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Under 21 Play Off Final: Cardiff 1-3 Charlton aet - post match remarks

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  • Piggot wears no 11 - so enthused by his development this year. IMO good impact sub next year or league 1 loan first half of next season.

    fair play to him! Really pushed on this season. Can't wait til these guys get old enough/good enough for our first team. Think a few, more than usual will come from this team, added to Joe Gomez and Archie Edwards... The future's looking exciting.
  • what was the team today please
  • redman said:

    what was the team today please

    Look at the match thread.

    Thanks LL for the updates.

  • A massive congratulations to all the lads and coaching staff yesterday, a huge team effort which you so rightly deserved after the season you have just had... CHAMPIONNEEES

    U21's Southern League Champions
    U21's National League Champions
    Kent Senior Cup Champions

    Yesterdays game, I'll try and put a different slant on this...

    The Teams

    Overage players
    CAFC 1x 23yr v CCFC 1 x 25yrs, 2 x 23yrs........ just as an aside they paid £3m for the 25yr old!

    1st Team or other FA league appearances, totals for both of the teams whose players made it onto the pitch yesterday
    CAFC = 119 v CCFC = 328... 6 of their squad made regular 1st team appearances this year

    Average age of teams yesterday
    CAFC 19.01 v CCFC 20.09

    An overwhelming thumbs up to the Academy, not least to Nathan Jones who in his 1st year with the academy, has come in and really moved this squad on and moulded them into a very special unit of players this season. Previously under the experienced coaching and management of Paul Hart and Steve Avory, they were already very good, now theyr'e really, really, very good!!

    Another example of why the academy should be playing Category 1 status football and definitely not Category 2!!!!!!!!!!

    And under the Fair play Finance ruling all clubs now have to adhere too i.e. not overspending on bringing players in, an even more compelling reason to give these players some 1st team football

    While we a re at it let's take a moment to reflect on the U18's fantasdtic achievement this year
    Southern League Champions
    and also congratulations to the new raft of scholars we have just signed...fantastic!

    TRIPLE A* The futures Bright, The futures the CAFC ACADEMY !!!
  • The futre's bright, the future's RED n WHITE
  • Interesting slant, Mad. Maybe these stats show how cautious we are about playing our own youth products, and have been for the last 10 years. I don't think it would have done any harm to use one or two of them (Fox, Jordan and Smith) instead of the loanees. I don't go along with the theory that youngsters always have to go out on loan to a lower league club either, Harriott didn't go out on loan, and he didn't seem to find any problem stepping up.
  • Interesting slant, Mad. Maybe these stats show how cautious we are about playing our own youth products, and have been for the last 10 years. I don't think it would have done any harm to use one or two of them (Fox, Jordan and Smith) instead of the loanees. I don't go along with the theory that youngsters always have to go out on loan to a lower league club either, Harriott didn't go out on loan, and he didn't seem to find any problem stepping up.

    Agree we've been very cautious with giving them a chance. I'm not even convinced that's going to change under Powell, as the focus is going to be on challenging for promotion. If we get to the Prem, only the very best young players are going to have a chance of playing for the first team.

    The stand out talents will always break through if they are there, but it's developing others into Champ/Prem standard players that we don't always do so well. I've seen the odd youth cup and reserve game each year over the last few seasons, the current group includes a lot of players that could go either way, just as those teams did.

    Sometimes players just need an opportunity. Last season Harriott spent time on bench for the U18s while Azeez, Pigott and Sho-Silva started games. This season he played regularly for the U21s and eventually got a chance in the first team. Don't think anyone would disagree that he's looked the best player we've had at left midfield all season. Others like Mambo never got that chance, he stepped up to League 1 this season and may have done well in the first team with a run of games.
  • Congratulations to all the lads at under 21 and under 18 level....outstanding!
  • Harriott seemingly lost his way a bit last year - took a lot of effort from management to get him back on track so let's not underestimate their input and commitment to bringing the youngsters through.
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  • I think our Academy is brilliantly managed, but Mad's stats show that although our under-21's are better than Cardiff's, their first-team is better than ours, and their first-team was much more reliant on their under-21's than ours.
  • http://mauveandyellowarmy.net/not-a-great-day-on-or-off-the-pitch-but-then-we-have-been-spoilt-lately-on-it-anyway/

    Some decent words on Charlton from a Cardiff blog

    It would appear that City put an awful lot into the game at Leicester and some of their players looked a bit “leggy” as the game went on (e.g. Rhys Healey) – strange therefore that we didn’t see a City substitution until the last ten minutes of extra time, by which time, the game was as good as over. So, it seems to me that City could have been more effective opponents for Charlton, but, to be honest, I’d say that result wouldn’t have been too different however we’d deployed our players, because Charlton were simply better than us on the day and the 3-1 scoreline didn’t flatter them at all.

