He seemed very very happy that he was on track to reach this years objective
Thats why i struggle with the criticism i never saw this season or next tbh as a promotion season and i fail to understand the need to rush back to the prem as we would not be anywhere near ready as a club to maximise the opportunity of promotion to the prem
I've spoken with Mark Bright a couple of times over the years and he was genuinely chuffed about his time with us. He'll often mention us on TV. Really don't get the negativity to him.
It's a shame the BBC didn't come up with this 1962 footage when we did the centenary DVD - the pictures of Leary and of Hewie in goal would have been great, and Mike Bailey was also in the team. We were desperately short of film from this era. From recollection it was expensive to copy what they did have on to videotape, but I don't think this was ever listed and it would have been well worthwhile.
Just watched on i player.
What a treat!
My first sight of Leary the footballer (as opposed to the cricketer) and contributions from John Hewie (in goal), Brian Kinsey and Dennis "Daisy" Edwards all of whom I saw live a season or so later.
Catch it if you can. Killer is our all time leading scorer in all matches but Stuart Leary scored the most goals purely in league matches. Although the film is only 2 minutes or so you get an idea of how good he was at timing his runs as well as finishing.
That was a good episode, and not just because of the high Charlton content. With the series starting so near the end of the season, they won't be able to have all the local managers on the programme which is a shame.
A very good discussion with SCP in the studio, some interesting questions and answers. How good that :-) a) His skin colour wasn't mentioned b) Paulo di Canio wasn't mentioned.
I've been impressed by Jacqui Oatley as a presenter. I hadn't realised she was at the Valley on Saturday. We need to get her back more often...
Jacqui Oatley @JacquiOatley 6 Apr I walked into Charlton press room to be informed that #CAFC always win when I'm here. Not sure that explains their woeful home form
On the subject of archive material, I used to be on a mailing list to do with The Move, the great 60's band. There were attempts to compile a DVD of old performances, and I think the Beeb wanted in the region of a couple of grand per minute of film. For something that was realistically not going to shift an awful lot of copies wasn't worth pursuing.
Had to laugh at Scally's aspirations of Gillingham getting to the Premier League.
Yes that was funny. Though in 20 years time when 1000s of Gillingham supporters are catching coaches from Greenwich and Bexleyheath to their 30000 PL stadium, he'll have the last laugh :-)
Had to laugh at Scally's aspirations of Gillingham getting to the Premier League.
misquoted. He was looking forward to the day when his squad can stay at a Premier Inn before they play Accrington Stanley and the days of 20 sweaty blokes crammed into the club caravan will truly be over.
The most interesting thing that came out of that interview for me was the answer to the question "why did Curb's teams always have an end of season slide" and the answer was that Curbs targeted a points total and once that was reached the team slackened off.
The most interesting thing that came out of that interview for me was the answer to the question "why did Curb's teams always have an end of season slide" and the answer was that Curbs targeted a points total and once that was reached the team slackened off.
yup, very interesting comment.
Loved the 1962 footage at the Valley.
Targets are nearly always a very bad idea in all walks of life. (As the patients at Mid Staffs NHS will testify when good care was neglected in order to meet waiting time targets). There's something called Goodhart's Law which is really to do with economics and how setting targets always distorts what else is going on around them. There are two interesting things about it. First, it applies to the real world (like football points totals) not just the esoteric world of economics. So a manager with a target of not getting relegated may go out and buy a good defender when buying a good attacker instead may have meant that the team would have been challenging for a european slot rather than missing relegation on the last day of the season. Second, there's also a Reverse Goodhart's Law which indicates that things get back to normal once a target has been removed. That, I'd suggest, doesn't work in football because by the time the target has been reached, it's too late to change mindsets and the transfer window has shut!. All football managers and chairmen (and politicians) should be directed towards the simple truth of Charles Goodhart's law and the consequences of setting targets.
The most interesting thing that came out of that interview for me was the answer to the question "why did Curb's teams always have an end of season slide" and the answer was that Curbs targeted a points total and once that was reached the team slackened off.
yup, very interesting comment.
Loved the 1962 footage at the Valley.
Targets are nearly always a very bad idea in all walks of life. (As the patients at Mid Staffs NHS will testify when good care was neglected in order to meet waiting time targets). There's something called Goodhart's Law which is really to do with economics and how setting targets always distorts what else is going on around them. There are two interesting things about it. First, it applies to the real world (like football points totals) not just the esoteric world of economics. So a manager with a target of not getting relegated may go out and buy a good defender when buying a good attacker instead may have meant that the team would have been challenging for a european slot rather than missing relegation on the last day of the season. Second, there's also a Reverse Goodhart's Law which indicates that things get back to normal once a target has been removed. That, I'd suggest, doesn't work in football because by the time the target has been reached, it's too late to change mindsets and the transfer window has shut!. All football managers and chairmen (and politicians) should be directed towards the simple truth of Charles Goodhart's law and the consequences of setting targets.
Interesting stuff cafcfan. Thanks for posting that.
It tends to be the case that once you set targets the system naturally optimises around meeting those targets.
Police are measured by convictions, hence they target easy convictions over other activities. Why spend time, money and resources trying to solve one murder when you could nab 100 drivers for speeding instead? The target is the problem, the police should be there to protect and serve, to see justice done, not compete for high scores in the conviction tables.
Schools are measured by exam results, hence pupils are trained to pass exams, and exams boards who's papers are most receptive to that method of eduction are selected by more schools.
