Len, I know you are going to find some oddball website to justify comparing Darwin and Dawkins to Hitler and then get the hump when people have dismissed your "source" as unreliable but what the fuck are you on about?
Darwin never advocated killing anyone. He merely explained how evolution works from his house in Bromley. Neither has Dawkins, he just attacks fundamental and dangerous religious intolerance of all types. Hitler lead Europe into a war that kills dozens of millions and created a philosophy that sent people to gas chambers.
That has NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH ENERGY PRICES GOING UP.
Len, I know you are going to find some oddball website to justify comparing Darwin and Dawkins to Hitler and then get the hump when people have dismissed your "source" as unreliable but what the fuck are you on about?
Darwin never advocated killing anyone. He merely explained how evolution works from his house in Bromley. Neither has Dawkins, he just attacks fundamental and dangerous religious intolerance of all types. Hitler lead Europe into a war that kills dozens of millions and created a philosophy that sent people to gas chambers.
That has NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH ENERGY PRICES GOING UP.
In essence there is an undeniable link between Greenery and National Socialism or fascism.
I'm afraid it's not The Guardian so you will doubtless dismiss it as an unacceptable source but Green Levies are paid through our energy bills from British Gas, EDF or whoever.
National Socialists and Greens generally are blase as to the right to life of the old, vulnerable and unborn. The third link above gives a sample of quotes.
The potential effect of energy prices going up is people dying. Green taxes are a significant reason for those price increases.
Therefore in my opinion, which much to the chagrin of the Charlton Life Thought Police I am still just about entitled to in an increasingly undemocratic country, it is reasonable to link the reasons for an increase in energy prices to the ideological reasons behind it.
wholesale gas and electricity prices have eased over the last 6 months after a spike due to a colder winter. The man increases in cost comes from the non commodity side. Government tax's and levies being a big drive.
Len, I know you are going to find some oddball website to justify comparing Darwin and Dawkins to Hitler and then get the hump when people have dismissed your "source" as unreliable but what the fuck are you on about?
Darwin never advocated killing anyone. He merely explained how evolution works from his house in Bromley. Neither has Dawkins, he just attacks fundamental and dangerous religious intolerance of all types. Hitler lead Europe into a war that kills dozens of millions and created a philosophy that sent people to gas chambers.
That has NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH ENERGY PRICES GOING UP.
In essence there is an undeniable link between Greenery and National Socialism or fascism.
I'm afraid it's not The Guardian so you will doubtless dismiss it as an unacceptable source but Green Levies are paid through our energy bills from British Gas, EDF or whoever.
National Socialists and Greens generally are blase as to the right to life of the old, vulnerable and unborn. The third link above gives a sample of quotes.
The potential effect of energy prices going up is people dying. Green taxes are a significant reason for those price increases.
Therefore in my opinion, which much to the chagrin of the Charlton Life Thought Police I am still just about entitled to in an increasingly undemocratic country, it is reasonable to link the reasons for an increase in energy prices to the ideological reasons behind it.
Len, has anyone here ever actually stopped you from spouting whatever nonsense you want to?
Or do you just not like people disagreeing with you?
I have absolutely no problem with people disagreeing with me providing it is in the context of civil debate.
What does annoy me is the unjustified denigration of sources, labelling to stifle debate and personal insults which are the modus operandi of some posters on here.
There you go again with your paranoid "thought police" "increasing undemocratic" remarks after you completely ignored what I said. Democracy is being allowed to disagree with people but you don't seem to agree with that when you get pulled on a meaningless collection of non-facts and unrelated statements.
I didn't mention the Greens. I said your comparison between Darwin, Dawkins and Hitler was nonsensical and it is. And you have offered nothing about either Darwin or Dawkins or how they are somehow the same as Hitler. Remember so called "social Darwinism" was nothing to do with Darwin. The religious right wing, in the US especially, like to try and blame Darwin for what others did as they want to undermine evolution and still, amazingly, want people to believe in creationism and the book of Genesis.
But since you have brought it up your only link seems to be some nazis mentioned ecology and nature. So because the Greens mention ecology and nature they are the same as nazis. Might as well say that all vegetarians are nazis or all dog lovers as they were both traits of hitler. Same muddled thinking.
