Don't know what Pards has done to him in the past!
It just seems so at odds with how Pards comes across at Charlton - as a pretty strong disciplinarian and very capable of building team spirit. Maybe he's learnt from his mistakes.
There could be something in how the young players have developed, but maybe he's just an old pal of Curbs doing his bit to defend him, and doesn't want to admit that they got their tactics wrong last week.
Can't really see someone like Matt Holland becoming part of a 'yob culture', while it's interesting to see Sheringham in the tabloids every day after leaving another club at 3am.
As for saying that Mullins allowed Song to dominate that area of the pitch, maybe it's just because he's a better player than him!
Appears from the bottom line of the article that Stewart Robson has similar level coaching badges to Les Reed, so while he can also no doubt talk a good game...
It si clear from some of his initial signings that pards does like shall we say "competitive players" similar to his own style when he was playing. I think its an interesting article and there is always a thin line between team spirit and going over the top. Get it right and you can end up like bolton and blackburn so it is worth taking a risk. Personally i think the kind of players already at the club seem a bit to light weight to go to far in the wrong direction.
[cite]Posted By: Weegie Addick[/cite] Maybe he's learnt from his mistakes.
Weegie, I think this is probably right.
From my perspective, it's very easy to lump on the "Curbs bad, Pard's good" bandwagon which is currently rolling. I don't subscribe to that whatsoever. Curbs learned his trade over 15 years. You don't become bad overnight. Pards on the other hand is a relative newcomer and something fairly grim has developed at the Hamsters this season.
Whether its all Pards fault is difficult to assess but judging by his reaction last Saturday and his comments about his closeness to the players there might suggest a relationship which was too friendly.
He is a bright bloke and he'll know in his heart of hearts what went wrong. I am sure that he will have taken on board lessons for the future and in my view this will be greatly to Charltons advantage because for what I can see, he's got pretty much everything else right about him.
[cite]Posted By: Latimer[/cite]Bing...what about the platform Pardew built at Reading? He has been around for quite a while
Yes I was thinking about that myself. I did say "relative newcomer". He never quite made it with Reading although he clearly laid down an excellent foundation. There was huge pressure on Pards to get West Ham up and keep them up. Last year things went swimingly well, better than most expected including him I would think. Perhaps he just allowed himself to savour the success a little too much and the players were over indulged. What is clear is that something went wrong and it was on his watch.
Hey look I have been mightily impressed with him since he has joined us. (I was also an admirer in his West Ham days). Only fools don't learn from their mistakes and he is definitely no fool. I think Charlton suits him as a club where he can be the big "I am". It was a fantastic stroke of luck that he became available and West Hams loss is definitely our gain.
Stewart Robson, who has he ever managed then? Oh, that's right, nobody.
Fact is that when Pards left they were playing poorly but still well in touch with the pack but since they sacked him they have just got worse and worse.
Pardew did a fantastic job at Reading and was really unlucky no to get them to the Premiership, did really well under enormous pressure at West Ham and now with us he has P9 W3 D2 L4 (against Chelsea, Arsenal and Man Utd). He has also revolutionised the squad with some very shrewd dealings, despite having little funding.
Unless I am very much mistaken the bloke is a very talented manager who was foolishly sacked far too early by his previous employers.
[cite]Posted By: Latimer[/cite]Bing...what about the platform Pardew built at Reading? He has been around for quite a while
Yes I was thinking about that myself. I did say "relative newcomer". He never quite made it with Reading although he clearly laid down an excellent foundation. There was huge pressure on Pards to get West Ham up and keep them up. Last year things went swimingly well, better than most expected including him I would think. Perhaps he just allowed himself to savour the success a little too much and the players were over indulged. What is clear is that something went wrong and it was on his watch.
Hey look I have been mightily impressed with him since he has joined us. (I was also an admirer in his West Ham days). Only fools don't learn from their mistakes and he is definitely no fool. I think Charlton suits him as a club where he can be the big "I am". It was a fantastic stroke of luck that he became available and West Hams loss is definitely our gain.
Bing,
He got the Hampster job because of the excellent work he did at Reading.
The Reading fans were brassed off with the way he jumped ship at the time.
He got the Hampster job because of the excellent work he did at Reading.
The Reading fans were brassed off with the way he jumped ship at the time.
I totally agree that he did a great job at Reading, the point was that he never got them up. I've been extremely impressed with Pards and I'm not looking to knock him. All I am saying is that he was the manager at West Ham when things went wrong and some of the things that have now come out suggest a lack of player discipline for which he must bear some responsibility. I re-iterate that I think he will have learned from this and it will make him an even better manager. This has to be to our advantage.
[cite]Posted By: Ormiston Addick[/cite]Stewart Robson, who has he ever managed then? Oh, that's right, nobody.
Fact is that when Pards left they were playing poorly but still well in touch with the pack but since they sacked him they have just got worse and worse.
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Wasn't Stewart Robson once manager at.......Brentford?
Fact is, that before Pards came we were playing poorly and virtually out of touch with the pack......but since he joined us, we have just got better and better.
