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Eamon Dunphy's Rocky Road autobiography

edited October 2013 in General Charlton
In the autobiography thread I reported that Eamon Dunphy's autobiography was due out.In the end it was Foyles at Stratford Westfield and not Waterstones but I have now read Dunphy's seven pages about his time at Charlton. The reason I was interested in doing this was that he played for us in the first game I saw and when visiting my partner's relatives in Ireland he is the regular football pundit alongside Johnny Giles.He is probably the only Irishman who did not like Jack Charlton.

There were no pictures of him associated with him as an Addick although there were of every other club he played for including Manchester United where he copies a Programme article which described him as a bright prospect and York where he shows the picture of signing for them . There were no surprises about his attitude to us which is similar to that displayed in Only A Game.In general he said we were passionless and remarked negatively as to how different we were to the Spanners.In a section which almost mirrors sections of our current support he commented how quickly the crowd got on the teams back when things were going badly.

He speaks warmly of Theo Foley and clearly respected him from his dealings in the Irish team and this clearly influenced him to join us and describes how Benny Fenton driving him to Charlton said we were a 'dead' club and this could be a 'disastrous' move for both of them. Eamon goes on to talk about the financial part of the transfer and how he went from £35 a week at Millwall to £40 at Charlton despite the fact he would drop a Division because he lost out on a testimonial.

In terms of his period with us he does accept that he had turned 30 his career was on the slide and had major back problems which involved him being physically sick at half time so that must have restricted his capability.

He 'liked' Michael Glickstein who he describes as an old Etonian despite our Chairman calling him 'my Commie friend' and Eamon refusing to call him 'Mr Michael' as he requested.He said he was a figure that he could respect unlike other people who ran football clubs at that time which I suspect was a broadside at the then owners of Millwall.

His worst bile came for Andy Nelson who replaced Theo as manager in his second season with us.I understand Nelson also coached him at Millwall so there was a previous negative relationship between them.He describes Nelson in unflattering terms as a 'typical' centre half and stopper. He said that despite not liking Eamon as a player that he understood that in the Third Division that he had his 'uses'. Dunphy describes Nelson winning promotion in 1975 and seems personally detached from it .His description of Nelson being a training room tyrant who transformed into being a sycophant on the away coach when in the company of Glickstein was amusing.

He tells of how Keith Peacock was dropped for the crucial promotion game against Preston and how harsh this was. In this passage he describes Keith's dedication to Charlton and in one of the few positive comments he describes how the Valley is now a much better stadium than in his days when he describes the Keith Peacock Suite.Dunphy then discovers he has been released on a free transfer in a paper.

A big disappointment in this section of the book is where Dunphy is trying to paint a negative image of his team mates. He describes the Flanagan and Hales punch up incident as being the season before his time at Charlton when in fact it occurred four years after he played for us.I find it incredible that a journalist of his repute would make such a basic factual error concerning his own career to create a dramatic effect.

Also despite it being in the context of him being the manager of the Spanners I would be disappointed in Benny Fenton described Charlton as 'dead'. I would have thought that an ex player in our glory days would have more affection and respect for us than that. It is ironic if this is true that Benny himself returned to the Valley a few years later and I remember him being Mike Bailey's number 2 in 1980/81 saying that Charlton was in his 'blood'.

Another irony of course is that the so called 'dead' club replaced the Spanners in the Second Division at the end of his stay with us in 1975.I find his criticisms of Nelson interesting, they do replicate what other players have said about the dressing room dictator but I do not remember the Flanagan ,Hales and Powell era on the field as being dead.In fact quite the opposite we were only a couple of players short of being real contenders when we got back into the Second Division and I often wonder in the era of Play Offs whether this side could have taken us back to the top flight.

The final irony is that Nelson had a comparatively good record against the Spanners with two wins alongside two defeats and two draws.

Comments

  • Thanks for that, nice summary.

