I hope this does eventually have an ending where we know what happens and they weren't all just "in heaven/dead" like in *Spoiler Alert* Lost.
Do we have any idea how many more seasons they are planning?
They were only dead or in heaven in half of the last season of Lost.
Robert Kirkman said he has about a 200 issue target for the comics and they're on 160ish. That's another 3 years of comics. What we are seeing now is around issue 100 so with comic stories they could probably do another 4/5 series.
They have also said that it could be a show that never ends and just goes and goes.
I look forward to the moment Rick kills negan .... assuming something like that is on the cards.
The negan character doesn't really add up for me. George clooney look a like having that much power over a load of people that could easily just plan to overthrow him and brush him aside. Just one man, unlikely to have people that actually like him.
He must have a back story.....otherwise he's a bit like Roland, doesn't make sense.
I hope this does eventually have an ending where we know what happens and they weren't all just "in heaven/dead" like in *Spoiler Alert* Lost.
Do we have any idea how many more seasons they are planning?
Three seasons into Lost, the show-runners went to the ABC studio bosses and negotiated an end date. They couldn't tease audiences forever and were running out of story to tell. They agreed on 48 episodes and worked towards an ending (and arguably needed more to get the story right).
You can see this in the writing of the show: they locked up characters in cages to represent how they felt as writers, and the second Naomi arrives in the crashed helicopter, is the moment the story was allowed to begin it's big finish etc.
The Walking Dead has had half a dozen show-runners now, as they get fired or quit every year, with each one taking it in a different direction.
It's planned one season at a time (with the comics providing a fairly safe structure to stick to). It won't have an end date because the property makes so much money, and gets renewed every year when the season premiere does big numbers.
Interestingly, the show nearly didn't get this far. Frank Darabont (director of The Shawshank Redemption and The Green Mile) was largely responsible for getting TWD onto TV. He had a small budget, and called in favours from his friends (including cast members) and, to everyone's surprise, the show was a huge hit.
So the following year, AMC doubled the episode order, but crucially, they kept the budget the same.
To keep the show going, Darabont and his friends took pay cuts, got really inventive with the source material (which was butchered by AMC anyway) and... Frank got fired immediately after receiving a hero's ovation at Comic Con.
AMC kept the actors (who were now on tiny pay deals thanks to Frank) and churned out more seasons using less-qualified show-runners. What they did to Darabont was disgraceful, and they're incredibly fortunate to have a property that's still making so much damn money.
My problem at the moment is he'd work far better as a small part of Rick's group rather than the big bad. They're trying to hard to get us to drop our guard with him so he can do something horrible soon. They showed a little glimpse of it when his face changed when he heard the gunshot but that's not really enough to make him scary. They really want us to see him and Ezekiel as two sides of the same coin in their showmanship but as it's The Walking Dead they're going to spend 300 episodes doing it and drag it out as long as possible. Considering we've still got the Hilltop to check in with this it'll be half the series before any storyline progress is actually made.
Feels like a series that would work better in binge form at the moment. Waiting a whole week to shift the story millimetres is a bit depressing
Probably the best point ever made about the entirety of the Walking Dead!
It's varied as it's gone really. The prison series and the walk to Terminus were great to watch week by week as there was real story progress being made and you actually looked forward to seeing what would happen next. Series 2 though was so dull week on week that I stopped watching the show altogether until I binge watched it and could actually appreciate it at my own pacing. The eternal search for Sophia isn't that bad when you can watch it all in two days. Having to wait a week to see the fallout from Beth in the hospital really made it sink in more though, and the Woodbury raid sections were great split up a bit. The major problem is they need to decide on what the pacing of the show is. Going from laborious to breakneck just doesn't work for anyone.
I think part of the problem is this mid-season finale bullshit. They feel like they have to store up moments in the arc to have a big blow out in the middle of the series for some ridiculous reason.
Doesn't feel like it is going anywhere. Is the season finale next week? Be good if there was a netflix-esque episode dump so you felt there was some substance to it. I'm still watching it, along with millions of others, so it can't be that bad.
I was so far behind that I binge watched all of the series until 7. Now I am watching week by week I am not enjoying it. I might just store them up, avoid spoilers as much as possible and binge it. Mondays Episode was so boring I fell asleep
I actually thought the episode itself was quite good, but because it's been preceded by five episodes of static nothing it just felt like another step back. The first episode set the scene, and since then we're still waiting for the narrative to actually move on. We get it; there are other settlements being subjugated by Negan. One has sustainable food. One has a comedic number of guns. One has the numbers and a charismatic leader. Our group has Rick to run the show. I think we all get that if these groups came together they could fight Negan, but there's no excuse for it taking five episodes and that not actually being mentioned yet. You could have introduced The Kingdom and Oceanside in the same episode, and we could have checked in with the four good settlements a couple of times in five episodes, felt like there was some progression. Instead we get an episode that mostly took place in the past.
Also, if fucking Tara can find you, you've not hidden very well.
The show and the comic have never been about why it happened, and shouldn't bother with that either IMO. When they do, you know they've run out of ideas.
Petrol can last in a tank for about 10 months before turning to gloop. And there would be almost no zombies left after 1-2 years either (source) and we're in year seven or so!
