Pards seems able to make changes at half time that put things right and change the course of the game. Curbs never quite seemed to do this - you'd hope they'd come out with a better plan, but usually didn't and sometimes they were worse!
Even when the changes are enforced eg Song's injury, it never seems to phaze him - always a man with a plan, which is reassuring for us and must be for the team too.
Curbs has continually moaned about not having a settled side at WHU - since when have we had one?!!
Sadly for us the biggest difference I see between the two is that Pards has far more personal ambition.
After saving us this season, UEFA spot next season along with a cup final, I'm afraid he WILL go when a "bigger" club comes calling.
I won't blame him either. There is hardly any loyalty in life these days, let alone football, and you have to look after number one.
[cite]Posted By: DJ Davey Dave[/cite] I'm afraid he WILL go when a "bigger" club comes calling.
I won't blame him either. There is hardly any loyalty in life these days, let alone football, and you have to look after number one.
Praps, he's been burned by West Ham, has a new perspective on loyalty, and appreciates the offer of loyalty CAFC have shown him and will repay this in the future. Praps.
[cite]Posted By: DJ Davey Dave[/cite]Sorry Raz but I do not see my post as negitive. Kinns and Robbo will be the new Clough and Taylor by then with Chris Powell on board too.
Someone here was suggesting a few weeks ago that Chris Powell is probably a bit too nice to be a manager, which may be true. However, if he was up for it, I think he'd be good as the new Keith Peacock - the ego-stroking, softer side of the management team if you like.
I think that Curbs is a team builder and bases his approach around picking players who motivate themselves. Pards on the other hand is a motivator. Pards has better inter-personal skills than Curbs but Curbs is probably a more effective leader as he keeps his players on their toes by remaining difficult to get really close to.
I think those who say that Curbs is a defensive manager have some very short memories. I give you the Lisbie hat-trick game against Liverpool. The 2-2 draw against Man U, the play off final, some of the early games last season. It just ain't true. What is true is that Pards is a poker player whereas Curbs is a bridge player. Curbs would organise things to eliminate mistakes because he hates giving away goals cheaply. You only have to look at the way Curbs teams defend free kicks to see that. The wall is lined up by an outfield player rather than the keeper and the attacker is directed to "aim" at a small target in the top corner of the goal.
I am a huge admirer of Curbs, although I felt it was the right time for both the club and him when he left, and I think Bing is correct in some of what he says because from 00/01 through till 03/04, as well as the 99/00 promotion season, we did play some really good stuff at times and it was exciting to watch. However, in the post-Parker period, except for the great start in 05/06, we were generally very poor to watch and very defensive even in home games against mediocre opposition. I think Curbs, like Graham at Arsenal in the 90's, became so skilled at grinding out results to get us to 45+ points and safety that it became his default mechanism and subsequently his regular tactics. By contrast, Pardew looks to have a more fluid approach but with a lot more steel that Dowie's laissez-faire style which created the complete shambles that we saw at the start of the season.
Pardew seems to know which players are up to Premiership standard and which aren't. I notice Hughes has been conspicious by his absence in our recent good run - Pardew obviously saw enough and realised he had to bring in a stronger option in that area - hence the arrival of Song.
I think Curbs became more defensive as he went along, reasoning that a team that let in few goals always had a chance in a low scoring game. But also I suspect because other than Darren Bent we didn't have a natural goal scorer Bartlett, JJ, Lisbie etc never looked like being free scoring forwards and for a couple of years our top scorer was Jason Euell an attacking midfielder rather than a forward.
Both Curbs and Pardew are good managers and comparing styles is difficult as both have strengths and weaknesses. Curbs is a good team builder rather than a wheeler-dealer and has a solid history of constructing teams around that central core - good keeper, CB, midfielder and a forward. Dean Kiely pointed out a few weeks back that the Charlton side of a few years back virtually picked itself and was a mirror image of Curbs himself, not flashy, hard-working players who knew their jobs. Pardew's second season of Premiership management should be seen in two halves, at West Ham it was shaping up to be a disaster, while coming to Charlton it has been redeemed. Both I think are good judges of players, but maybe Pardew is more able to get the best out of average players.
[cite]Posted By: kinveachyaddick[/cite]Pardew seems to know which players are up to Premiership standard and which aren't.