Where is your evidence is the Green Party in the UK are "blase" about the right to life of the old and vulnerable. You have offered none above.
And as I don't read the Guardian or support either the labour or green parties all the rest is just a pitiful attempt to deflect from the fact that your sources don't back up your original statements.
In your anxiety to discredit me you are ignoring my point and deflecting from it.
All I said originally is that it is FACT that a major driver in the present round of energy price increases is Green ideology and taxes arising from that.
I happen to believe that the obsession with "Greenery" is a money making scam and also that "Greenery" is not as cuddly and fluffy as Greens would have us believe. My links in my reply to you illustrate how National Socialism, an ideology we both abhor, has grown through the belief of its adherents in Green ideology.
I mention Darwin and Dawkins simply because they are arguably the two dominant icons of the British icons of Green ideology and in essence Greens do not consider human life to be any more valuable than any other form of animal life.
Much of this stems from Darwin as can be seen here:
I'm laughing that you think I have any anxiety about discrediting you. You seem quite able to do that yourself.
You are also back tracking rapidly now.
"All I said originally is that it is FACT that a major driver in the present round of energy price increases is Green ideology and taxes arising from that."
No, that wasn't all you said and where have you proved that it is a FACT? You said Green scam levies lead to people freezing to death. Of every £1 spent on a gas bill how much is a so called green levy, how much tax, how much costs, how much profit and what constitutes major.
"I happen to believe that the obsession with "Greenery" is a money making scam and also that "Greenery" is not as cuddly and fluffy as Greens would have us believe. My links in my reply to you illustrate how National Socialism, an ideology we both abhor, has grown through the belief of its adherents in Green ideology. "
The first sentence has no connection with the second. You may BELIEVE that of this unspecified "Greenery" but you haven't given any evidence of that and certainly that they don't value human life. National Socialism hasn't grown through through a belief in green ideology. One, it died in 1945. Two, ecology was a very minor part. It's nationalism and racism were far far far more important. You have shown no link with the Green party or lobby in the UK NOW with any far right groups like the BNP or the EDL and you can't because there are none.
"I mention Darwin and Dawkins simply because they are arguably the two dominant icons of the British icons of Green ideology"
Says who? Since when has Darwin been an icon for Green ideology and even if he was there's nothing he can do about that having been dead for 150 odd years. Dawkins perhaps but you compared them to Hitler. How are they mass murderers? That is like blaming Jesus for the troubles in Northern Ireland because he was an icon to both sides.
"and in essence Greens do not consider human life to be any more valuable than any other form of animal life."
Please give some evidence of this because nowhere have you done so so far. You just saying it doesn't make it true. Some extreme veggies etc maybe but you are saying that anyone who believes in green issues such as recycling or sustainable energy doesn't care about human life and is willing to let the old and infirm freeze to death. Your phrase not mine. But yet again you have provided no facts to back this up. It is just your assumptions based on huge leaps of non-logic.
There are hundreds of those bloody wind turbines blighting the landscape up by me.Never see many working and then you see the bridges and roads built to get them to the sites.Must have cost millions.Must be a company run by a Government ministers mate.
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Mind you the Greenies also think we are over populated so if we kill some of the less fit we are living up to Darwin, Dawkins and Hitler.
Soup de Jour!!!!!
Darwin never advocated killing anyone. He merely explained how evolution works from his house in Bromley. Neither has Dawkins, he just attacks fundamental and dangerous religious intolerance of all types. Hitler lead Europe into a war that kills dozens of millions and created a philosophy that sent people to gas chambers.
That has NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO WITH ENERGY PRICES GOING UP.
and, from the BBC so hopefully acceptable to you as a source Henry, a quotation from my source above
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/climatechange/2009/05/ever_wondered_why_it_is.html
and
http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/Radical Ecology.htm
In essence there is an undeniable link between Greenery and National Socialism or fascism.
I'm afraid it's not The Guardian so you will doubtless dismiss it as an unacceptable source but Green Levies are paid through our energy bills from British Gas, EDF or whoever.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10357189/Green-energy-to-cost-consumers-400-over-next-five-years.html
National Socialists and Greens generally are blase as to the right to life of the old, vulnerable and unborn. The third link above gives a sample of quotes.
