If there are an average of 2,000 away fans at our games then we need 18,000 to get an average of 20,000... last I heard we had 24,000 seats in home areas so we need it to be 3/4 full. Not sure what the latest ruling is on counting season ticket holders and comps who don't make it but overall this is just a silly numbers game! Simplest way to sell part or all of the club is to close the gap on the top six and show that it only needs a few more players to get to the Premier League. Simplest way to improve gates year on year is to improve home form - at the moment it can only be a barrier to climbing the table and the numbers will not get better without some success.
North Lower was pretty full , Upper looked pretty much a sell out. East stand had more then normal. West looked same as always. Think 20k is about right
Utter nonsense. About 15,000 in the ground. Lower north might have been at 60-65 per cent, west stand at about 40 per cent. Just do the maths. To get 19,000 in home areas means five out of every six seats occupied, which would look like a near sell-out.
Maybe they just counted the comps - like you did when you were there?
But it was ok then, apparently.
Compared to some of the attendances that got given out last year - on your watch - I'd say that 20k was about right today.
North Lower was pretty full , Upper looked pretty much a sell out. East stand had more then normal. West looked same as always. Think 20k is about right
Utter nonsense. About 15,000 in the ground. Lower north might have been at 60-65 per cent, west stand at about 40 per cent. Just do the maths. To get 19,000 in home areas means five out of every six seats occupied, which would look like a near sell-out.
I respect yor views normally but to say the lower north was 60-65% is total crap. It was pretty much full regardless if wether they were comps or not . You are in serious danger of coming across as bitter ( some might say justifiably ) but you need to think twice about your stance on the club when commenting because the latest voice of the Valley reeks of bitterness as does some of your comments on CL. Having said all that I'm pretty much on your side regarding what has happened to you at Charlton but please be carefull what you say as it can ( and does at times ) make you look sour.
North Lower was pretty full , Upper looked pretty much a sell out. East stand had more then normal. West looked same as always. Think 20k is about right
Utter nonsense. About 15,000 in the ground. Lower north might have been at 60-65 per cent, west stand at about 40 per cent. Just do the maths. To get 19,000 in home areas means five out of every six seats occupied, which would look like a near sell-out.
I respect yor views normally but to say the lower north was 60-65% is total crap. It was pretty much full regardless if wether they were comps or not . You are in serious danger of coming across as bitter ( some might say justifiably ) but you need to think twice about your stance on the club when commenting because the latest voice of the Valley reeks of bitterness as does some of your comments on CL. Having said all that I'm pretty much on your side regarding what has happened to you at Charlton but please be carefull what you say as it can ( and does at times ) make you look sour.
If one of my employees told the world, via the internet, that my company would be lucky to last a year, I'd be pretty pissed off.
North Lower was pretty full , Upper looked pretty much a sell out. East stand had more then normal. West looked same as always. Think 20k is about right
Utter nonsense. About 15,000 in the ground. Lower north might have been at 60-65 per cent, west stand at about 40 per cent. Just do the maths. To get 19,000 in home areas means five out of every six seats occupied, which would look like a near sell-out.
15,000 in the ground now thats utter nonsense. Majority on here agree there was in the ground today. So are you saying the club are forcifying the amount of tickets being sold?
I am not convinced that today was much more than half full
North Lower was pretty full , Upper looked pretty much a sell out. East stand had more then normal. West looked same as always. Think 20k is about right
Utter nonsense. About 15,000 in the ground. Lower north might have been at 60-65 per cent, west stand at about 40 per cent. Just do the maths. To get 19,000 in home areas means five out of every six seats occupied, which would look like a near sell-out.
I respect yor views normally but to say the lower north was 60-65% is total crap. It was pretty much full regardless if wether they were comps or not . You are in serious danger of coming across as bitter ( some might say justifiably ) but you need to think twice about your stance on the club when commenting because the latest voice of the Valley reeks of bitterness as does some of your comments on CL. Having said all that I'm pretty much on your side regarding what has happened to you at Charlton but please be carefull what you say as it can ( and does at times ) make you look sour.
From my view in the East I make AB about right. Yes, less empty than normal but "pretty much full", never. Sorry!
