Third Division if Orient missed promotion? If Orient are playing in the Champs next season it's a non-brainer ....... if he likes Orient and Orient like him, he gets a new contract.
So people are just going to believe what they want to believe?
Think its a bit harsh on RD in my opinion.
whatever Chris says people will still believe what they want to
But Covered End does offer a pretty telling reason to be sceptical aboout CP's explanation:
"Alnwick leaves us because his contract expires June 2014 & goes to Orient & signs a contract expiring June 2014".
how do we know Orient haven't pretty much guaranteed him a further year etc if playing and doing well?
The original info was that he was going on loan. That changed to we have sold him. I doubt that they gave him a 5 mth contract - probably 2 yrs.
If a player is near the end of his contract, does not like the terms that are being offered - like demanding he is no 1, then the club would be stupid not to sell if an offer came in. After all, we have a new number 2 and surely Hamer must be fit soon as well.
Clearly people are going to believe what they want to believe but there is nothing in the handling of Alnwick we have not seen before.
Our new owners (of one month) have not made decisions on up to 23 players and apparently the football management concerning their long term future at the club or if they have, those players and/or the football management involved have as yet to commit to the club beyond this year. It is as simple as that.
The same applied to Alnwick. His agent not unreasonably in view of his performances sought longer term assurances. The club decided it could not commit to him in the longer term. Alnwick asked to speak Orient who were prepared to match his current contract.
We have absolutely no knowledge of any assurances Orient may have made to him concerning next season. We do however know with some certainty the likelihood of the present Orient manager still being in situ next year. With Powells' future still unclear the Orient offer on that basis alone has to offer more comfort for Alnwicks' future.
Are people suggesting they offer Alnwick a longer contract simply on the basis of providing cover next year when we may have Hamer, Pope and Dillon in that mix. People were not beating a path to Barnsley's door to take him on loan.
This executive did not create this situation. Indeed judging by the nature of the contracts they have offered they believe in securing players on long term deals.
Simply offering contracts for short term expediency gets you into precisely the mess this executive is having to sort out. Sadly everybody involved including supporters are suffering the consequences.
So people are just going to believe what they want to believe?
Think its a bit harsh on RD in my opinion.
Possibly, but whilst we know very little about RD we know a lot about Chris Powell and the way he has picked his teams over 3 years. Can't remember him ever disposing of such an in-form player for no apparent reason. Even Kerm had to spend a couple of games on the bench and come on and score some goals before he ousted Hayes. Just throwing Thuram in like that and flogging Alnwick seems very unlike SCP.
So people are just going to believe what they want to believe?
Think its a bit harsh on RD in my opinion.
Possibly, but whilst we know very little about RD we know a lot about Chris Powell and the way he has picked his teams over 3 years. Can't remember him ever disposing of such an in-form player for no apparent reason. Even Kerm had to spend a couple of games on the bench and come on and score some goals before he ousted Hayes. Just throwing Thuram in like that and flogging Alnwick seems very unlike SCP.
But it's all guesswork.
He didn't just throw Thuram in though. He's played 2 games. One when he was the only fit keeper and the second when Alnwick had been sold for reasons he's since explained.
It's not as if he was told to play Thuram because if that was the case Thuram would've played at Doncaster.
So people are just going to believe what they want to believe?
Think its a bit harsh on RD in my opinion.
whatever Chris says people will still believe what they want to
But Covered End does offer a pretty telling reason to be sceptical aboout CP's explanation:
"Alnwick leaves us because his contract expires June 2014 & goes to Orient & signs a contract expiring June 2014".
how do we know Orient haven't pretty much guaranteed him a further year etc if playing and doing well?
The original info was that he was going on loan. That changed to we have sold him. I doubt that they gave him a 5 mth contract - probably 2 yrs. If a player is near the end of his contract, does not like the terms that are being offered - like demanding he is no 1, then the club would be stupid not to sell if an offer came in. After all, we have a new number 2 and surely Hamer must be fit soon as well.
not true. he signed a contract with Orient until end June this year. Now, whether they have a verbal agreement, or even a written one, that should they go up he get's a new longer contract who knows but his current contract there expires in five months.
So people are just going to believe what they want to believe?
Think its a bit harsh on RD in my opinion.
Possibly, but whilst we know very little about RD we know a lot about Chris Powell and the way he has picked his teams over 3 years. Can't remember him ever disposing of such an in-form player for no apparent reason. Even Kerm had to spend a couple of games on the bench and come on and score some goals before he ousted Hayes. Just throwing Thuram in like that and flogging Alnwick seems very unlike SCP.
But it's all guesswork.
He didn't just throw Thuram in though. He's played 2 games. One when he was the only fit keeper and the second when Alnwick had been sold for reasons he's since explained.