The potential effect of energy prices going up is people dying. Green taxes are a significant reason for those price increases.
Therefore in my opinion, which much to the chagrin of the Charlton Life Thought Police I am still just about entitled to in an increasingly undemocratic country, it is reasonable to link the reasons for an increase in energy prices to the ideological reasons behind it.
Or do you just not like people disagreeing with you?
Can we talk about the hilarious #askBG hashtag backfire now?
What does annoy me is the unjustified denigration of sources, labelling to stifle debate and personal insults which are the modus operandi of some posters on here.
I didn't mention the Greens. I said your comparison between Darwin, Dawkins and Hitler was nonsensical and it is. And you have offered nothing about either Darwin or Dawkins or how they are somehow the same as Hitler. Remember so called "social Darwinism" was nothing to do with Darwin. The religious right wing, in the US especially, like to try and blame Darwin for what others did as they want to undermine evolution and still, amazingly, want people to believe in creationism and the book of Genesis.
But since you have brought it up your only link seems to be some nazis mentioned ecology and nature. So because the Greens mention ecology and nature they are the same as nazis. Might as well say that all vegetarians are nazis or all dog lovers as they were both traits of hitler. Same muddled thinking.
Where is your evidence is the Green Party in the UK are "blase" about the right to life of the old and vulnerable. You have offered none above.
And as I don't read the Guardian or support either the labour or green parties all the rest is just a pitiful attempt to deflect from the fact that your sources don't back up your original statements.
In your anxiety to discredit me you are ignoring my point and deflecting from it.
All I said originally is that it is FACT that a major driver in the present round of energy price increases is Green ideology and taxes arising from that.
I happen to believe that the obsession with "Greenery" is a money making scam and also that "Greenery" is not as cuddly and fluffy as Greens would have us believe. My links in my reply to you illustrate how National Socialism, an ideology we both abhor, has grown through the belief of its adherents in Green ideology.
I mention Darwin and Dawkins simply because they are arguably the two dominant icons of the British icons of Green ideology and in essence Greens do not consider human life to be any more valuable than any other form of animal life.
Much of this stems from Darwin as can be seen here:
http://www.csustan.edu/history/faculty/weikart/dardevalue.htm
bbc.co.uk/news/business-24494893
You are also back tracking rapidly now.
"All I said originally is that it is FACT that a major driver in the present round of energy price increases is Green ideology and taxes arising from that."
No, that wasn't all you said and where have you proved that it is a FACT? You said Green scam levies lead to people freezing to death. Of every £1 spent on a gas bill how much is a so called green levy, how much tax, how much costs, how much profit and what constitutes major.
"I happen to believe that the obsession with "Greenery" is a money making scam and also that "Greenery" is not as cuddly and fluffy as Greens would have us believe. My links in my reply to you illustrate how National Socialism, an ideology we both abhor, has grown through the belief of its adherents in Green ideology. "
The first sentence has no connection with the second. You may BELIEVE that of this unspecified "Greenery" but you haven't given any evidence of that and certainly that they don't value human life. National Socialism hasn't grown through through a belief in green ideology. One, it died in 1945. Two, ecology was a very minor part. It's nationalism and racism were far far far more important. You have shown no link with the Green party or lobby in the UK NOW with any far right groups like the BNP or the EDL and you can't because there are none.
"I mention Darwin and Dawkins simply because they are arguably the two dominant icons of the British icons of Green ideology"
Says who? Since when has Darwin been an icon for Green ideology and even if he was there's nothing he can do about that having been dead for 150 odd years. Dawkins perhaps but you compared them to Hitler. How are they mass murderers? That is like blaming Jesus for the troubles in Northern Ireland because he was an icon to both sides.
"and in essence Greens do not consider human life to be any more valuable than any other form of animal life."
Please give some evidence of this because nowhere have you done so so far. You just saying it doesn't make it true. Some extreme veggies etc maybe but you are saying that anyone who believes in green issues such as recycling or sustainable energy doesn't care about human life and is willing to let the old and infirm freeze to death. Your phrase not mine. But yet again you have provided no facts to back this up. It is just your assumptions based on huge leaps of non-logic.
AND THE QUEEN IS A LIZAAAAARRDDD!!
The sooner we start fracking in this Country the better.