Yann and the Hoof

Greenie

This may be controversial, especially with all the love for Yann.
But I cant help thinking that we play better football without Yann in the starting 11.
Don't get me wrong, I love Yann's commitment and power, but I think we revert to the long ball too much. And it dont work.
I would like to see Fuller and Haynes up top, or Hulse and Haynes/Fuller. Yann to come on from the bench.
There I said it (dons Tin Hat).

dickplumb

I totally agree with you.The Hulse Haynes axis seems the best option,with Fuller struggling with injury.

Mortimerician

He's our best player.

bristoladdick

Agreed. Hulse and Haynes (or Fuller) seems the best option.

thenewbie

I think the resorting to hoofing is more to do with Haynes being out than Yann coming in to be honest. The best football came with the target man Hulse and speedy gonzales Haynes as a pair, but as well as Hulse has done, Kermorgant is the more skilful player. Kermo/Haynes for me if both fit, Hulse off the bench with fifteen to go.

maybe_baby

thenewbie said:

I think the resorting to hoofing is more to do with Haynes being out than Yann coming in to be honest. The best football came with the target man Hulse and speedy gonzales Haynes as a pair, but as well as Hulse has done, Kermorgant is the more skilful player. Kermo/Haynes for me if both fit, Hulse off the bench with fifteen to go.

Agree, and thanks for saving me typing all that.

MeebaumAzanitch

thenewbie said:

I think the resorting to hoofing is more to do with Haynes being out than Yann coming in to be honest. The best football came with the target man Hulse and speedy gonzales Haynes as a pair, but as well as Hulse has done, Kermorgant is the more skilful player. Kermo/Haynes for me if both fit, Hulse off the bench with fifteen to go.

Agree.

cafctom

Let's see Yann and Haynes together - as I think that would be a great outlet for Yann's flick-ons and we'll reap the benefits of it a lot more.

Redskin

Hulse over Yann for me too. Yann is no more skillful than Hulse and is by no stretch of the imagination our best player.
As much as it pains me to say it,Yann looks overweight &unfit. I'm aware he's been injured but his input has been minimal at best.
I hope we keep Hulse, he's a worthy addition to the team.

O-Randy-Hunt

Yann and Haynes for me. But that's not knocking Hulse. I'm just a big fan of the kerminator.

I do agree though that we play more hoof with yann in the team but he can play on the deck so there's no need to hoof to him.

Redhenry

Hulse edges it for me although I love Kermo

cafctom

Redskin said:

As much as it pains me to say it,Yann looks overweight &unfit. I'm aware he's been injured but his input has been minimal at best.

A bit harsh considering had he not worked his nuts off to get himself fit then he would probably have still been out for another week or two.

Looked very lively to me against Peterborough and had a decent effect against Huddersfield when he came on.

You get the best of Yann when you give him a partner who compliments his skills effectively.

Some seem very quick to forget!

The Red Robin

I don't think Yann is the issue. It's not having Haynes in the team. We've played 'hoof ball' with Hulse and Fuller up top togetherer too.

kodfish

A bit harsh considering had he not worked his nuts off to get himself fit then he would probably have still been out for another week or two.

Looked very lively to me against Peterborough and had a decent effect against Huddersfield when he came on.

You get the best of Yann when you give him a partner who compliments his skills effectively.

Some seem very quick to forget!



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SuperCliveMendonca

O-Randy-Hunt said:

Yann and Haynes for me. But that's not knocking Hulse. I'm just a big fan of the kerminator.

I do agree though that we play more hoof with yann in the team but he can play on the deck so there's no need to hoof to him.

Agree

francis4england

i agree that we seem to hoof it to yann when he plays. Last season it worked with bwp running on to his flick on's but a step up and defences seem to deal with it quite easily. I however dont thinking dropping Yann is the answer. Yann is good with the ball at his feet, CP should be telling the defence and midfield not to hoof it up to him.

Hoofing it up to him is an option but try it occasionally not all the time as it rarely works

Redskin

cafctom said:

Redskin said:

As much as it pains me to say it,Yann looks overweight &unfit. I'm aware he's been injured but his input has been minimal at best.

A bit harsh considering had he not worked his nuts off to get himself fit then he would probably have still been out for another week or two.

Looked very lively to me against Peterborough and had a decent effect against Huddersfield when he came on.

