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PUT SOMEBODY ON THE LINE - It isn't e=mc2

edited October 2012 in General Charlton
I was shouting before their free kick - PUT SOMEBODY ON THE LINE as I guess were quite a few others. This isn't a specific criticism of Sir Chris - as so few managers do it, but one thing I don't like about football is the arrogance that managers have that they know best all of the time. They generally do of course, but this is one area where they don't and it is about time they listened to people who do - like me and probably most on here I suspect. Why can I say that? - simple statistics- that's why. Under Curbs we played 8 years in the Pemiership and conceeded a goal to one free kick - a sublime joy of an effort from a Thierry Henry at the top of his game - my god- 8 years! You don't have to be Stephen Hawking todo the maths and work out the pattern FFS.

I know Sir Chris was asked about this last season and he said he left that choice to his keeper. I think he needs to pick up the phone and have a chat with Curbs and reconsider this policy. Come on - it isn't rocket science.......thank god!
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  • Said to TelMc32, they would score the freekick. Hamer has to responsibility for the goal, he placed the wall, the thing was it was about 1 1/2ft inside the post.
  • whats the percentage of free kicks that go in from that distance?

    surely if you put a man on the line then the opposition are no longer offside, can stand where they want and you'll have a blind sighted goalkeeper.

    every level of football from prem to sunday league has a wall and the rest are level with the wall. this leaves it down to the goalkeeper to line-up and stand in the correct position. if he's beaten then its either his fault or a simblime strike.

    cant see it changing anytime soon.
  • So what happened under Curbs then? Were we just winning the lottery scale fortunate?
  • Said to TelMc32, they would score the freekick. Hamer has to responsibility for the goal, he placed the wall, the thing was it was about 1 1/2ft inside the post.

    The Watford Wall was exactly where the Charlton one should have been. Funnily enough, their one melted away the second the ball was struck.

  • Totally with you Muttley , was shouting the same thing.
  • edited October 2012

    So what happened under Curbs then? Were we just winning the lottery scale fortunate?

    pretty sure other teams tried adopting the same approach and it didnt work. there was defo a short spell where a few teams were doing it and it stopped.

    im not knocking the idea, its just that football teams/managers all over the world mainly adopt a wall only policy so there must be a reason for that.

    if we done it last night and their players were standing near hamer then id imagine 15,000 people would have been screaming for our players to get out!
  • edited October 2012

    ...its just that football teams/managers all over the world mainly adopt a wall only policy so there must be a reason for that...

    I suspect it's because you don't want too many attackers wandering around your box unmarked. Outside of quantum physics (see what I did there), you can't be in two places at the same time. You can't have a wall and put people on the line and mark all of the opposition; something has to give.

  • Well you certainly can if you have an extra man. But it isn't about that - it is about facts- we operated that system against the best players in the world - and lost only one goal in 8 years!!!
  • Sometimes you just have to doth your cap, and say it was a good goal, which it was last night.
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  • that is the outlook that frustrates me - an avoidable goal isn't a good one- even if the taker does deserve credit.
  • In my opinion you have to give your keeper the maximum possible chance of making a save. That means not having several players right in his eyeline or players getting in his way.

    Last night he didn't save it. If that was down to his wall then thats something he can correct going forwards. If it was down to quality of free kick then there's not much he can do about it.

    The reason we lost last night was not down to not having a player on the line. It was down to not scoring when we were clearly on top. That's what we need to adjust.
  • could the 8 years and conceding only 1 not just be co-incidence? think i would have to sit down and watch all the free kicks we had in that time and the effect having a man on the line did.

    if we put a man on the line and everyone was inside the box, crowding out hamer, the player took it, it took a couple of deflections and then went in, there would be a hell of a lot more people on here complaining about staying level with the wall and let only a world class free kick beat us.
  • I'm absolutely amazed we still haven't learnt our lesson about putting a man on the line. We have an extra man than them, why not use it?!
  • Powell should demand we have a player on the line is my option on the matter
  • Said to TelMc32, they would score the freekick. Hamer has to responsibility for the goal, he placed the wall, the thing was it was about 1 1/2ft inside the post.