[cite]Posted By: Ormiston Addick[/cite]Stewart Robson, who has he ever managed then? Oh, that's right, nobody.
Fact is that when Pards left they were playing poorly but still well in touch with the pack but since they sacked him they have just got worse and worse.
Pardew did a fantastic job at Reading and was really unlucky no to get them to the Premiership, did really well under enormous pressure at West Ham and now with us he has P9 W3 D2 L4 (against Chelsea, Arsenal and Man Utd). He has also revolutionised the squad with some very shrewd dealings, despite having little funding.
Unless I am very much mistaken the bloke is a very talented manager who was foolishly sacked far too early by his previous employers.
I thought he was a top bloke before he came and he has impressed me hugely since his arrival.
I just think that Robson is probably right that he failed to deal with the malaise at West Ham from which they have suffered both when he was there and since he's gone. I also think that Eggy was too hasty in getting rid of him as he was probably capable of sorting the problems out.
At the end of the day it's just a view. What is certain is the West Ham have lost an excellent manager and we have benefited hugely by getting him at our club when, frankly, all was doom and gloom and we stood virtually no chance of beating the drop. Now we're in with a fighting chance.
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It just seems so at odds with how Pards comes across at Charlton - as a pretty strong disciplinarian and very capable of building team spirit. Maybe he's learnt from his mistakes.
Can't really see someone like Matt Holland becoming part of a 'yob culture', while it's interesting to see Sheringham in the tabloids every day after leaving another club at 3am.
As for saying that Mullins allowed Song to dominate that area of the pitch, maybe it's just because he's a better player than him!
Appears from the bottom line of the article that Stewart Robson has similar level coaching badges to Les Reed, so while he can also no doubt talk a good game...
Alan Pardew's red and white army!
Weegie, I think this is probably right.
From my perspective, it's very easy to lump on the "Curbs bad, Pard's good" bandwagon which is currently rolling. I don't subscribe to that whatsoever. Curbs learned his trade over 15 years. You don't become bad overnight. Pards on the other hand is a relative newcomer and something fairly grim has developed at the Hamsters this season.
Whether its all Pards fault is difficult to assess but judging by his reaction last Saturday and his comments about his closeness to the players there might suggest a relationship which was too friendly.
He is a bright bloke and he'll know in his heart of hearts what went wrong. I am sure that he will have taken on board lessons for the future and in my view this will be greatly to Charltons advantage because for what I can see, he's got pretty much everything else right about him.
Yes I was thinking about that myself. I did say "relative newcomer". He never quite made it with Reading although he clearly laid down an excellent foundation. There was huge pressure on Pards to get West Ham up and keep them up. Last year things went swimingly well, better than most expected including him I would think. Perhaps he just allowed himself to savour the success a little too much and the players were over indulged. What is clear is that something went wrong and it was on his watch.
Hey look I have been mightily impressed with him since he has joined us. (I was also an admirer in his West Ham days). Only fools don't learn from their mistakes and he is definitely no fool. I think Charlton suits him as a club where he can be the big "I am". It was a fantastic stroke of luck that he became available and West Hams loss is definitely our gain.
Fact is that when Pards left they were playing poorly but still well in touch with the pack but since they sacked him they have just got worse and worse.
Pardew did a fantastic job at Reading and was really unlucky no to get them to the Premiership, did really well under enormous pressure at West Ham and now with us he has P9 W3 D2 L4 (against Chelsea, Arsenal and Man Utd). He has also revolutionised the squad with some very shrewd dealings, despite having little funding.
Unless I am very much mistaken the bloke is a very talented manager who was foolishly sacked far too early by his previous employers.
Bing,
He got the Hampster job because of the excellent work he did at Reading.
The Reading fans were brassed off with the way he jumped ship at the time.
I totally agree that he did a great job at Reading, the point was that he never got them up. I've been extremely impressed with Pards and I'm not looking to knock him. All I am saying is that he was the manager at West Ham when things went wrong and some of the things that have now come out suggest a lack of player discipline for which he must bear some responsibility. I re-iterate that I think he will have learned from this and it will make him an even better manager. This has to be to our advantage.
Wasn't Stewart Robson once manager at.......Brentford?
Fact is, that before Pards came we were playing poorly and virtually out of touch with the pack......but since he joined us, we have just got better and better.
Reading? West Ham?
Dunno. But he's somehow turning Charlton round!
I thought he was a top bloke before he came and he has impressed me hugely since his arrival.
I just think that Robson is probably right that he failed to deal with the malaise at West Ham from which they have suffered both when he was there and since he's gone. I also think that Eggy was too hasty in getting rid of him as he was probably capable of sorting the problems out.
At the end of the day it's just a view. What is certain is the West Ham have lost an excellent manager and we have benefited hugely by getting him at our club when, frankly, all was doom and gloom and we stood virtually no chance of beating the drop. Now we're in with a fighting chance.
"......now we're in with a fighting chance."
C'MON YOU ADDICKS !!!!