You get the best of Yann when you give him a partner who compliments his skills effectively.

Some seem very quick to forget!

I appreciate my comment may have appeared harsh, that's why I said it pained to make it.
However,regardless of how hard he worked to come back from injury, he nevertheless looks overweight and unfit. At present, Hulse provides a far better option upfront.

I've forgotten nothing,but as the hackneyed old cliche goes, 'You're only as good as your last game.'

Yann knows that.

SuperCliveMendonca

francis4england said:

i agree that we seem to hoof it to yann when he plays. Last season it worked with bwp running on to his flick on's but a step up and defences seem to deal with it quite easily. I however dont thinking dropping Yann is the answer. Yann is good with the ball at his feet, CP should be telling the defence and midfield not to hoof it up to him.

Hoofing it up to him is an option but try it occasionally not all the time as it rarely works

IMO this didn't work, BWP would more often than not be no where near big Yann. He didn't make the appropriate 'runs' - I can't remember a goal BWP scored from his flick ons..at Home anyway..
Yann very good technically with his feet

sam3110

I actually think Yann, Haynes and BWP as a top three is a viable option, with Frimpong, Pritchard and Jackson as a narrow midfield 3.

I know it reads like a FIFA team, but Haynes and BWP have both played out wide before, and in this formation they would be given license to roam

mrbligh

Hulse and Haynes everyday for me. Best partnership we've had in a long time

LuckyReds

SuperCliveMendonca said:

francis4england said:

i agree that we seem to hoof it to yann when he plays. Last season it worked with bwp running on to his flick on's but a step up and defences seem to deal with it quite easily. I however dont thinking dropping Yann is the answer. Yann is good with the ball at his feet, CP should be telling the defence and midfield not to hoof it up to him.

Hoofing it up to him is an option but try it occasionally not all the time as it rarely works

IMO this didn't work, BWP would more often than not be no where near big Yann. He didn't make the appropriate 'runs' - I can't remember a goal BWP scored from his flick ons..at Home anyway..
Yann very good technically with his feet

Carlisle is the first one that springs to mind... If you look at the goals compilation videos on youtube I think you may be surprised how often it worked!

I agree its not the best policy though, and I even think it's the reason why we lose possession and go through phases of getting dominated at the moment. We hoof it up, lose the ball and the opposition just goes straight in to a counter-attack.

Greenie Junior

Mortimerician said:

He's our best player.

Not even close

Greenie Junior

I love yann but personally think he's over rated and looks out of his depth.

Like Semedo was in some ways, loved because of his commitment and strength but I just don't think he's good enough.

-Ducks for cover-

Kap10

Yann has definitely not been the dominant player of last season, but then he has been injured and prior to that like the rest of the team was coming to terms with the step up in class. We need to gove him a run in the team to really judge him.

Its nice to have Haynes, Hulse, Kermogant and Fuller which is a better stable of strikers than we have had for many years. We now need to make sure all four remain fit and we have the option of choosing which partnership we put out.

Mrbacon

Kermogant and Haynes is my front pair of choice.

BigRedEvil

When he was warming up yesterday he was feeling his ankle so probably not fully fit.

More than good enough for this league already has a few goals as well despite missing most of the season

red_murph

The man has busted his nuts to get back so quick. Clearly not yet fully fit and can't quite believe people are giving him stick.

How on earth people can say he is overrated and out of his depth is beyond me.

We have much bigger problems in the team than Yann, mainly the players that are meant to supply decent service into him and our other forwards.

He has a massive part to play for us this season.

Davo55

Yann just needs to build up his match fitness and get a run. I would play him up front with either Fuller or Haynes. Hulse is ok, but I would play one of our heroes over a loanee any day.

sm

I'd want to see what happens when we have our best full back/wide midfield combinations in place before working out the best striker combination - Solly and Wilson playing together on the right and Wiggins and Kerkar on the left will be a whole different and more exciting ball game.

sleepy_head

Love Yann to bits and I know it is pure coincidence but for all those who love a stat, we have conceded 1 goal leads when he came on as sub against Huddersfield and yesterday against Brighton, much to his annoyance.

Stig

Mixed feelings on this one; I don't think Yann has looked brilliant in the last couple of games, but to be fair he's just coming back from injury so we ought to cut him some slack.