It's not as if he was told to play Thuram because if that was the case Thuram would've played at Doncaster.
But you are ignoring the elephant in the room, if I may say so.
What was Thuram doing here in the first place?
And what would Ben Alnwick and his advisers have done if Thuram wasn't here?
If there had been a offer for Alnwick earlier in the window, and then Thuram had come in, nobody would have raised an eyebrow. Indeed i guess we's be happy about the power of the network. However that wasn't what happened. Orient needed a keeper in a hurry, because their loan keeper was recalled to Hull.
Now one possible scenario is that CP was asked early on what his problems are and he may have said among other things "I've got only one fit senior keeper, and I'm not sure when the second one will be back". And Roland said "I've got a solution for that". And indeed we turned out to need Thuram because Alnwick went sick.
If that's really what happened, then we can be happy (provided Thuram learns how to command his box and communicate with his defence)
So people are just going to believe what they want to believe?
Think its a bit harsh on RD in my opinion.
Possibly, but whilst we know very little about RD we know a lot about Chris Powell and the way he has picked his teams over 3 years. Can't remember him ever disposing of such an in-form player for no apparent reason. Even Kerm had to spend a couple of games on the bench and come on and score some goals before he ousted Hayes. Just throwing Thuram in like that and flogging Alnwick seems very unlike SCP.
But it's all guesswork.
He didn't just throw Thuram in though. He's played 2 games. One when he was the only fit keeper and the second when Alnwick had been sold for reasons he's since explained.
It's not as if he was told to play Thuram because if that was the case Thuram would've played at Doncaster.
But you are ignoring the elephant in the room, if I may say so.
What was Thuram doing here in the first place?
And what would Ben Alnwick and his advisers have done if Thuram wasn't here?
If there had been a offer for Alnwick earlier in the window, and then Thuram had come in, nobody would have raised an eyebrow. Indeed i guess we's be happy about the power of the network. However that wasn't what happened. Orient needed a keeper in a hurry, because their loan keeper was recalled to Hull.
Now one possible scenario is that CP was asked early on what his problems are and he may have said among other things "I've got only one fit senior keeper, and I'm not sure when the second one will be back". And Roland said "I've got a solution for that". And indeed we turned out to need Thuram because Alnwick went sick.
If that's really what happened, then we can be happy (provided Thuram learns how to command his box and communicate with his defence)
So people are just going to believe what they want to believe?
Think its a bit harsh on RD in my opinion.
Possibly, but whilst we know very little about RD we know a lot about Chris Powell and the way he has picked his teams over 3 years. Can't remember him ever disposing of such an in-form player for no apparent reason. Even Kerm had to spend a couple of games on the bench and come on and score some goals before he ousted Hayes. Just throwing Thuram in like that and flogging Alnwick seems very unlike SCP.
But it's all guesswork.
He didn't just throw Thuram in though. He's played 2 games. One when he was the only fit keeper and the second when Alnwick had been sold for reasons he's since explained.
It's not as if he was told to play Thuram because if that was the case Thuram would've played at Doncaster.
Chris was - as ever - very impressive and articulate during the press conference. He expressly regretted Alnwick's departure, commenting that he had "been excellent for us", but added that the fact was that we had three goalies. That brings us back to the question as to why we were given a loan we didn't want or need and why a purely economic decision (involving very modest savings, given the apparent absence of a transfer fee ) was taken to move out the man in form, especially with Hamer injured. As the old proverb says, don't spoil the ship for a ha'p'orth of tar.
Chris stated that there was "an outside chance" of Hamer being fit for the Cup game, so hopefully he'll be ok for QPR and Barnsley later in the month (if Thuram cannot turn things around).
The question 'What was Thuram doing here' seems quite obvious to me - we are a club in danger of going down that has lacked investment in the squad. Yes Alnwick was playing very well but he was released from Barnsley so not rated too highly generally. Thuram had been pushing for an international place. Maybe that can't be seen from his performances so far but if you owned a club in trouble and knew you had a surplus keeper in your stable who on paper was better than the ones there wouldn't you think it sensible to offer their services? At least it gives another option.
I'm afraid for some there was a man on the grassy knoll, the US didn't go to the moon and Elvis was abducted by aliens. Personally I think it's just a case of an owner doing what he can with the resources he has to keep one of his clubs from going down.
So people are just going to believe what they want to believe?
Think its a bit harsh on RD in my opinion.
whatever Chris says people will still believe what they want to
But Covered End does offer a pretty telling reason to be sceptical aboout CP's explanation:
"Alnwick leaves us because his contract expires June 2014 & goes to Orient & signs a contract expiring June 2014".
how do we know Orient haven't pretty much guaranteed him a further year etc if playing and doing well?
