Jose ourinho will be free in the summer. Heis a must.
McLaren is a clueless clown.
Why play Neville if Richards, who he clearly likes as do I, is fit and then waste a subsititution bringing him on.
What does the fat dirty kid Rooney have to do to get subbed - he is a liability sometimes he spent more time trying to row with Ben Haim then playing bloody football. I don't rate Johnson as an international but he was clearly playing better than Rooney yet got dragged.
As for Downing how he gets near an England shirt amazes me. Come back Joe Cole all is forgiven.
As for David Bentley - what a talent clearly ready for the step up -- as for Anton Ferdinand he is a pile of shit. Got embarrassed big time by the Italian hattrick lad time and again.
Oh, Sweet Jesus I can scarcely believe there are people on here defending Beckham when he has already shown himself to be one of the biggest whore's in the game with his move to MLS at just 31 years of age. How could England seriously recall a bloke who has effectively signalled he is retiring from serious football at the end of the season anyway?
I mean, come on, he has been at Real for FOUR years and what have they won? That's right, feck all. He's played for England for 10 years and what's the most we've done with him in the side? Quarter finals and out on penalties, just for a change.
As for Chris from Sidcup: "Beckham is seen largely as Reals most important player since Capello put him back in the side," well that's not saying much is it? Even if that statement were true, which I don't really think it is, what does that mean anyway? That he is the best performing player amongst a sea of under-performing prima donnas? Give me a break.
Sure, Beckham is still the best dead-ball taker in the world, but he is definitely not the answer for England and would probably just make things worse. We already have two midfield ego merchants in Lampard and Gerrard so adding a third to the mix would be madness.
Moreover, its pretty much common knowledge that Beckham's show boating and all consuming celebrity had worn out its welcome amongst most of the squad, just as SVE's agent told everyone the other day, so bringing him back now as some sort of messiah would be dumb.
Why are people always looking for a bloody savious? Its ridiculous. In the cricket Beefy Botham played his last decent Test cricket for England in 1987 here in Oz but kept on getting picked right through till 92 despite being fat and unfit for another five years on the strength of what he did years before.
Same deal with Beckham, he was very good from 1996-2002 and then after that it was a gradual slide downhill as his legs went and his lack of pace became even more apparent.
People seriously advocating bringing him back really need to wake up to themselves.
I never said i'd have him back in the England side, if you read my other posts you'd see i'd play Lennon on the right. I was merely commenting on your earlier statement that Beckham was the "bloke who has played about five games all season for Real and done nothing for them either", which isn't true.
The balance in the side is wrong, either you play a formation with 5 in midfield to accomodate Lampard and Gerrard, or you drop Lampard, and play Hargraves and Gerrard as a central pair.
As for Rooney, he's left isolated when he plays for England, which doesn't happen at United, Ronaldo, Giggs, Scholes all get up and support him if he plays as a lone front man, for England it doesn't happen, Lampard is one paces, Gerrard is on the wrong side, as is Lennon.
McClaren is doing a Taylor, playing players out of position like Carragher despite having decent options available.
It'll change on Wednesday, but it's a turkey shoot, and the pressure on the 3 games at Wembley in September/October is massive, the Wembley factor might back fire on us.
[cite]Posted By: Rothko[/cite]
It'll change on Wednesday, but it's a turkey shoot.
Will it? I bet he still plays Lampard and Gerrard. Although to be fair on weds night he could probably play 2-4-4 and we'd win easily. Rumours that as well as the fans and media that McClaren has lost the players doesn't bode well either.
No one can be surprised tho surely. When McClaren was announced it was greeted by indifference. No excitement in that appointment. The game was watched by most in the pub with only half an eye on it, total rubbish.
I am a bit surprised. I must admit i had doubts about McClaren but then he dropped Beckham and it looked like he'd do ok. But already he's fallen into the same trap as all the other managers who seem to just lose it and not know what they're doing. Carragher at left back? Lennon on the left wing? Neville instead of Richards? Johnson instead of Defoe?
And although we dominated possesion we never looked like scoring so he leaves it until about 10 minutes to go to change it. Could you imagine someone like Mourinho leaving it that long. He'd have changed it at half time, an hour at the latest and gone for it. McClaren leaves it to the 80th minute and then brings our most dangerous player off instead of playing him in his natural position on the right.
Cannot say I particularly Liked Eriksson, but his results in Qualifiers were nothing short of outstanding with what has to be said is an overhyped & overrated team. Until we appoint an England boss who is prepared to select form players who do not play for the BIG Four or Five in the prem we will have the same problems over & over again. As soon as some of the bigheads who expect to play everygame & know that they will are dropped for someone from a smaller club they will just go 'through the motions' knowing that they are guaranteed a start next game.
I'm not sure it is entirely a management issue. I think some of the players have an inflated opinion of their own ability and worth and thus consider it demeaning to have to play against teams like Israel.
However a strong manager would send out a statement by selecting honest players like Kevin Nolan against the "smaller" teams and keep them in if and when they do well.
At least such players would WANT to play for England. You only have to look at the attitude of most of the team during the National Anthem to see that they have no pride in and don't give a toss about their country.
[cite]Posted By: Ormiston Addick[/cite]
I mean, come on, he has been at Real for FOUR years and what have they won? That's right, feck all. He's played for England for 10 years and what's the most we've done with him in the side? Quarter finals and out on penalties, just for a change.