    As you say, he didn't really disguise his contempt for us in Only a Game. Found the abrupt ending of that book so frustrating. Obviously as a Charlton fan I would say that, but it seemed to me a potentially interesting chapter/postscript which would have rounded off the book nicely - i.e. that the manager who signs you gets the sack a few months later. Plus all the 'fun' of getting to know your new team mates.

    Is the new book overall worth having (or did you just read those 7 pages)? 'course that's expected behaviour, I must have read loads of football books in bookshops having gone straight to the index to see which pages we're mentioned on, if any
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    Only a game was very frustrating, especially as the chapters on the Spanners were so well written. Still an enjoyable book though.

    Roy Keane didn't like Jack Charlton either!
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    Thanks for that, nice summary.

    As you say, he didn't really disguise his contempt for us in Only a Game. Found the abrupt ending of that book so frustrating. Obviously as a Charlton fan I would say that, but it seemed to me a potentially interesting chapter/postscript which would have rounded off the book nicely - i.e. that the manager who signs you gets the sack a few months later. Plus all the 'fun' of getting to know your new team mates.

    Is the new book overall worth having (or did you just read those 7 pages)? 'course that's expected behaviour, I must have read loads of football books in bookshops having gone straight to the index to see which pages we're mentioned on, if any

    I might purchase it when it comes down in price but so far this was a seven page book shop browse whilst Karen was clothes shopping yesterday.I didn't want to shell out £20.

    Like you when I have divorced my feelings about his ambivalence to the Addicks I think Only A Game is a good book which left me fascinated as you say for a bit more about his time with Charlton.What I find most interesting is that he achieved a promotion with us from the third tier which replicates what he achieved at Millwall but somehow this is not seen as successful.
  • Thanks RJ .. your excellent précis means that I won't have to buy the book ((:->)
  • Never really liked the bloke, so thanks for summarising, defiantly will not buy the book.
  • Dunphy is an interesting character, you have to admire his balls for standing up against the Jack Charlton mass eulogies in 1990 and saying what he felt, that being that the team were playing awful football.

    Dunphy knew he would cop a massive backlash and did, from Charlton and the media/public, but said it anyway because he was so angry about the tactics.

    It raised a fascinating point, that being, is success really worthwhile if it is achieved at such a high price?

    Having said that he does, as many pundits do, often say things for effect and be a deliberate provocateur.
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    I was only 9 or 10 at the time, but remember Dunphy being possibly the weakest link in the team.
    Such a peripheral figure in our history, so I'd have zero interest in reading his views.
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    One point I would accept is that as a club we looked dead or at least in intensive care in 1974, when Dunphy signed. Yes, we could score goals, but leaked them too,at a crumbling ground dotted with 4000 sad sods.

    It's clear that Nelson was not especially likeable, and his train eventually derailed. But he got us promotion, and for those of us who came in during the 60s it was the first time we'd seen any success . And he was vindicated for the Preston game, which we did actually win. I for one remain grateful
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    One point I would accept is that as a club we looked dead or at least in intensive care in 1974, when Dunphy signed. Yes, we could score goals, but leaked them too,at a crumbling ground dotted with 4000 sad sods.

    It's clear that Nelson was not especially likeable, and his train eventually derailed. But he got us promotion, and for those of us who came in during the 60s it was the first time we'd seen any success . And he was vindicated for the Preston game, which we did actually win. I for one remain grateful


    I too accept that this was a desperate time in our history but it was actually Nelson that proved successful in getting us back to the second tier and as I remember it Dunphy did contribute and would have played around half of the games that season despite his chronic back problems.

    I haven't read what he said about his previous promotion at Millwall or subsequent one with Reading from the Fourth to the Third but I suspect he would remember these achievements with more affection.