The original info was that he was going on loan. That changed to we have sold him. I doubt that they gave him a 5 mth contract - probably 2 yrs. If a player is near the end of his contract, does not like the terms that are being offered - like demanding he is no 1, then the club would be stupid not to sell if an offer came in. After all, we have a new number 2 and surely Hamer must be fit soon as well.
not true. he signed a contract with Orient until end June this year. Now, whether they have a verbal agreement, or even a written one, that should they go up he get's a new longer contract who knows but his current contract there expires in five months.
Did not know that - obviously. What a strange one. Fancy leaving a Championship side and playing for the third tier. I think you would be offered a better deal by another club come the summer being we us.
Read this comment from above: ''Thuram's only played twice!!! Give the bloke a bit of a chance''.
Fair comment - but understand he gave goal away at Middlesborough costing us points, then not too clever against Wigan. We need someone who gives the defence confidence. Hopefully he will improve, must all give him a chance in the Birmingham game, but it's hard to be optimistic with your best 2 players (imo) injured (Solly and Wiggins), and the other 2 transferred. Anyone know how bad is Wiggins injury?
Goalkeepers do get a lot of stick and rightly so but if we were going to talk about anyone costing us points its been church more than anyone, he farted away chances at middlesborough that cost us the game not just thuram with the one goal, hes also missed a lot more chances that people do not remember, but because we see conceding a goal the end of the world, the amount of goals we could have scored that church didnt take gets overlooked
The question 'What was Thuram doing here' seems quite obvious to me - we are a club in danger of going down that has lacked investment in the squad. Yes Alnwick was playing very well but he was released from Barnsley so not rated too highly generally. Thuram had been pushing for an international place. Maybe that can't be seen from his performances so far but if you owned a club in trouble and knew you had a surplus keeper in your stable who on paper was better than the ones there wouldn't you think it sensible to offer their services? At least it gives another option.
I'm afraid for some there was a man on the grassy knoll, the US didn't go to the moon and Elvis was abducted by aliens. Personally I think it's just a case of an owner doing what he can with the resources he has to keep one of his clubs from going down.
Reasonable scenario. Pity you felt the need to slag off those of us who are not sure. Particularly as they include respected Belgian journalists.
I have watched the virtually half hour press day on player. Ben Hamer is injured for Saturday, and whatever may have been the case even up to last Saturday Chris does not have to play Thuram. It may be the playing of Thuram is something Chris has 'cleared up' now with Roland.. Watching the interview I have to say that Chris spoke very well, but he looked a bit worn down by recent challenges, and there seemed to be a dialogue going on between his emotional state and his logical state. Chris now seems to at least have one singular focus and that is to try to stay up, he won't walk away, despite the uncertainties he too feels about his own long term future. Chris looked to me as if he could do with some support and positive vibes. The non-playing staff need to have his back, the blimmin players (and I pray there is some excitement, joy and hope to be found in the new guys) need to give Chris everything, and of course we, the support, need to back him too. Long term or short term we need to be on our game for the rest of the season. Results picking up would put a spring in everybody's step, the new blokes and the old blokes could meld together in good positive displays, the FA Cup could be a bit of an adventure, we could get a bit more than salvage from the rest of this campaign if we have the cojones to face it. Powell isn't going to give up, neither am I. He knows and I know that there is a threat from defeatism, but everybody knows we are where we are, and we will fight on to prevail.
Whatever people think about Chris Powell, as a manager, his tactics, his timing and substitutes I believe firmly that he is definitely NOT a yes man, I also think he is a honest, proud man. We , the supporters have got to stay with him and his vision for the club. How many more times do we want to hear him say how much he loves the club and supporters? If his hand was being 'forced' I am sure he would resign. Come on all you fellow addicks, for the rest of the season let's do our part and let the gaffer do his!!
There's a difference between being told to play someone and being left with no option. I don't believe for a million years that Powell would let the owner tell him who plays but it may be out of his control who leaves and who comes in and therefore who he is left with.
Maybe it's time for Powell to lean on some experience within the club, i.e. Keith Peacock. Get back to the basics of a well-drilled and organised team.
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Maybe he was thinking that he didn't want to get stuck in the Third Division if Orient missed promotion? If Orient are playing in the Champs next season it's a non-brainer ....... if he likes Orient and Orient like him, he gets a new contract.
If a player is near the end of his contract, does not like the terms that are being offered - like demanding he is no 1, then the club would be stupid not to sell if an offer came in.
After all, we have a new number 2 and surely Hamer must be fit soon as well.
Our new owners (of one month) have not made decisions on up to 23 players and apparently the football management concerning their long term future at the club or if they have, those players and/or the football management involved have as yet to commit to the club beyond this year. It is as simple as that.