North Lower was pretty full , Upper looked pretty much a sell out. East stand had more then normal. West looked same as always. Think 20k is about right
Utter nonsense. About 15,000 in the ground. Lower north might have been at 60-65 per cent, west stand at about 40 per cent. Just do the maths. To get 19,000 in home areas means five out of every six seats occupied, which would look like a near sell-out.
I respect yor views normally but to say the lower north was 60-65% is total crap. It was pretty much full regardless if wether they were comps or not . You are in serious danger of coming across as bitter ( some might say justifiably ) but you need to think twice about your stance on the club when commenting because the latest voice of the Valley reeks of bitterness as does some of your comments on CL. Having said all that I'm pretty much on your side regarding what has happened to you at Charlton but please be carefull what you say as it can ( and does at times ) make you look sour.
I have a very good view of the lower north and can assure you it was nowhere near full and that was obvious from looking at it. What is true is that the fans were evenly spread across the stand, so there were no big empty sections. But there were many, many empty seats. As I've said before, I also have the advantage of having seen and studied the detailed turnstile counts for each stand and therefore the stand by stand occupancy rate for many years. It is always lower than you would think.
Have a look at the footage of the Haynes headed chance in the first half, as shown on the Football League show. There are plenty of empty seats just in the section of the lower north you can see and many are in the central blocks.
On that basis the rest of your comments are just irrelevant to this issue, as well as out of line with dozens of comments received about the Voice. People will always see such things from different perspectives, indeed those who know what has gone on and continues to go on around the departures last summer, as well as other matters, have told me I have been much too easy on the board. But I accept that the majority of fair-minded supporters need evidence before they will judge people. Perhaps you should bear that in mind when criticising me, however. You will see when matters come before judges that there is a lot you do not know.
North Lower was pretty full , Upper looked pretty much a sell out. East stand had more then normal. West looked same as always. Think 20k is about right
Utter nonsense. About 15,000 in the ground. Lower north might have been at 60-65 per cent, west stand at about 40 per cent. Just do the maths. To get 19,000 in home areas means five out of every six seats occupied, which would look like a near sell-out.
15,000 in the ground now thats utter nonsense. Majority on here agree there was in the ground today. So are you saying the club are forcifying the amount of tickets being sold?
I am not convinced that today was much more than half full
It's getting less and less. We're down to below 14000 now.
I think it's always difficult to judge the size of a crowd but I do find it hard to believe that there were 20k in the seats yesterday. Even if I'm wrong and there were that many I find it baffling that we are attracting such numbers given our home form. It's damned hard work getting motivated to visit The Valley these days. The seasons end can't come quick enough tbh.
North Lower was pretty full , Upper looked pretty much a sell out. East stand had more then normal. West looked same as always. Think 20k is about right
Utter nonsense. About 15,000 in the ground. Lower north might have been at 60-65 per cent, west stand at about 40 per cent. Just do the maths. To get 19,000 in home areas means five out of every six seats occupied, which would look like a near sell-out.
Maybe they just counted the comps - like you did when you were there?
But it was ok then, apparently.
Compared to some of the attendances that got given out last year - on your watch - I'd say that 20k was about right today.
I'm sure they did count the comps and that explains part of the difference, as will absentee season tickets, but even if they'd issued 5,000 comps - which would be a silly number - you'd still expect about half to turn up on a Saturday, (based on analysis not guesswork). The very big shortfalls were always the evening games. I was speaking to a very well respected former non-exec director after the game and he raised the subject of the attendance announced because he didn't believe it either.
To be fair everyone's estimate of the number in the ground has been skewed by the disparity between the published figures and the actual. We had matches last season when there were only just 10,000 in the ground.
Maybe the trust should use it's clout the get the club to invest in some software to accurately count the crowd? Problem is, people would still want to know how many were comps. It's a nightmare! :-)
So this week 20000 crowd 900 away fans = approx 19000 CAFC but last week 18700 crowd 2700 approx away fans = approx 16000 CAFC So how after one of the worst home performances in recent years did we get 3000 extra fans. I didnt realise they gave that many tickets away, there was definately a lot more in the east, west same as normal couldn't tell about north as i am in upper, felt the same as normal though. Why would the club announce an inflated figure it just seems strange . Schoolboy accounting error most likely.