I honestly think the show has run its course. There aren't too many more stories to tell in that world, but it's a cash cow being milked dry.
I've pretty much given up on this show to be honest. I'm just considering deleting all the episodes I've got stacked up on the tele box.
The first episode really made me stop and think about what is regarded as entertainment these days, the screwed up double standards of TV and why the US seems to be such an angry and violent country. They can show a pornographic level of violence as somebody graphically gets their brains beaten to a pulp but somehow they're not permitted to say the word 'fuck' or show a woman with no shirt on.
The show and the comic have never been about why it happened, and shouldn't bother with that either IMO. When they do, you know they've run out of ideas.
Petrol can last in a tank for about 10 months before turning to gloop. And there would be almost no zombies left after 1-2 years either (source) and we're in year seven or so!
I honestly think the show has run its course. There aren't too many more stories to tell in that world, but it's a cash cow being milked dry.
In a fairness there are not many Walkers left in the show now. it's very rare that a large group appear any more.
the issue with petrol, however, is more of a deal breaker.
Ultimately, however, you are right they will ignore any and all rules of science because the show is so profitable.
Also, they need to drag out the introduction of the new characters as unless they have enough screen time their death will not be significant. Bringing on new characters only for them to be killed off straight away is like a cheat so they need to kill of the longer serving characters, and as they do they need replacing. Abraham still seemed new to me yet he'd been in for a couple of years. Glen, on the other hand....
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As an aside, have I used 'program' in the right context here or should it be 'programme'
Do we have any idea how many more seasons they are planning?
Robert Kirkman said he has about a 200 issue target for the comics and they're on 160ish. That's another 3 years of comics. What we are seeing now is around issue 100 so with comic stories they could probably do another 4/5 series.
They have also said that it could be a show that never ends and just goes and goes.
The negan character doesn't really add up for me. George clooney look a like having that much power over a load of people that could easily just plan to overthrow him and brush him aside.
Just one man, unlikely to have people that actually like him.
He must have a back story.....otherwise he's a bit like Roland, doesn't make sense.
You can see this in the writing of the show: they locked up characters in cages to represent how they felt as writers, and the second Naomi arrives in the crashed helicopter, is the moment the story was allowed to begin it's big finish etc.
The Walking Dead has had half a dozen show-runners now, as they get fired or quit every year, with each one taking it in a different direction.
It's planned one season at a time (with the comics providing a fairly safe structure to stick to). It won't have an end date because the property makes so much money, and gets renewed every year when the season premiere does big numbers.
Interestingly, the show nearly didn't get this far. Frank Darabont (director of The Shawshank Redemption and The Green Mile) was largely responsible for getting TWD onto TV. He had a small budget, and called in favours from his friends (including cast members) and, to everyone's surprise, the show was a huge hit.
So the following year, AMC doubled the episode order, but crucially, they kept the budget the same.
To keep the show going, Darabont and his friends took pay cuts, got really inventive with the source material (which was butchered by AMC anyway) and... Frank got fired immediately after receiving a hero's ovation at Comic Con.
AMC kept the actors (who were now on tiny pay deals thanks to Frank) and churned out more seasons using less-qualified show-runners. What they did to Darabont was disgraceful, and they're incredibly fortunate to have a property that's still making so much damn money.
I think part of the problem is this mid-season finale bullshit. They feel like they have to store up moments in the arc to have a big blow out in the middle of the series for some ridiculous reason.
Been done with life on Mars I know but he and we knew he was in a coma.
I have to agree with this so far
Set it's bar high
I am now.
Was a filla episode.
Highlighted just how much the saviours are powerful in numbers but tossers etc.
It's quite one dimensional at the moment though.
You've just got groups, planted around different particular locations.
Each group is somewhat negans bitch.
Apart from the last group we saw in the episode, of women that ran away and are now untraceable to no one but Tara.
The saviours screwed them over and killed lot of em previously though.
What's clear is that, simply if negan died and negan number 2 died....that would be a step forward.
A new narrative needs to awaken.
I know the show follows the comic book, of which I've never read, but....
I want a theme where someone says and perhaps explains why....
All of a sudden, there are zombies. Walking dead.
What's the science behind it. WHY the hell did it happen to begin with.
Also, if fucking Tara can find you, you've not hidden very well.
I'd also like to know how, presumably years after the world falls apart, there still seems to be an endless supply of bullets and petrol.
Petrol can last in a tank for about 10 months before turning to gloop. And there would be almost no zombies left after 1-2 years either (source) and we're in year seven or so!
I honestly think the show has run its course. There aren't too many more stories to tell in that world, but it's a cash cow being milked dry.
The first episode really made me stop and think about what is regarded as entertainment these days, the screwed up double standards of TV and why the US seems to be such an angry and violent country. They can show a pornographic level of violence as somebody graphically gets their brains beaten to a pulp but somehow they're not permitted to say the word 'fuck' or show a woman with no shirt on.
the issue with petrol, however, is more of a deal breaker.
Ultimately, however, you are right they will ignore any and all rules of science because the show is so profitable.
But not much. Terrible half series.