    As with his views on Jack Charlton (maybe its the name he does not like) there are no shades of grey.
  • I think Dunphy came along in 73-4, and to be honest at that time Charlton had stagnated for so long that the description of them as a "dead club" was probably true. It was the following year that things picked up under Nelson, although Theo Foley had got a lot of the players in. Its probably true that Nelsons best move was getting David Young in which shored up the defence, even though most of us will remember more the all out attacking football. It does seem nobody who worked with Nelson had a good word to say about him.
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  • Dunphy from what I recall was considered a complete bottler on the field by Millwall fans. Had no stomach for any match which was turning a bit fiesty and I think they were a bit embarressed by him most of the time to be honest. Never liked the bloke as a person and a player and zero interest in anything he has to say. About as popular as Joey Barton, but Barton at least isn't frightened to get stuck in and probably has slightly more intelligence, and can play a bit at times, so, I'm probably doing Barton a disservice by mentioning him in the same breath !

    Apart from that, what a lovely bloke.
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    I think Dunphy came along in 73-4, and to be honest at that time Charlton had stagnated for so long that the description of them as a "dead club" was probably true. It was the following year that things picked up under Nelson, although Theo Foley had got a lot of the players in. Its probably true that Nelsons best move was getting David Young in which shored up the defence, even though most of us will remember more the all out attacking football. It does seem nobody who worked with Nelson had a good word to say about him.</</b>blockquote>



    Alf Ramsey made him skipper at Ipswich so presumably he did

  • Over here in Ireland people either really love or really hate Dunphey. im in the latter camp. Guy's a grade a tosser.
  • I think Dunphy came along in 73-4, and to be honest at that time Charlton had stagnated for so long that the description of them as a "dead club" was probably true. It was the following year that things picked up under Nelson, although Theo Foley had got a lot of the players in. Its probably true that Nelsons best move was getting David Young in which shored up the defence, even though most of us will remember more the all out attacking football. It does seem nobody who worked with Nelson had a good word to say about him.

    Village idiots the lot of 'em ;-)
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    LenGlover said:

    I think Dunphy came along in 73-4, and to be honest at that time Charlton had stagnated for so long that the description of them as a "dead club" was probably true. It was the following year that things picked up under Nelson, although Theo Foley had got a lot of the players in. Its probably true that Nelsons best move was getting David Young in which shored up the defence, even though most of us will remember more the all out attacking football. It does seem nobody who worked with Nelson had a good word to say about him.</</b>blockquote>



    Alf Ramsey made him skipper at Ipswich so presumably he did

    I think in the context of Charlton, Dunphy's description matches the other versions that players from the time speak about.

    He refers to Nelson being given money and claims that Foley wasn't .Personally I only remember David Young being signed for money and later Harry Cripps coming in on a free.He also concedes that in the short term he was successful.Also it is interesting to note Dunphy himself was bought for £15,000 by Theo.

    He speaks about when he first joined Charlton that most of the players didn't perform well in the away games comparing them to his former Millwall colleague Brian Dear who apparently did not play well north of Watford Gap.He then tells the story of Foley's dismissal following the heavy defeat at Grimsby when the players apparently complained about being given short sleeved shirts. This is also factually inaccurate as Theo survived another three games.
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  • LenGlover said:

    I think Dunphy came along in 73-4, and to be honest at that time Charlton had stagnated for so long that the description of them as a "dead club" was probably true. It was the following year that things picked up under Nelson, although Theo Foley had got a lot of the players in. Its probably true that Nelsons best move was getting David Young in which shored up the defence, even though most of us will remember more the all out attacking football. It does seem nobody who worked with Nelson had a good word to say about him.</</b>blockquote>


    Alf Ramsey made him skipper at Ipswich so presumably he did

    I'm sure he spoke highly of him...

    What I was getting at was the fact that, apart from the last couple of years (the village idiot era), Nelson's reign was a mini golden age after years of shite. But, it seems none of the players had much time for him at all, whereas Gliksten seemed to be well liked by all who met him, even those like Mullery and Dunphy who didn't have the happiest of times with us. This was in contrast the fans burning him in effigy every fortnight of course.
  • Oh Jesus! That is brilliant!
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    cant beat this one


    you tube drunk dunphy on rte
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