Overrated Footballers

cafctom

I think the Rooney hate is 90% directed towards what he doesn/doesn't do for England and all the emotions that come with big tournaments.

Its no coincidence that United fans think he is brilliant. He is - a lot of England fans just have anti-climatic feelings after tournaments are done and he is usually the brunt of it all.

LawrieAbrahams

cafctom said:

I think the Rooney hate is 90% directed towards what he doesn/doesn't do for England and all the emotions that come with big tournaments.

Its no coincidence that United fans think he is brilliant. He is - a lot of England fans just have anti-climatic feelings after tournaments are done and he is usually the brunt of it all.

He is a good player but he is not world class, as pundits keep saying, and the same goes for the likes of Gerrard, Lampard and Beckham.

cafctom

Again, the whole "world class" thing confuses me. Do a lot of people actually understand what this term means?

A lot of people confuse it being with 'best of the best'. Its not. It means someone is good enough to take their trade around the world and be highly competent at it. Wayne Rooney would be at least reasonably successful in near enough every major league and wouldn't look out of place at any club in the world - even if he was on the bench for the likes of Barcelona or Madrid. So, by that definition, he is world class in my eyes.

colthe3rd

Tom, surely that's your opinion of what world class means

PassItToLeaburn

cafctom said:

Again, the whole "world class" thing confuses me. Do a lot of people actually understand what this term means?

A lot of people confuse it being with 'best of the best'. Its not. It means someone is good enough to take their trade around the world and be highly competent at it.

Not sure I'd agree with that, I don't think the geography of where you're able to ply your trade has anything to do with it - it's about being among the best in the world. Under your definition a lot of pretty average Premier league players would be 'world class' on the basis that they could also be 'highly competent' in La Liga, Serie A, the Bundesliga etc.

I would suggest that world class would mean that you were among the very best players in the world in your position - ie if you were putting 'world XI' together then a world class player should be in contention for a place, not merely sufficiently competent to play in multiple international leagues.

LenGlover

The thread title is overrated footballers.

Someone like Rooney is unquestionably very good but is he, and others like him, as great as the media would have us believe?

I_Saw_Semedo_Score

colthe3rd said:

Tom, surely that's your opinion of what world class means

Correct. As if there's a textbook definition for such a term.

kentaddick

I_Saw_Semedo_Score said:

colthe3rd said:

Tom, surely that's your opinion of what world class means

Correct. As if there's a textbook definition for such a term.

there should be a book giving detailed descriptions of words and small phrases. I would call it, the kentaddicktionary

colthe3rd

I_Saw_Semedo_Score said:

colthe3rd said:

Tom, surely that's your opinion of what world class means

Correct. As if there's a textbook definition for such a term.

I think there might be though

I_Saw_Semedo_Score

colthe3rd said:

I_Saw_Semedo_Score said:

colthe3rd said:

Tom, surely that's your opinion of what world class means

Correct. As if there's a textbook definition for such a term.

I think there might be though

Love to see it.

colthe3rd

I_Saw_Semedo_Score said:

colthe3rd said:

I_Saw_Semedo_Score said:

colthe3rd said:

Tom, surely that's your opinion of what world class means

Correct. As if there's a textbook definition for such a term.

I think there might be though

Love to see it.

http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/world-class

I_Saw_Semedo_Score

colthe3rd said:

I_Saw_Semedo_Score said:

colthe3rd said:

I_Saw_Semedo_Score said:

colthe3rd said:

Tom, surely that's your opinion of what world class means

Correct. As if there's a textbook definition for such a term.

I think there might be though

Love to see it.

http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/world-class

Still very broad/vague though don't you think? I mean where do you draw the line? What constitutes the necessary skill, for example.

ValleyGary

to be fair to Rooney, ITV over-rate everybody. Only football i watch in silence.

Woodsywood

ValleyGary said:

to be fair to Rooney, ITV over-rate everybody. Only football i watch in silence.

and when you are at the valley

Stone

Cheick Tiote

bertpalmer

harry cripps

ValleyGary

Arjen Robben

Watching him last night, Evra had a mare. The bloke comes inside onto his left foot every single time. A better defender would show him down the line and he would be cack.

stonewallpenalty

ValleyGary said:

Arjen Robben

Watching him last night, Evra had a mare. The bloke comes inside onto his left foot every single time. A better defender would show him down the line and he would be cack.

So much easier said than done, VG.

ValleyGary

stonewallpenalty said:

ValleyGary said:

Arjen Robben

Watching him last night, Evra had a mare. The bloke comes inside onto his left foot every single time. A better defender would show him down the line and he would be cack.

So much easier said than done, VG.

ha agree mate, but Evra didn't even shape up to do it. Was driving me mad.

kentaddick

ValleyGary said:

Arjen Robben

Watching him last night, Evra had a mare. The bloke comes inside onto his left foot every single time. A better defender would show him down the line and he would be cack.

world defences have been trying for about a decade. He's that good he can keep doing the same thing again and again.

Ribery is overrated for me, always been touted as one of the best wingers in the world but everytime i see him he's been lame.

CAFCBourne

Kolarov beyond me what they see in him defensively inept and going forward hits everything 100mph

Absurdistan

Ribery and Robben overated. You guys are havin' a larf.

dabos

ValleyGary said:

Arjen Robben

Watching him last night, Evra had a mare. The bloke comes inside onto his left foot every single time. A better defender would show him down the line and he would be cack.

Evra has tried that against him before, and Robben destroyed him all night. Just doesn't work. You have to give him so much space down the line that he just dribbles round the full back that way instead.

Dave2l

if only united had evina.

NeedMoreGrass

Most England due to media hype but particularly Rooney. How United fans put up with him after he mugged them twice I'll never know.

cafcnick1992

I don't think I've ever seen Ribery have a good game

Lazy_eye_metaphor

Wilshere without a doubt

crookester

Agree that Robben is overrated, Harriot works much better as an inverted winger. In fact, the whole Bayern team are overrated.....I mean, what have they ever won? :-)

cafcnick1992

You haven't proved anything until you've won League One

grumpyaddick

Ashley Young

The rest of Man Utd's first 11 (except van Persie)