    With their first team not finishing too far away from the Play Off’s, their Under 21′s winning a national competition and their Under 18′s winning their league, Charlton look an impressive and well run club at the moment. With the talent they have coming through, I think we can expect them to make a real challenge for a Premiership place in the not too distant future. In particular, their attacking duo Michael Smith and Joe Piggott, well supported by first team regular Callum Harriott, caused us plenty of problems with all three of them looking fine footballers in the making.
  • 'The Times They Are a Changing'...we have all seen how the old system has let good quality players down, had the EPPP been in place 2 years ago perhaps we wouldn't be dealing with the attrition of the likes of Scott Wagstaff home grown talent and clearly loved by club and fans...still can't get my heads around this one!

    moving on the EPPP is here and it's here to stay, and as far as I can see, it has lots of good points about it for the developing player - with the exception of fair remuneration from higher category clubs when they come in for one of our boys, but this deserves another thread- so we might as well get used to it!

    Coupled with the FA Fair Play Finance policy vision which all clubs are now going to have operate within, in order to develop and bring through home grown talent rather than buying in each season, the sooner we get on board with it the better - 'cos it ain't going away peoples- and those clubs who get around to it too late will eventually find it harder to compete at the same level as those that embraced it from the outset.

    Simple analogy, these days, Life and changes happen almost at the speed of light, blink and you missed them. The internet - still in it's relative infancy - is now a fundamental part of everyday life in the way we communicate, work and survive, Comet group - remember them? they were probably UK's largest electrical retail group, they misguidedly decided to stick with the old regime of high street shops only and chose to ignore working with new ideas of e-commerce and the internet which all of it's fellow high street retailers, Curry's etc accepted early on, was the new way of working, just 6 yrs on, Comet were simply unable to compete anymore.

    Like the internet the EPPP and FFPP are here and they are already 1 season old, many clubs got on board early and have looked within the structure of their club and academy for 1st team players this season, there are many examples but probably the best one would be Cardiff, who have utilised at least 8 of their academy in regular 1st team appearances this season and we all know where they are going!


    Of course, it is important and fundamental to bring in experience where we need it, but because the environment the club operates in is has changed, we now have to balance that experience with our own developed assets to ensure we stay ahead of the competition...

    I'd rather be a Curry than a Comet :)
  • vff said:

    http://mauveandyellowarmy.net/not-a-great-day-on-or-off-the-pitch-but-then-we-have-been-spoilt-lately-on-it-anyway/

    Some decent words on Charlton from a Cardiff blog

    It would appear that City put an awful lot into the game at Leicester and some of their players looked a bit “leggy” as the game went on (e.g. Rhys Healey) – strange therefore that we didn’t see a City substitution until the last ten minutes of extra time, by which time, the game was as good as over. So, it seems to me that City could have been more effective opponents for Charlton, but, to be honest, I’d say that result wouldn’t have been too different however we’d deployed our players, because Charlton were simply better than us on the day and the 3-1 scoreline didn’t flatter them at all.

    With their first team not finishing too far away from the Play Off’s, their Under 21′s winning a national competition and their Under 18′s winning their league, Charlton look an impressive and well run club at the moment. With the talent they have coming through, I think we can expect them to make a real challenge for a Premiership place in the not too distant future. In particular, their attacking duo Michael Smith and Joe Piggott, well supported by first team regular Callum Harriott, caused us plenty of problems with all three of them looking fine footballers in the making.

    That's a pretty fair sum up of how the game went,thought ourl lads fitness was good and good to hear an un biased view.
  • Managed to catch the first 80 minutes of this. The fitness level of these lads is outstanding. Pigott was terrific, the big man Ajayi as well, his battle with the tiny, spritely Cardiff attacker was great entertainment. I thought Pope in goal as well showed tremendous promise. Never seen a young goalkeeper attack the role with such gusto, he wanted the ball every time his goal was threatened. He'll be really good if Saturday was any indication.
  • Just been given 5 programmes (Folded A4 sheets) with colour photos, player biogs and list of players by Chris "Mr Charlton" Parkes.

    £5 each inc P & P All money for the upbeats.

    First come, first served.
  • Me please 'enry.
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