I notice Hughes has been conspicious by his absence in our recent good run - Pardew obviously saw enough and realised he had to bring in a stronger option in that area - hence the arrival of Song.
A very good point. And whilst he always gave his all, Kish is also not premiership standard and has been loaned out.
A very good point. And whilst he always gave his all, Kish is also not premiership standard and has been loaned out.
Oh you're brave Chris!!! I see you made sure Len wasn't on line before you posted. ;-)
Kish may be past his best now, even though he played well against Bolton, Blackburn and Fulham at home this season, but you don't last six and a half seasons in the Premiership if you are not up to the required standard.
I trust Pardew's judgement and if he says Kish is past it then that will do for me.
Regarding Curbishley he played the way he had to play to keep us in the Prem. He lost more than half of the 2003/4 team that finished 7th in a short space of time.
Curbs was magnificent for us and that should never be forgotten.
Pardew though is showing signs of being a more than worthy replacement.
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Curbs has continually moaned about not having a settled side at WHU - since when have we had one?!!
After saving us this season, UEFA spot next season along with a cup final, I'm afraid he WILL go when a "bigger" club comes calling.
I won't blame him either. There is hardly any loyalty in life these days, let alone football, and you have to look after number one.
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I think he probably had to come off.
If saying we'll stay up this year and get into the Uefa cup and a cup final next year is being negative then call me ooahmortimer any day of the week!
Pardew's attitude and adventure is so refreshing.
Praps, he's been burned by West Ham, has a new perspective on loyalty, and appreciates the offer of loyalty CAFC have shown him and will repay this in the future. Praps.
The future's bright...
I think those who say that Curbs is a defensive manager have some very short memories. I give you the Lisbie hat-trick game against Liverpool. The 2-2 draw against Man U, the play off final, some of the early games last season. It just ain't true. What is true is that Pards is a poker player whereas Curbs is a bridge player. Curbs would organise things to eliminate mistakes because he hates giving away goals cheaply. You only have to look at the way Curbs teams defend free kicks to see that. The wall is lined up by an outfield player rather than the keeper and the attacker is directed to "aim" at a small target in the top corner of the goal.
However, in the post-Parker period, except for the great start in 05/06, we were generally very poor to watch and very defensive even in home games against mediocre opposition.
I think Curbs, like Graham at Arsenal in the 90's, became so skilled at grinding out results to get us to 45+ points and safety that it became his default mechanism and subsequently his regular tactics.
By contrast, Pardew looks to have a more fluid approach but with a lot more steel that Dowie's laissez-faire style which created the complete shambles that we saw at the start of the season.
I notice Hughes has been conspicious by his absence in our recent good run - Pardew obviously saw enough and realised he had to bring in a stronger option in that area - hence the arrival of Song.
Both Curbs and Pardew are good managers and comparing styles is difficult as both have strengths and weaknesses. Curbs is a good team builder rather than a wheeler-dealer and has a solid history of constructing teams around that central core - good keeper, CB, midfielder and a forward. Dean Kiely pointed out a few weeks back that the Charlton side of a few years back virtually picked itself and was a mirror image of Curbs himself, not flashy, hard-working players who knew their jobs. Pardew's second season of Premiership management should be seen in two halves, at West Ham it was shaping up to be a disaster, while coming to Charlton it has been redeemed. Both I think are good judges of players, but maybe Pardew is more able to get the best out of average players.
A very good point. And whilst he always gave his all, Kish is also not premiership standard and has been loaned out.
Oh you're brave Chris!!! I see you made sure Len wasn't on line before you posted. ;-)
Pards puts on a game and entertains. Curbs made us suffer a match (evn if this wasn't true pre-Parker I think 2 years of that crap was enough).
Kish may be past his best now, even though he played well against Bolton, Blackburn and Fulham at home this season, but you don't last six and a half seasons in the Premiership if you are not up to the required standard.
I trust Pardew's judgement and if he says Kish is past it then that will do for me.
Regarding Curbishley he played the way he had to play to keep us in the Prem. He lost more than half of the 2003/4 team that finished 7th in a short space of time.
Curbs was magnificent for us and that should never be forgotten.
Pardew though is showing signs of being a more than worthy replacement.