Beckham is hardly solely to blame for Real being not winning anything since he's been there.
Chris from Sidcup: Yeah, fair enough chief, I was a bit over the top but I just get so steamed up at this "Bring Back Becks" campaign that The Sun (who spent most of the last three years trying to get him dropped) have sparked up, its just madness.
Ledge Knows: Yes, you're right, he is not solely to blame for Real's demise but the whole Galactico philosophy (of which he is a huge part) has been the sole reason because they overloaded their side with play-makers and had no-one to do the dirty work.
I remember seeing Real in their ECL home game against Arsenal and they had Beckham - Zidane - Figo in the midfield and Ronaldo and Raul up front and, if you remember, they hardly tested Lehman all night. Why? Because they had five blokes who all wanted the ball to feet the whole time and nobody wanted to do the dirty work of running off the ball, making runs into the channels or really pressure the defence, they all just wanted the ball to try and play the killer pass.
That's the same problem England had at the World Cup, too many Chiefs trying to dictate the play and not enough Indians (if you forgive the rather unfortunate analogy) to do the dirty but crucial work of stretching the opposition.
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McLaren is a clueless clown.
Why play Neville if Richards, who he clearly likes as do I, is fit and then waste a subsititution bringing him on.
What does the fat dirty kid Rooney have to do to get subbed - he is a liability sometimes he spent more time trying to row with Ben Haim then playing bloody football. I don't rate Johnson as an international but he was clearly playing better than Rooney yet got dragged.
As for Downing how he gets near an England shirt amazes me. Come back Joe Cole all is forgiven.
As for David Bentley - what a talent clearly ready for the step up -- as for Anton Ferdinand he is a pile of shit. Got embarrassed big time by the Italian hattrick lad time and again.
I mean, come on, he has been at Real for FOUR years and what have they won? That's right, feck all. He's played for England for 10 years and what's the most we've done with him in the side? Quarter finals and out on penalties, just for a change.
As for Chris from Sidcup: "Beckham is seen largely as Reals most important player since Capello put him back in the side," well that's not saying much is it? Even if that statement were true, which I don't really think it is, what does that mean anyway? That he is the best performing player amongst a sea of under-performing prima donnas? Give me a break.
Sure, Beckham is still the best dead-ball taker in the world, but he is definitely not the answer for England and would probably just make things worse. We already have two midfield ego merchants in Lampard and Gerrard so adding a third to the mix would be madness.
Moreover, its pretty much common knowledge that Beckham's show boating and all consuming celebrity had worn out its welcome amongst most of the squad, just as SVE's agent told everyone the other day, so bringing him back now as some sort of messiah would be dumb.
Why are people always looking for a bloody savious? Its ridiculous. In the cricket Beefy Botham played his last decent Test cricket for England in 1987 here in Oz but kept on getting picked right through till 92 despite being fat and unfit for another five years on the strength of what he did years before.
Same deal with Beckham, he was very good from 1996-2002 and then after that it was a gradual slide downhill as his legs went and his lack of pace became even more apparent.
People seriously advocating bringing him back really need to wake up to themselves.
As for Rooney, he's left isolated when he plays for England, which doesn't happen at United, Ronaldo, Giggs, Scholes all get up and support him if he plays as a lone front man, for England it doesn't happen, Lampard is one paces, Gerrard is on the wrong side, as is Lennon.
McClaren is doing a Taylor, playing players out of position like Carragher despite having decent options available.
It'll change on Wednesday, but it's a turkey shoot, and the pressure on the 3 games at Wembley in September/October is massive, the Wembley factor might back fire on us.
Will it? I bet he still plays Lampard and Gerrard. Although to be fair on weds night he could probably play 2-4-4 and we'd win easily. Rumours that as well as the fans and media that McClaren has lost the players doesn't bode well either.
And although we dominated possesion we never looked like scoring so he leaves it until about 10 minutes to go to change it. Could you imagine someone like Mourinho leaving it that long. He'd have changed it at half time, an hour at the latest and gone for it. McClaren leaves it to the 80th minute and then brings our most dangerous player off instead of playing him in his natural position on the right.
However a strong manager would send out a statement by selecting honest players like Kevin Nolan against the "smaller" teams and keep them in if and when they do well.
At least such players would WANT to play for England. You only have to look at the attitude of most of the team during the National Anthem to see that they have no pride in and don't give a toss about their country.
The performance on the field reflects that.
Beckham is hardly solely to blame for Real being not winning anything since he's been there.
Ledge Knows: Yes, you're right, he is not solely to blame for Real's demise but the whole Galactico philosophy (of which he is a huge part) has been the sole reason because they overloaded their side with play-makers and had no-one to do the dirty work.
I remember seeing Real in their ECL home game against Arsenal and they had Beckham - Zidane - Figo in the midfield and Ronaldo and Raul up front and, if you remember, they hardly tested Lehman all night. Why? Because they had five blokes who all wanted the ball to feet the whole time and nobody wanted to do the dirty work of running off the ball, making runs into the channels or really pressure the defence, they all just wanted the ball to try and play the killer pass.
That's the same problem England had at the World Cup, too many Chiefs trying to dictate the play and not enough Indians (if you forgive the rather unfortunate analogy) to do the dirty but crucial work of stretching the opposition.