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New Premiership TV deal next season

Apart from the figures and facts from the deal there seems to be very little interest in the actual implications of what it will bring for the teams outside of it.

The club finishing 20th next season will win more prize money than the club crowned as champions this season. Parachute payments will also increase as a result.

You have the examples of the relegated teams this season as a comfort, Rhodes for £8m etc but over time these exceptions will surely become less and less.
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  • The money will just go on higher player wages. The teams below the prem will have to try and compete bringing more debt.
  • Means more risks will be taken by Championship teams to try and get the 'big money' in the Prem. Can see some major losers when teams lose in the play-offs.
  • nichorob said:

    Apart from the figures and facts from the deal there seems to be very little interest in the actual implications of what it will bring for the teams outside of it.

    The club finishing 20th next season will win more prize money than the club crowned as champions this season. Parachute payments will also increase as a result.

    You have the examples of the relegated teams this season as a comfort, Rhodes for £8m etc but over time these exceptions will surely become less and less.

    That is going to make clubs take out even more silly loans and pay even higher wages and if that club goes down the money in the Football League is still the same low level. That club does not come back and they fall into virtual financial mealt down. Fantastic example of that.... Pompey! Look at them now. League 2 at best just 3 years after relegation from the Premier League and winning the FA Cup 5 years ago.
  • http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2294521/Nick-Harris-West-Ham-mortgage-60m-TV-money-bid-manage-debts.html




    West Ham have reached an agreement with an offshore lending company in the British Virgin Islands to borrow all £60million of their next season's Premier League television money in advance, Inside Sport can reveal.

    The deal with the Vibrac Corporation was sealed six months ago on September 10, and the associated paperwork, which has been filed at Companies House, shows Vibrac have effectively become a 'payday loan' firm for the Hammers to help them manage their debts, which currently stand at a net £70m.

    Astonishingly, one source claims the practice of mortgaging TV revenue is becoming 'really common in the Premier League'.

    He added: 'We think there are six other clubs currently doing it.'

    If West Ham retain their Premier League status as expected, their income from Premier League TV cash alone will be at least £60m in the 2013-14 season.

    That is the maximum sum West Ham will be able to have advanced to them from Vibrac once safety is a mathematical certainty.

    The club have already drawn a chunk of cash under the agreement, believed to be around £10m, and this has been used to help repay historic debt inherited when co-owners David Sullivan and David Gold bought the club three years ago.

    The maximum sum West Ham could have drawn so far on the deal is £16m, which is the amount they are guaranteed to get from the Premier League next season in 'parachute' money, even if relegated this season.

    Arguably the most extraordinary part of the Vibrac agreement is it illustrates that despite all the riches available to members of England's elite division, many clubs still need to borrow more to stay on top of their finances.

    It is known that Southampton and Everton are among others who have used Vibrac in a similar fashion.

    The most infamous example of a club borrowing big sums against future income was at Leeds under Peter Ridsdale in 2001 as they 'lived the dream'.

    In that case, Leeds borrowed £60m against future gate receipts - and ended up in meltdown.

    West Ham's debts topped £100m when Sullivan and Gold took over, and the latest available club accounts, for 2011-12, show Gold and Sullivan injected £32.2m of their own money in loans in that period.

    This was in the wake of relegation in 2011 and helped fund their immediate return to the Premier League.

    West Ham insiders stress that the Vibrac arrangement is simply a tool to help manage old debt, and not a sign of crisis.

    Staying up?: For West Ham, Premier League survival is crucial


    The revelation that they set up the facility as recently as September does underline, however, why West Ham were at the forefront of campaigners within the League's 20 clubs to bring in spending restrictions on wages from next season.

    Gold has openly argued on numerous occasions that rules are needed to save football clubs from themselves.
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  • I think this is such a big deal looking at the evidence. But as this thread has proven (3 replies in a day) no one seems to be bothered!
  • I look forward to the day it implodes.
  • It's old news though. The new TV deal was announced in June last year.
  • The implications of it isn't old news though
  • Another step along the path to a stand alone Premier League with no promotion or relegation
  • edited March 2013

    Another step along the path to a stand alone Premier League with no promotion or relegation

    Certainly is unless the Championship with their near £1BN debts stand up, join the party and close the trap door to League 1!

    No relegation from the Premier League means that every club could securitise the remaining years of the SKY deal - not just the parachute money... at perhaps a 14% discount... the owners, players and agents get to share a nice big slice of action... and the clubs tip into more debt.
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  • edited March 2013
    Wonder if the pond life Whammers have actually got round to paying their debt to Sheff Utd. I doubt it.

    As far as a no-relegation PL goes, it's already only about the 4th best league in Europe. No relegation would make 90% of matches meaningless, unless they adopt some rubbish arcane system like NFL. Even their zombie audiences in Asia would surely lose interest.
  • Another step along the path to a stand alone Premier League with no promotion or relegation

    If that actually happened that for me would be the beginning of the end of the premier league. Wouldn't be interesting anymore without the great stories of promoted clubs getting results against Man U or others. Also the wonder each season who's going down.
    It might actually be a good thing for the football league, clubs knowing they are not going into the prem and a league with a more financially level playing field, with no more parachute payments to ex prem teams to help them get back (I know, the relegated teams this season have been really poor). Would still play the prem teams in cups I assume? If they don't pull out of them.