It's a very 90s mindset. Everything must be measured and quantified. Good service/education/etc. doesn't matter as long as we can quantify how good/bad it is. This of course adds a level of bureaucracy, a needless middle management that doesn't nothing but measure and report. The NHS was the first public service to get clogged up in this way, and schools have followed suite. Gone are the days of a head master/mistress who was a teacher, they are now managers, measuring the performance of staff and pupils and very little else.
Maybe they are in some clever theoretical world, but not in business they're not. If you don't have properly thought out targets and budgets then you're fucked. And that's not much good to anyone.
Maybe they are in some clever theoretical world, but not in business they're not. If you don't have properly thought out targets and budgets then you're fucked. And that's not much good to anyone.
I think you are perhaps not taking account of the difference between "targets" and "measures". Measures are different and entirely acceptable. It is very important indeed that people in business understand that or, as you say, you will be fucked. Goodhart's actual law is any observed statistical regularity will tend to collapse once pressure is placed upon it for control purposes. It has since been restated, in a perhaps better way as when a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure. So, for example, if you pay executives high bonuses for meeting short-term sales targets, they are likely to do just that, but posssibly (probably?) at the expense of long-term profitability. Funding fire brigades by the number of fire calls made would be intended to reward those that do the most work. However, it may discourage them from fire-prevention activities, which reduce the number of fires. Maybe the most amusing example is from 19th century China, where palaeontologists paid peasants according to the targetted number of fossil fragments they found. The peasants duly dug up superb, large fossils and smashed them to much smaller pieces to maximise income. Of course the destroyed fossils were useless for scientific research.
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Love Chris Powell. Can't for the life of me work out how anyone can't, let alone fellow Charlton fans.
He's the best advert for our club we've ever had.
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I noted that. Nice one stubbers !
Love Chris Powell. Can't for the life of me work out how anyone can't, let alone fellow Charlton fans.
He's the best advert for our club we've ever had.
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The perfect manager for us with the current circumstances off the pitch.
You can only feel that what ever does (or doesn't) happen off the field that CP will always have the clubs best interests at heart.
Thats why i struggle with the criticism i never saw this season or next tbh as a promotion season and i fail to understand the need to rush back to the prem as we would not be anywhere near ready as a club to maximise the opportunity of promotion to the prem
What a treat!
My first sight of Leary the footballer (as opposed to the cricketer) and contributions from John Hewie (in goal), Brian Kinsey and Dennis "Daisy" Edwards all of whom I saw live a season or so later.
Catch it if you can. Killer is our all time leading scorer in all matches but Stuart Leary scored the most goals purely in league matches. Although the film is only 2 minutes or so you get an idea of how good he was at timing his runs as well as finishing.
Jaqui Oatley needs to replace Manish on the other one.
A very good discussion with SCP in the studio, some interesting questions and answers. How good that :-)
a) His skin colour wasn't mentioned
b) Paulo di Canio wasn't mentioned.
I've been impressed by Jacqui Oatley as a presenter. I hadn't realised she was at the Valley on Saturday. We need to get her back more often...
He was looking forward to the day when his squad can stay at a Premier Inn before they play Accrington Stanley and the days of 20 sweaty blokes crammed into the club caravan will truly be over.
Loved the 1962 footage at the Valley.
There's something called Goodhart's Law which is really to do with economics and how setting targets always distorts what else is going on around them.
There are two interesting things about it. First, it applies to the real world (like football points totals) not just the esoteric world of economics. So a manager with a target of not getting relegated may go out and buy a good defender when buying a good attacker instead may have meant that the team would have been challenging for a european slot rather than missing relegation on the last day of the season.
Second, there's also a Reverse Goodhart's Law which indicates that things get back to normal once a target has been removed. That, I'd suggest, doesn't work in football because by the time the target has been reached, it's too late to change mindsets and the transfer window has shut!.
All football managers and chairmen (and politicians) should be directed towards the simple truth of Charles Goodhart's law and the consequences of setting targets.
Police are measured by convictions, hence they target easy convictions over other activities. Why spend time, money and resources trying to solve one murder when you could nab 100 drivers for speeding instead? The target is the problem, the police should be there to protect and serve, to see justice done, not compete for high scores in the conviction tables.
Schools are measured by exam results, hence pupils are trained to pass exams, and exams boards who's papers are most receptive to that method of eduction are selected by more schools.
It's a very 90s mindset. Everything must be measured and quantified. Good service/education/etc. doesn't matter as long as we can quantify how good/bad it is. This of course adds a level of bureaucracy, a needless middle management that doesn't nothing but measure and report. The NHS was the first public service to get clogged up in this way, and schools have followed suite. Gone are the days of a head master/mistress who was a teacher, they are now managers, measuring the performance of staff and pupils and very little else.
Maybe they are in some clever theoretical world, but not in business they're not. If you don't have properly thought out targets and budgets then you're fucked. And that's not much good to anyone.
Goodhart's actual law is any observed statistical regularity will tend to collapse once pressure is placed upon it for control purposes.
It has since been restated, in a perhaps better way as when a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure.
So, for example, if you pay executives high bonuses for meeting short-term sales targets, they are likely to do just that, but posssibly (probably?) at the expense of long-term profitability.
Funding fire brigades by the number of fire calls made would be intended to reward those that do the most work. However, it may discourage them from fire-prevention activities, which reduce the number of fires.
Maybe the most amusing example is from 19th century China, where palaeontologists paid peasants according to the targetted number of fossil fragments they found. The peasants duly dug up superb, large fossils and smashed them to much smaller pieces to maximise income. Of course the destroyed fossils were useless for scientific research.
Back to CAFC. Rhoys Wiggins said that Powell had given the team the aim to go unbeaten for the remaining 8 games of the season.
So far, so good.
What does OGSM mean?
You have all to avoid the problems stated above.