The same applied to Alnwick. His agent not unreasonably in view of his performances sought longer term assurances. The club decided it could not commit to him in the longer term. Alnwick asked to speak Orient who were prepared to match his current contract.
We have absolutely no knowledge of any assurances Orient may have made to him concerning next season. We do however know with some certainty the likelihood of the present Orient manager still being in situ next year. With Powells' future still unclear the Orient offer on that basis alone has to offer more comfort for Alnwicks' future.
Are people suggesting they offer Alnwick a longer contract simply on the basis of providing cover next year when we may have Hamer, Pope and Dillon in that mix. People were not beating a path to Barnsley's door to take him on loan.
This executive did not create this situation. Indeed judging by the nature of the contracts they have offered they believe in securing players on long term deals.
Simply offering contracts for short term expediency gets you into precisely the mess this executive is having to sort out. Sadly everybody involved including supporters are suffering the consequences.
But it's all guesswork.
He didn't just throw Thuram in though. He's played 2 games. One when he was the only fit keeper and the second when Alnwick had been sold for reasons he's since explained.
It's not as if he was told to play Thuram because if that was the case Thuram would've played at Doncaster.
What was Thuram doing here in the first place?
And what would Ben Alnwick and his advisers have done if Thuram wasn't here?
If there had been a offer for Alnwick earlier in the window, and then Thuram had come in, nobody would have raised an eyebrow. Indeed i guess we's be happy about the power of the network. However that wasn't what happened. Orient needed a keeper in a hurry, because their loan keeper was recalled to Hull.
Now one possible scenario is that CP was asked early on what his problems are and he may have said among other things "I've got only one fit senior keeper, and I'm not sure when the second one will be back". And Roland said "I've got a solution for that". And indeed we turned out to need Thuram because Alnwick went sick.
If that's really what happened, then we can be happy (provided Thuram learns how to command his box and communicate with his defence)
I don't think it's ever been seriously suggested that Chris "has" to play Thuram. The concerns expressed by Kevin Nolan in his Wigan match report relate to the movement out of Alnwick by Duchatalet, contrary (it appears) to the manager's wishes - http://www.greenwich.co.uk/sport/10669-kevin-nolan-match-report-wigan-athletic-v-charlton-122014/
Chris stated that there was "an outside chance" of Hamer being fit for the Cup game, so hopefully he'll be ok for QPR and Barnsley later in the month (if Thuram cannot turn things around).
I'm afraid for some there was a man on the grassy knoll, the US didn't go to the moon and Elvis was abducted by aliens. Personally I think it's just a case of an owner doing what he can with the resources he has to keep one of his clubs from going down.
''Thuram's only played twice!!! Give the bloke a bit of a chance''.
Fair comment - but understand he gave goal away at Middlesborough costing us points,
then not too clever against Wigan. We need someone who gives the defence confidence.
Hopefully he will improve, must all give him a chance in the Birmingham game,
but it's hard to be optimistic with your best 2 players (imo) injured (Solly and Wiggins),
and the other 2 transferred. Anyone know how bad is Wiggins injury?
Give the guy a chance.
He'd cost us points, then people would try and shut the complainers down by saying Hamer was an unfair scapegoat. Just like Thuram is now.
Ben Hamer is injured for Saturday, and whatever may have been the case even up to last Saturday Chris does not have to play Thuram.
It may be the playing of Thuram is something Chris has 'cleared up' now with Roland..
Watching the interview I have to say that Chris spoke very well, but he looked a bit worn down by recent challenges, and there seemed to be a dialogue going on between his emotional state and his logical state.
Chris now seems to at least have one singular focus and that is to try to stay up, he won't walk away, despite the uncertainties he too feels about his own long term future.
Chris looked to me as if he could do with some support and positive vibes. The non-playing staff need to have his back, the blimmin players (and I pray there is some excitement, joy and hope to be found in the new guys) need to give Chris everything, and of course we, the support, need to back him too. Long term or short term we need to be on our game for the rest of the season.
Results picking up would put a spring in everybody's step, the new blokes and the old blokes could meld together in good positive displays, the FA Cup could be a bit of an adventure, we could get a bit more than salvage from the rest of this campaign if we have the cojones to face it.
Powell isn't going to give up, neither am I. He knows and I know that there is a threat from defeatism, but everybody knows we are where we are, and we will fight on to prevail.
We , the supporters have got to stay with him and his vision for the club. How many more times do we want to hear him say how much he loves the club and supporters?
If his hand was being 'forced' I am sure he would resign.
Come on all you fellow addicks, for the rest of the season let's do our part and let the gaffer do his!!