    As I haven't seen a replay (and sit along the side) that sounds like it should have been saved, as it didn't look it it went into the unsavable part of the top corner?
  • Th eproblem is that it was hit with pace - Hamer's positioning was fine as he had to cover the whole goal but the ball didn't need to go in that perfect place. Warwick Davis could have headed it clear!
  • But how many goals were scored when the free kick fell to one of the players in the penalty area played onside by bloke on the goal line?

    When you have the bloke there, you get the oppo coming in, the player on the post then moves back out, they do likewise and then they keep going back and forth.
  • that is the outlook that frustrates me - an avoidable goal isn't a good one- even if the taker does deserve credit.

    Almost as frustrating is the search for someone to blame

  • Firstly, I'd stake my life on us conceding more than one goal from a direct free kick under Curbs so not sure of the relevence of the comparison.

    Secondly, we would also have had Deano in goal so again apples and pears.

    Thirdly, as others have said, few teams do this today, prefering to leave the keeper to deal with it.

    Lastly, all managers have their own ideas which we agree or not with. Curbs for example used to defend with 11 men in the box. Used to drive me mad that he wouldn't leave Dennis for example up top! I don't think it's arrogance though. CP has a idea how he wants to defend set pieces just as Curbs did and he will learn, adapt, and get better accordingly imo.
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  • Why didn't Powell let hamer go upfront at the end either?
  • Th eproblem is that it was hit with pace - Hamer's positioning was fine as he had to cover the whole goal but the ball didn't need to go in that perfect place. Warwick Davis could have headed it clear!

    None -that you could say were a direct result of the free kick. I am not including swung in free kicks of course - just the central ones.
  • Firstly, I'd stake my life on us conceding more than one goal from a direct free kick under Curbs so not sure of the relevence of the comparison.

    Secondly, we would also have had Deano in goal so again apples and pears.

    Thirdly, as others have said, few teams do this today, prefering to leave the keeper to deal with it.

    Lastly, all managers have their own ideas which we agree or not with. Curbs for example used to defend with 11 men in the box. Used to drive me mad that he wouldn't leave Dennis for example up top! I don't think it's arrogance though. CP has a idea how he wants to defend set pieces just as Curbs did and he will learn, adapt, and get better accordingly imo.

    Don't stake your life on it Bournemouth - you seem a decent bloke.

  • Was a good goal but with 3 Watford players on the other side of the wall it was always going to be put in that corner

    Elliott would have saved it :)
  • edited October 2012
    If you were in the East stand C block you would've heard me perfectly predict what Watford were doing at the free kick. I always scream put someone on the line, Bartlett was great at it and Yann would probably be even better.

    When I was a goal keeper I put a man on each post and I didn't concede a free kick in my four years of playing as keeper. I fairness most of them went miles over that bar but still I think its much more sensible to put a man on the line than risk it like yesterday.
  • The argument that you have a man on the line plays everyone onside can be negated by that player standing behind the goal line till the ball is kicked. if the ball goes to the other side of the goal, that player stays 'off ' the field.
  • And get booked for leaving the field of play without permission.....
  • ozaddick said:

    The argument that you have a man on the line plays everyone onside can be negated by that player standing behind the goal line till the ball is kicked. if the ball goes to the other side of the goal, that player stays 'off ' the field.

    but by the letter of the law isnt the player not allowed back onto the field of play until given permission by the ref? so if he's in the goal and the ball is going in that corner then he cant come forward and clear?
  • MrOneLung said:

    And get booked for leaving the field of play without permission.....

    True- that would be deemed unsporting conduct.
  • Hmm good points but what if the keeper walks into his goal to use his towel or get his bottle. Would he be booked
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