  • No promotion or relegation would kill football .the top of the prem is already too predictable.the only interesting thing is the mad scramble for safety at the bottom which always seems to go to the wire.
  • Next TV deal will make more headlines. Plenty of people inside Sky fully expecting a much, much bigger company to come in, ie. Apple, Google, Al Jazeera...
  • Al Jazeera will fit in perfectly with our new middle eastern owners then.
  • http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/19/premier-league-championship-tv-deal

    As described in a letter to Football League clubs by the chairman, Greg Clarke, relegated clubs will receive £23m in the first year (a £7m increase), £18m in the second (£5m) and £9m in years three and four. Clubs in the Championship who do not get parachute payments currently receive £2.3m a season, League One sides £325,000 and League Two sides £250,000. It is proposed that those payments are increased by around 5% under the new offer.
  • JiMMy 85 said:

    Next TV deal will make more headlines. Plenty of people inside Sky fully expecting a much, much bigger company to come in, ie. Apple, Google, Al Jazeera...

    without the football I'd cancel my sky subscription

  • Wonder if the pond life Whammers have actually got round to paying their debt to Sheff Utd. I doubt it.

    final payment due in June

  • WSS said:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2013/mar/19/premier-league-championship-tv-deal

    As described in a letter to Football League clubs by the chairman, Greg Clarke, relegated clubs will receive £23m in the first year (a £7m increase), £18m in the second (£5m) and £9m in years three and four. Clubs in the Championship who do not get parachute payments currently receive £2.3m a season, League One sides £325,000 and League Two sides £250,000. It is proposed that those payments are increased by around 5% under the new offer.

    so get relegated next season and you are guaranteed to receive 59m over the next four years during which time your Championship rivals will receive less than 10m. Surely, as long as you are sensible, you will gain promotion during those 4 years and so it starts again. Shows how imperative it is to get into the PL asap.

  • You can certainly see why there are people out there willing to buy a club and have a go at this. TJ for example.
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  • Don't the parachute payments stop if you get promoted back into the prem?
  • Don't the parachute payments stop if you get promoted back into the prem?

    Yes.
    But when you go back down the following season they start all over again :-)
  • The best thing to do is to try and sit in 10th - 20th place in The Championship for the next ten years (without getting into debt) during which time the whole system will implode, and at which time the club can then take advantage.

    In my opinion, the key is to survive without getting into debt. Other clubs will get into loads of debt and then at some point when they are going into administration, offloading players etc, the sensible clubs who have cut their cloth accordingly will be able to step in, collect the freebies and go up in a cheaper easier fashion.
  • I said it to David Dein in a letter when the Premier League was first suggested, I have said it in Goodbye Horse in days of yore, and I have said it on here. Let them f**k right off, as jblockmatt says how long would interest last in the nine or ten teams at the bottom who have no chance of competing? It is a microcosm of all that goes on in the world at the moment, also rans tugging at the coat tails of the greedy. If we all had the bollocks to tell them to stick it, they would have to think again quite quickly....
  • You can certainly see why there are people out there willing to buy a club and have a go at this. TJ for example.

    Which is a bit confusing seeing as we have got half way ... and then STOP!

  • Administration is not that much of a problem which is a big part of the problem. See Leicester, Palace, Southampton, Leeds etc for evidence.
  • You can certainly see why there are people out there willing to buy a club and have a go at this. TJ for example.

    Which is a bit confusing seeing as we have got half way ... and then STOP!

    Is it though. TJ thought he had a very rich willing to fund partner. That partner for whatever reason has departed.
  • Administration is not that much of a problem which is a big part of the problem. See Leicester, Palace, Southampton, Leeds etc for evidence.

    Yes! In the numbers gathered together for Trust News on Championship finances there are some clubs with c.70M debts and some with less than £15M... Burnley, Blackpool and Watford have little debt because they spent the Sky money well... Palace and Leeds simply wiped their creditors out...

    In my book all clubs doing this should have to start at the bottom again because the money they have paid to players to compete has helped push up the costs for everyone and yet they simply take a 10 point deduction and start again.

  • edited March 2013

    You can certainly see why there are people out there willing to buy a club and have a go at this. TJ for example.

    Which is a bit confusing seeing as we have got half way ... and then STOP!

    Is it though. TJ thought he had a very rich willing to fund partner. That partner for whatever reason has departed.
    I trust that they can find another partner quickly to pass on some / all of the BATON... hanging on can only damage the value added so far with the League 1 promotion. Many of the top players at Charlton have contracts until 2014 - we need to add to that, not wait until these deals wind down and players go.

    If the Trust can help in any way to smooth this then I am sure it will... as of last night it now has 300 members (up from 200 at end January) and nearly 2,000 email accounts / twitter followers. Once it doubles/trebles again in size it will be able to reach many of the fan base and take account of the views about financing and club ownership

  • Been said a million times already I know but until The club is either sold or TJ finds a new backer with money to gamble on hitting the PL jackpot then we won't be spending very much on anything never mind players.
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