Potential investors were there hence the east stand and north lower were packed with freebies. Decent effort as both looked close to full. Goodness knows what they thought of the performance on the pitch
There were about 16,500 there. I always do a quick "count" & I'm never out by more than a few hundred :-) NB I'm not including the pigeons, who produced the 2nd best entertainment on the pitch. The ref falling over was obviously the best :-)
What was the prize for the instant jackpot yesterday, that is always a good indicator as to the crowd being bigger or lower than the previous occasion?
North Lower was pretty full , Upper looked pretty much a sell out. East stand had more then normal. West looked same as always. Think 20k is about right
Utter nonsense. About 15,000 in the ground. Lower north might have been at 60-65 per cent, west stand at about 40 per cent. Just do the maths. To get 19,000 in home areas means five out of every six seats occupied, which would look like a near sell-out.
15,000 in the ground now thats utter nonsense. Majority on here agree there was in the ground today. So are you saying the club are forcifying the amount of tickets being sold?
I am not convinced that today was much more than half full
Certainly looked a lot busier yesterday than at Forest, only the Jimmy Seed had fewer in it as Forest brought a lot. I sit in the Family area and the Lower North and East both looked a lot busier, as did the upper west. I was chatting to a couple of Swedes in the pub before and they described themselves as "football tourists"; over for the N London derby and Charlton was the best looking Saturday afternoon fixture in London. Poor sods. (It probably was: Fulham, QPR, West Ham, Millwall all away. Chelsea were at home but that's not a walk-up. I also noted a group of Norwegians in the pub and some Dutch on the train. They can't all have been going to White Hart Lane today but Charlton was the only accessible game in London in the top 2 divisions yesterday). It may not have been 20000 but it was more full than any other game this season I can recall except for Palace and Barnsley
What was the prise for the instant jackpot yesterday, that is always a good indicator as to the crowd being bigger or lower than the previous occasion?
Yeh that might probably have been our Norwegian lads in Bartrums before & Rose of Denmark after then erm Market Porter & erm we left them still drinking with a Fulham fan we collected... they like a drink! Its almost half price beer for them here. They were going to the Spuds game with my bloke today & go regularly to the Spuds. They enjoyed their day out at the Valley but will be in the Brickies singing about now.
Quick question, why don't the club give tickets away to schools and stuff every week? Surely its better to have empty seats filled and the school children will obviously want drinks, chips, chocolate etc bought for them.
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Simplest way to sell part or all of the club is to close the gap on the top six and show that it only needs a few more players to get to the Premier League. Simplest way to improve gates year on year is to improve home form - at the moment it can only be a barrier to climbing the table and the numbers will not get better without some success.
But it was ok then, apparently.
Compared to some of the attendances that got given out last year - on your watch - I'd say that 20k was about right today.
Have a look at the footage of the Haynes headed chance in the first half, as shown on the Football League show. There are plenty of empty seats just in the section of the lower north you can see and many are in the central blocks.
On that basis the rest of your comments are just irrelevant to this issue, as well as out of line with dozens of comments received about the Voice. People will always see such things from different perspectives, indeed those who know what has gone on and continues to go on around the departures last summer, as well as other matters, have told me I have been much too easy on the board. But I accept that the majority of fair-minded supporters need evidence before they will judge people. Perhaps you should bear that in mind when criticising me, however. You will see when matters come before judges that there is a lot you do not know.
There were no inflated attendance figures before the people's hero got binned. No sir.
To be fair everyone's estimate of the number in the ground has been skewed by the disparity between the published figures and the actual. We had matches last season when there were only just 10,000 in the ground.
It's very hard though to know how many comps are used. Issued yes, used no.
but last week 18700 crowd 2700 approx away fans = approx 16000 CAFC
So how after one of the worst home performances in recent years did we get 3000 extra fans. I didnt realise they gave that many tickets away, there was definately a lot more in the east, west same as normal couldn't tell about north as i am in upper, felt the same as normal though. Why would the club announce an inflated figure it just seems strange . Schoolboy accounting error most likely.
NB I'm not including the pigeons, who produced the 2nd best entertainment on the pitch.
The ref falling over was obviously the best :-)
It may not have been 20000 but it was more full than any other game this season I can recall except for Palace and Barnsley